Mason Mount

[Lordkluivert]

Agree, and I genuinely believe a lot of the negativity is because he's English, that and he'd be considered a Chelsea reject.

No no no.
He is not the correct profile. He is a number 10 not technical enough that run alot, very similar to Bruno. What we need is box to box that will drive with the ball forward and run alot. Simple. We should go pick 2 from Gravenberch, Thuram, Kone, Caicedo or Rice. Definetly not Mount. I can't trust ETH to convert a number 10 intro a number 8 because he failled Big Time with Bruno. We must start playing 433 with a 6(Casemiro) and 2 energetic 8(box to box). Any over style is faillure. Real is going this direction with Bellingham. We should not try to shoe Horn player intro position they can't play and get the player that will work now. Also don't want to pay english tax for a poor number 10. If we buy english it must be the very best at young age (Bellingham or Rice)

 

[Lordkluivert]

In one of the red tops today, they print his stats, which are pretty poor to be honest.

I really don't understand this signing if it goes through. But yes, of course we hope he does well if it does.

Just seems a bit a of waste of money to me, not really the improvement we are looking for, more like sameness.

You are rigth, this transfert doesn't make sense when there is better and younger number 8 around. Mount is not better than Mac Allister. Are we getting a player less effecient than Liverpool done when we beat them to the CL spot. Insane

 

[EtHagArmy]

In one of the red tops today, they print his stats, which are pretty poor to be honest.

I really don't understand this signing if it goes through. But yes, of course we hope he does well if it does.

Just seems a bit a of waste of money to me, not really the improvement we are looking for, more like sameness.

He was Chelsea player of the year 2 years running and an England regular. There was reason for that! It’s only in more recent times things have been going wrong for him, and they have hardly been going well for his club either. A move to us could totally rejuvenate him. He is at a good age for such a move.

 

[EtHagArmy]

Agree, and I genuinely believe a lot of the negativity is because he's English, that and he'd be considered a Chelsea reject.

Yes well, I get that bit.

 

[IDFD]

I've never liked Mount. Look at any England threads it used to infuriate me that Gareth wouldn't just give Foden the 10 role.

Mount is a bang average footballer that the world jumped on his bandwagon because he can play short passes that's been found out to be nothing more than that.

Stupid signing. Though I guess his job like Eriksen will just be to move the ball on quickly to the better players so I can see why ETH thinks there is space in the system for his type of player i'd have just preferred it to be someone the class above for the sort of money we are talking.

 

[Lordkluivert]

I've never liked Mount. Look at any England threads it used to infuriate me that Gareth wouldn't just give Foden the 10 role.

Mount is a bang average footballer that the world jumped on his bandwagon because he can play short passes that's been found out to be nothing more than that.

Stupid signing. Though I guess his job like Eriksen will just be to move the ball on quickly to the better players so I can see why ETH thinks there is space in the system for his type of player i'd have just preferred it to be someone the class above for the sort of money we are talking.

We should not accept Mount level, we need better player. Mount is basicaly a poor Bruno copy.

 

[Lordkluivert]

He was Chelsea player of the year 2 years running and an England regular. There was reason for that! It’s only in more recent times things have been going wrong for him, and they have hardly been going well for his club either. A move to us could totally rejuvenate him. He is at a good age for such a move.

He was while playing number 10. We already have Bruno for that.We need box to box

 

[Justin Cider]

No no no.
He is not the correct profile. He is a number 10 not technical enough that run alot, very similar to Bruno. What we need is box to box that will drive with the ball forward and run alot. Simple. We should go pick 2 from Gravenberch, Thuram, Kone, Caicedo or Rice. Definetly not Mount. I can't trust ETH to convert a number 10 intro a number 8 because he failled Big Time with Bruno. We must start playing 433 with a 6(Casemiro) and 2 energetic 8(box to box). Any over style is faillure. Real is going this direction with Bellingham. We should not try to shoe Horn player intro position they can't play and get the player that will work now. Also don't want to pay english tax for a poor number 10. If we buy english it must be the very best at young age (Bellingham or Rice)

The Manager obviously thinks he is the correct profile, and at the end of the day that's all that really matters, plus he also knows how he is going to set the team up going forward and what he feel he needs, we don't. And it's not as though he(EtH) has not long been aware of what Mount offers, he had just taken the Ajax job in the season Mount starred on loan at Vitesse so will know the type of player he is and can be. Who knows Mount maybe led his Ajax team a merry dance twice, and it's left a lasting impression ....

And just because Mount joins, it doesn't mean we won't bring a BtB in as well. Relax let the Manager do his job.

 

[Justin Cider]

Didn't hear either of you mention going for him before the press did. In fact, didn't hear anyone mention getting him. Probably because he's not better than say, Fred

Homegrown, regular England International, one of the first names on the team-sheet at one of our biggest rivals, I wonder why?

Right i'm off to start a thread titled "We have to try and get Foden away from City, he is being so underused"

 

[Lordkluivert]

The Manager obviously thinks he is the correct profile, and at the end of the day that's all that really matters, plus he also knows how he is going to set the team up going forward and what he feel he needs, we don't. And it's not as though he(EtH) has not long been aware of what Mount offers, he had just taken the Ajax job in the season Mount starred on loan at Vitesse so will know the type of player he is and can be. Who knows Mount maybe led his Ajax team a merry dance twice, and it's left a lasting impression ....

And just because Mount joins, it doesn't mean we won't bring a BtB in as well. Relax let the Manager do his job.

I not wrong in this.This is a terrible choice unless if he plan to sell Bruno and see Mount has a perfect replacent. This is not the 90 anymore, nobody dominate the play with a number 10. This position is outdated. It's modern day, we need leg power and ball carrying ability. I mean Liverpool doesn't play with number 10, Real, Barça, Napoli, Bayern, even City has converted there number 10 to 8. Why do you thinks we Can have this luxury when everyone get away from this. Are we more intelligent than the biggest clubs in Europe. I don't thinks so. Stop being stuborn and play a good 433 formation with a 6 and 2 number 8. Even Newcastle play the formation and they did great without spending too much.

 

[jsp]

I like him but I wouldn’t be breaking the bank for him.

He is a better player than all our centre mids bar Casemiro.

The fee will probably dictate the narrative around him, there is talk of 70m which I think is way to high.

Always liked him for England feel he knits the midfield and attack together well but he was poor at the world cup and deserved to be dropped. Bellingham I think has now taken his spot in the team but if Mount can crack this number 8 role that might see him back in the reckoning.

 

[Lordkluivert]

Homegrown, regular England International, one of the first names on the team-sheet at one of our biggest rivals, I wonder why?

Right i'm off to start a thread titled "We have to try and get Foden away from City, he is being so underused"

What homegrown rule, we have Rash, Shaw, Garnacho, Awb,Sancho, Greenwood and Mainoo. We can sell Mctominay easy without breaking the rule

 

[jsp]

What homegrown rule, we have Rash, Shaw, Garnacho, Awb,Sancho, Greenwood and Mainoo. We can sell Mctominay easy without breaking the rule

Garnacho doesn’t count yet and neither does Mainoo ans they are under 21 and Greenwood is currently suspended and unlikely to play for the club again.

You can only name 17 non homegrown players over 21 in your squad.

Utd do need to think about buying some English talent.

 

[Lordkluivert]

I like him but I wouldn’t be breaking the bank for him.

He is a better player than all our centre mids bar Casemiro.

The fee will probably dictate the narrative around him, there is talk of 70m which I think is way to high.

Always liked him for England feel he knits the midfield and attack together well but he was poor at the world cup and deserved to be dropped. Bellingham I think has now taken his spot in the team but if Mount can crack this number 8 role that might see him back in the reckoning.

Bellingham is way better, no comparaison needed. Rice has is spot secured too. Only one place left in this midfield

 

[Mr C]

Homegrown, regular England International, one of the first names on the team-sheet at one of our biggest rivals, I wonder why?

Right i'm off to start a thread titled "We have to try and get Foden away from City, he is being so underused"

If Foden in his last year, and had months of news about City not offerig him a new deal.

It's nothing like the same thing, he's got a year left, wasn't being picked (prior to injury) and wasn't being offered a new deal. It isn't news he could be moving.

Fact is, nobody on here, or anywhere put Mounts name forward for man Utd, because he's just not that good. Two lads at Brighton I'd take above him.

I don't mind if he signs, for under 50m. But he is not a solution, just more of the same and will replace Fred/Mctom on the bench. What we need is players to improve our starting 11, and he doesn't.

 

[Lordkluivert]

Garnacho doesn’t count yet and neither does Mainoo ans they are under 21 and Greenwood is currently suspended and unlikely to play for the club again.

You can only name 17 non homegrown players over 21 in your squad.

Utd do need to think about buying some English talent.

Get Bellingham or Rice the other are not United level or too old or useless

 

[jsp]

Bellingham is way better, no comparaison needed. Rice has is spot secured too. Only one place left in this midfield

Yes and that is the position Mount will need to fight for. Foden seems to be used as a winger so he’s got to compete with Henderson, Phillips and Gallagher at the moment.

If Mount can show he’s a competent number 8 then the England midfield could easily be Bellingham and Mount either side of Rice next summer.

I actually think the 8 role could suit him and I suspect Bruno will also be used more as an 8 next season in bigger games.

I would still like to see another more powerful midfielder added like Rice or Caicedo as to me there’s still a need for a player like that in the squad. Maybe not the money for it though which is the problem.

 

[Lordkluivert]

If Foden in his last year, and had months of news about City not offerig him a new deal.

It's nothing like the same thing, he's got a year left, wasn't being picked (prior to injury) and wasn't being offered a new deal. It isn't news he could be moving.

Fact is, nobody on here, or anywhere put Mounts name forward for man Utd, because he's just not that good. Two lads at Brighton I'd take above him.

I don't mind if he signs, for under 50m. But he is not a solution, just more of the same and will replace Fred/Mctom on the bench. What we need is players to improve our starting 11, and he doesn't.

Exactly, make a sensible choice and go for top young talent, they are there (Gravenberch, Kone, Thuram, Caicedo, Rice, Bellingham, Le Fée). Not has been Mount i wanna play like Bruno.

 

[jsp]

It's nothing like the same thing, he's got a year left, wasn't being picked (prior to injury) and wasn't being offered a new deal. It isn't news he could be moving.

He was offered a new deal but turned it down as it was well below what some of the new signings were on. He felt as an established member of the squad he deserved to be put on top money.

He has had a poor season though.

 

[jsp]

Get Bellingham or Rice the other are not United level or too old or useless

What if neither of them want to join us?

Word seems to be Bellingham is heading to Madrid and Rice to Arsenal if you believe the rumours.

I trust Ten Hag’s judgement he wouldn’t bring him in if he didn’t think he could fulfil the role.

 

[Justin Cider]

I not wrong in this.This is a terrible choice unless if he plan to sell Bruno and see Mount has a perfect replacent. This is not the 90 anymore, nobody dominate the play with a number 10. This position is outdated. It's modern day, we need leg power and ball carrying ability. I mean Liverpool doesn't play with number 10, Real, Barça, Napoli, Bayern, even City has converted there number 10 to 8. Why do you thinks we Can have this luxury when everyone get away from this. Are we more intelligent than the biggest clubs in Europe. I don't thinks so. Stop being stuborn and play a good 433 formation with a 6 and 2 number 8. Even Newcastle play the formation and they did great without spending too much.

Okay.

 

[Lordkluivert]

Yes and that is the position Mount will need to fight for. Foden seems to be used as a winger so he’s got to compete with Henderson, Phillips and Gallagher at the moment.

If Mount can show he’s a competent number 8 then the England midfield could easily be Bellingham and Mount either side of Rice next summer.

I actually think the 8 role could suit him and I suspect Bruno will also be used more as an 8 next season in bigger games.

I would still like to see another more powerful midfielder added like Rice or Caicedo as to me there’s still a need for a player like that in the squad. Maybe not the money for it though which is the problem.

Stop, ETH had is chance to convert Bruno and he failled Big Time. Bruno keep losing possession in dangerous area. What make you think he will succed with Mount. Stop thé expérimenté and get a ready mande number 8 not a wanna be

 

[Lordkluivert]

What if neither of them want to join us?

Word seems to be Bellingham is heading to Madrid and Rice to Arsenal if you believe the rumours.

I trust Ten Hag’s judgement he wouldn’t bring him in if he didn’t think he could fulfil the role.

I don't trust ETH, he failled with Bruno. Also look at the way he insisted for FDJ. That prove he doesn't know how to produce or coach this type of player, he just know that they are the right type, that is all

 

[Mr C]

He was offered a new deal but turned it down as it was well below what some of the new signings were on. He felt as an established member of the squad he deserved to be put on top money.

He has had a poor season though.

isn't that what clubs do to players they don't want?

Regardless, either way, it's not news he's available

 

[Justin Cider]

What homegrown rule, we have Rash, Shaw, Garnacho, Awb,Sancho, Greenwood and Mainoo. We can sell Mctominay easy without breaking the rule

Totally different discussion, this is about the likelihood of a top club selling a player to another top club and what would make it less likely.

 

[jsp]

Stop, ETH had is chance to convert Bruno and he failled Big Time. Bruno keep losing possession in dangerous area. What make you think he will succed with Mount. Stop thé expérimenté and get a ready mande number 8 not a wanna be

Has he failed? To me it doesn’t really seem like he’s tried there were a few games he played Bruno deeper and it worked quite well, he also played him wide sometimes with varying success. It tended to become more of a 3 once we went ahead and Bruno’s change creation stats were incredible this season that comes with risk taking.

We are not looking to replace Bruno it’s Eriksen who will be replaced.

I think he’s a good manager and a good judge of players so if he’s seen something he can work with, I trust his judgement.

I was just offering up what I think the plan is and if they go with Mount then hopefully it works.

 

[jsp]

isn't that what clubs do to players they don't want?

Regardless, either way, it's not news he's available

No if they don’t want them they tend to sell them rather than offer them new deals, easy to forget that after a decade of Glazers/Woodward.

They wanted Mount to stay and so do most Chelsea fans but having spent so much money they now kind of need to sell him.

If I was Poch I’d want to keep him think he suits Poch football perfectly.

 

[jsp]

I don't trust ETH, he failled with Bruno. Also look at the way he insisted for FDJ. That prove he doesn't know how to produce or coach this type of player, he just know that they are the right type, that is all

What exactly did he fail at with Bruno? You keep saying that like it’s a fact. Have I missed something?

FDJ was his first choice but we couldn’t convince him to come so instead we sign Casemiro who’s proven to be a great signing.

I think he realised after 2 games he can’t make this squad play his way so he tweeted it to get through this season and deliver a strong league finish and a domestic cup. Now over this summer I expect things to change and for Utd to become more in his image.

 

[Justin Cider]

Fact is, nobody on here, or anywhere put Mounts name forward for man Utd, because he's just not that good. Two lads at Brighton I'd take above him.

Yeah and the reasons should be obvious knowing the history between the clubs, okay it's a bit of fun till it isn't, but nobody wants a succession of posts telling 'em to drink more water with it, to answer the door it's the men in white coats, start taking the meds again etc etc

 

[Lordkluivert]

Has he failed? To me it doesn’t really seem like he’s tried there were a few games he played Bruno deeper and it worked quite well, he also played him wide sometimes with varying success. It tended to become more of a 3 once we went ahead and Bruno’s change creation stats were incredible this season that comes with risk taking.

We are not looking to replace Bruno it’s Eriksen who will be replaced.

I think he’s a good manager and a good judge of players so if he’s seen something he can work with, I trust his judgement.

I was just offering up what I think the plan is and if they go with Mount then hopefully it works.

No Eriksen will stay. We will replace Fred and Mctominay. I want energy and good awarness of a number 8

 

[jsp]

No Eriksen will stay. We will replace Fred and Mctominay. I want energy and good awarness of a number 8

I meant in the starting line up not the squad.

This is purely hyophetical but if we replaced those two with Mount and Caicedo then I’d be very happy. My guess is it’ll be Mount replacing Fred and McT probably ends up staying.

 

[Lordkluivert]

What exactly did he fail at with Bruno? You keep saying that like it’s a fact. Have I missed something?

FDJ was his first choice but we couldn’t convince him to come so instead we sign Casemiro who’s proven to be a great signing.

I think he realised after 2 games he can’t make this squad play his way so he tweeted it to get through this season and deliver a strong league finish and a domestic cup. Now over this summer I expect things to change and for Utd to become more in his image.

He failled to convert Bruno into a number 8, he has never been good in the position because he can't drive with the ball. Mount will be the same because he lack the technic to carry the ball forward. He doesn't pass my eye test. Mount is just a wanna be Bruno. Nothing more.

 

[Lordkluivert]

I meant in the starting line up not the squad.

This is purely hyophetical but if we replaced those two with Mount and Caicedo then I’d be very happy. My guess is it’ll be Mount replacing Fred and McT probably ends up staying.

Well that is your choice. Mine is to get Caicedo instead of Mount. I can bet my housse a trio of Caicedo, Casemiro and Bruno to beat the hell out of a Mount, Casemiro and Bruno combo

 

[EtHagArmy]

Garnacho doesn’t count yet and neither does Mainoo ans they are under 21 and Greenwood is currently suspended and unlikely to play for the club again.

You can only name 17 non homegrown players over 21 in your squad.

Utd do need to think about buying some English talent.

oh, ok! So that rules out the rest of the UK then!

 

[Lordkluivert]

Can't believe we are missing out on Bellingham and Rice and being forced to get bloody Mount. What a Big fall in quality.