Frenkie de Jong

All players bar Kounde registered.

They need to free up some wages to sign him
 
Weird that they wouldn't register there €60m signing before some of the free transfers.
 
I think they tried to.

I guess if they want Silva they still need to sell
 
IDFD said:
Weird that they wouldn't register there €60m signing before some of the free transfers.
Click to expand...

The free signing are a lot easier to register than a guy with a transfer fee i guess.

Surprised they registered Rafinha over Kounde as their defence is awful.
 
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
For now it's for the best as we don't want to sign players under duress.
 
I hope he stays and makes them pay every last penny of that contract.
 
I think it was over about 13 weeks ago wasn't it... seriously though that's a massive failing for the club. Not a good look for them at all at the start of a supposed new era.
 
Seen photos of FDJ getting on a plane, the report says flight to London
 
Apparently travelling to Donny van de Beek's wedding. I'd expect Fergie to meet him at the airport with an open boot...Berbatov style.
 
If the reports of him being on 700k a week this are correct I think he's outside of every clubs wage structure.

Probably makes him the best paid player in the world this season.
 
jsp said:
If the reports of him being on 700k a week this are correct I think he's outside of every clubs wage structure.

Probably makes him the best paid player in the world this season.
Click to expand...
That is beyond insane. I cannot wait until the shell game that is FC Barcelona falls apart. Over 1bn in debt from signing players they cannot afford. Mortgaging their future for short term 'success.' They need to go to the wall for this.
 
Cruella ne Ville said:
That is beyond insane. I cannot wait until the shell game that is FC Barcelona falls apart. Over 1bn in debt from signing players they cannot afford. Mortgaging their future for short term 'success.' They need to go to the wall for this.
Click to expand...

The thing is for a club like Barca to get out of this hole the only way is to spend because if they don't they become less competitive and if you're less competitive all the revenues from competition/sponsors start to drop. Just look at a club like Milan in a few years they went from European royalty to nowhere could argue same is happening to us at the moment and Arsenal are trying to get their foot back in the door.

So this one last roll of the dice move is pretty much the only option they had to get out of this hole they need to be a champions league side who are reaching the later knockout rounds.

It's just like the gamble Leeds and Rangers made the problem is when you don't hit those targets the penalties are massive as you can only spend that money once. On paper I'd say they've spent it pretty well.
 
Not sure you can spend your way out of debt, and even if you could, any additional revenue the club would get from winning the league/progressing in the CL would be outstripped by putting players on 700k/week.

Not sure how accurate this is, but:
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.


They've always had massive debt even when they were winning trebles. The revenues are growing but can't keep up with the outgoings in wages and transfer fees.
 
Cruella ne Ville said:
Not sure you can spend your way out of debt, and even if you could, any additional revenue the club would get from winning the league/progressing in the CL would be outstripped by putting players on 700k/week.

They've always had massive debt even when they were winning trebles. The revenues are growing but can't keep up with the outgoings in wages and transfer fees.
Click to expand...

The 700k a week is slightly misleading for this season as this season and next is where they “pay back” the deferred wages from the last 2 seasons.

The pre Covid spending was ridiculous all those panic buys post Neymar plus Messi’s crazy salary meant they were spending a ridiculous amount on wages. They had revenues close to €1bn at one point and were still losing money.

They have got that back under some control the new players have all agreed reasonable wages none of them are the sort of salaries that were paid under the previous president. Lewendowski is reported to be on €360k a week which is big money but not crazy money.

I think this is their 1 shot to rebuild a side this summer next summer they won’t be as active in the market as the money is gone.
 
jsp said:
The 700k a week is slightly misleading for this season as this season and next is where they “pay back” the deferred wages from the last 2 seasons.
Click to expand...
That'd make a bit more sense, but it's still outlandish.
jsp said:
The pre Covid spending was ridiculous all those panic buys post Neymar plus Messi’s crazy salary meant they were spending a ridiculous amount on wages. They had revenues close to €1bn at one point and were still losing money.
Click to expand...
That's exactly why I have no sympathy for them. They created this debt, and the overinflated transfer market by spunking 140m on Coutinho and Dembele and giving them stupid wages.
jsp said:
They have got that back under some control the new players have all agreed reasonable wages none of them are the sort of salaries that were paid under the previous president. Lewendowski is reported to be on €360k a week which is big money but not crazy money.

I think this is their 1 shot to rebuild a side this summer next summer they won’t be as active in the market as the money is gone.
Click to expand...
Is 360k the way forward though? I'd think that's more treading water at best, but their ego is so big they feel the need to pretend that they're able to keep up with the Joneses that are the petrol clubs. Invest in the academy. Buy and develop young players with sell on values from South America who always seem to dream of Barca, and start selling to the English and petrol clubs who have more money than sense. If those players are any good they'll end up back anyway (Pique anyone.)
 
Cruella ne Ville said:
That'd make a bit more sense, but it's still outlandish.

That's exactly why I have no sympathy for them. They created this debt, and the overinflated transfer market by spunking 140m on Coutinho and Dembele and giving them stupid wages.

Is 360k the way forward though? I'd think that's more treading water at best, but their ego is so big they feel the need to pretend that they're able to keep up with the Joneses that are the petrol clubs. Invest in the academy. Buy and develop young players with sell on values from South America who always seem to dream of Barca, and start selling to the English and petrol clubs who have more money than sense. If those players are any good they'll end up back anyway (Pique anyone.)
Click to expand...

Well in PedrI, Gavi and Fati they have the 3 most talented young Spanish players 2 came from the academy and one was signed for a pretty reasonable fee at a young age. The plan seems to be to rebuild around them.

Guess the way the modern game is now if you don’t have that star power people won’t watch but players will always want to sign for Barcelona as it has that pulling power and that is why De Jong was so desperate to stay.

They we’re just an example of how badly it can all go wrong when you become obsessed with the star names over having a proper plan. They got big decisions wrong time after time and every year Messi came back asking for more money and when he gets more money everyone else wants a bit more money.

Thing is the way they’re structured means you can just leave the mess for the next president to sort out you aren’t personally liable for the mess.
 
Building from the academy and developing those types of players makes sense to me. Being one of the highest spenders in Europe doesn't.

I don't think clubs like Barca/Madrid/United/Liverpool need stars. Their best players become stars, and the 'storylines' write themselves, but each incoming president wants to outdo his predecessor and ego plays a large part in the decision making process. Haven't watched lately, but usually the election is won by whichever candidate can promise the largest transfers, which just exacerbates the problem.
 
Cruella ne Ville said:
Building from the academy and developing those types of players makes sense to me. Being one of the highest spenders in Europe doesn't.

I don't think clubs like Barca/Madrid/United/Liverpool need stars. Their best players become stars, and the 'storylines' write themselves, but each incoming president wants to outdo his predecessor and ego plays a large part in the decision making process. Haven't watched lately, but usually the election is won by whichever candidate can promise the largest transfers, which just exacerbates the problem.
Click to expand...

How true is that really?

Liverpool have 1 academy player who regularly appears in their first team. TAA
Madrid have 1 in Carvajal
Utd have 1 in Rashford.
Barca have 2 in Gavi and Pique.

These clubs will always spend big money they have to they're not for profit and they bring in huge revenues every year so they are almost forced to spend it but Barca just had a really bad spell. The Neymar thing rocked them big time and at the same time it seemed to unsettle Messi and they went into a panic mode trying to buy their way back to the top but nothing worked.

Your academy can be an important part of your squad but it's very rare that you get a group of them all appear at the same time like Utd did with the class of 92 or Barca did during the 00's but really that was two generations in quick success. You had Puyol/Xavi/Valdes quickly followed by Pique/Fabregas/Messi/Pedro with Iniesta sort of squeezed in between the two. Problem is once you get a group like that who span a decade the next generation will never break through as how do you break into that team?

I honestly think breaking through into a premier league time is now borderline impossible you need to be a seriously talented kid who's ready at 19/20 to break through even in average sides as the squads are so big now.

Think the presidential elections are the slight flaw in the whole members structure as it leaves you open to populism and it's interesting because Madrid really are thriving on the stability that Perez has introduced at the club. It now has established itself as the undisputed top dog again and as a result players are desperate to join them. That means they pretty much get first dibs on any player as 99 times out of 100 they'll pick Madrid over another club that is what made Mbappe's decision so baffling this summer.

Madrid are now one of the best run clubs in Europe they're building probably the best stadium in the world and apart from the odd hiccup like Hazard they're getting most of the transfer decisions right both buying and selling.

Barca are just like Utd really buy badly and you end up buying twice.
 
I'd suggest it's probably less true in Madrid's case as they love themselves a galactico, but how many ready made stars do the other sides buy? Allison and possibly VdD at Liverpool. Ronaldo, Maguire, possibly, at United. The likes of Salah, Mane etc., became stars because they were successful at a big club (wish I could name a bunch at United but...).

Barca don't need ready made stars in the same way, United don't usually buy the finished article. Sure we spent big on Rooney and Rio who were established, but Ronaldo, Vidic, Evra, VdS were made into stars at United. I would think buying smartly and creating stars would be more economically viable than buying aging stars.

I agree that the Class of 92, and Barca's glory teams don't come along very often, and are proving very hard to replace. Perhaps coincidentally, both of them were strong in midfield. Nowadays, it seems harder to break in because we aren't as successful and the pressure is more acute. Fergie blooded youth all the time, and if they weren't United quality, we would sell them on for a decent enough fee that could go toward a bigger purchase. Post-Fergie, managers don't have the luxury to throw kids into the cup matches because they're seemingly always one match away from the sack.

Agreed that Madrid are run annoyingly well of late, since they've gone away from the galacticos model and started buying young players and selling the older ones on at the exact right time. Case in point, Cassimero who would've had two up and coming kids in his position. That's the model Barca should be implementing.

EDIT: Just realized this is the FdJ thread. Whoops! LOL
 
To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
 
I think De Jong makes more sense than Bellingham right now he looks a perfect fit with Casemiro.

Eriksen is a stop gap in my opinion.

Not sure we have the money for either though as surely they’ll be bursting the bank for a striker.
 
We should offer 75m€ and give them a deadlines in mid July. We can't accept another long saga that may end badly for us
 
We should look for Gravenberch for a lot less. He is unhappy with is game time at Bayern and Tuchel still refuse to give him a chance despite all the drama. He didn't get a minute in the 2 games against City.
 
Lordkluivert said:
We should offer 75m€ and give them a deadlines in mid July. We can't accept another long saga that may end badly for us
Click to expand...

We shouldn’t make any offers unless De Jong tells us he now wants to come. All the signs suggest he wants to stay at Barcelona and Xavi wants him to stay so don’t waste any time on this guy.

Lordkluivert said:
We should look for Gravenberch for a lot less. He is unhappy with is game time at Bayern and Tuchel still refuse to give him a chance despite all the drama. He didn't get a minute in the 2 games against City.
Click to expand...

That move was a mistake for him he was never going to oust Kimmich or Goretzka
 

Login or Register

Forgot your password?
or Log in using
Don't have an account? Register now
Back
Top