Coronavirus

RichH2016 said:
Because the only way to get past this is to get to the stage of it being an endemic. We keep delaying that by restrictions. If we have restrictions this year then we will have them forever. Viruses mutate, it is what they do. This will keep happening. Omicron can still be lessened by the vaccines and it is meant to be less severe. We were told the vaccines were the way out.
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If added restrictions potentially save just one life then it’s the right thing to do.
 
SuperRash said:
If added restrictions potentially save just one life then it’s the right thing to do.
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I am sure you know that a lockdown would never be sanctioned on that basis, and additionally it would be difficult for anyone to find justification for it. The man on the street certainly wouldn't.
There's enough deaths credited to Covid even when we are in lockdown. The most vulnerable who unfortunately have existing conditions have responsibilities to themselves, as do their families.
 
hawd yer wheesht said:
I am sure you know that a lockdown would never be sanctioned on that basis, and additionally it would be difficult for anyone to find justification for it. The man on the street certainly wouldn't.
There's enough deaths credited to Covid even when we are in lockdown. The most vulnerable who unfortunately have existing conditions have responsibilities to themselves, as do their families.
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Of course it wouldn’t be sanctioned on that basis but just making the point that lockdowns aren’t f done on a whim - they are done for specific reasons. I wouldn’t say any past or future lockdowns could be termed as ridiculous.
 
Isnt it wierd that the whole news corporations are only peddling 1 perspective,the opposite of good reporting.
Look at what proper professionals are saying,e.g prof dalgliesh et al its as if covid is a massive money making machine and people in power dont want it to end.
as for saying lockdown saving 1 life its worth it what a moronic statement.
Lockdown has been proven to kill many many people,through depression,stopped medication/surgery and much much more
People die but to actually stop helping people with cancer etc is a crime especially when this strain has been proven to be weak but highly contagious so therefore perfect to get herd immunity .
Sorry but i wont and will not listen to Bellend,Whitless and Dangermouse but proper experts who know what they are talking about.
 
All I can say is F covid. My brother was due to come back on Thursday from Chicago. I've not seen him in 2 years due to this fing pandemic and now he's tested positive for covid. So F covid. F it all the way.
 
RichH2016 said:
All I can say is F covid. My brother was due to come back on Thursday from Chicago. I've not seen him in 2 years due to this fing pandemic and now he's tested positive for covid. So F covid. F it all the way.
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Oh no. Sorry to hear that. That is just rubbish. I hope health wise it is a mild case for him.
 
Based on the leaks we are all going back to step 2 restrictions from 27th December for a month.

All indoor socialising would be banned including indoor entertainment venues.
 
SuperRash said:
Depends on what you constitute as ridiculous I guess. Helping the NHS through a tough period? Ensuring cases are brought down in a time when the Omicron is ripping through the country?
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We have the vaccine, we have the boosters, we simply need to get on with things. It is ridiculous to do anything else.
 
RichH2016 said:
We have the vaccine, we have the boosters, we simply need to get on with things. It is ridiculous to do anything else.
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Being sensible is never ridiculous. We know with case rises it's 3 weeks before we start to see the effect on deaths and the NHS.

I think if we follow the Scottish route people can't moan too much.

- Table service only got
- Groups of 3 households

From December 27th.
 
your all talking like this strain is deadly,its not
Look up what the medical expertsi n South Africa are saying.look what the german,italian and english experts are saying.
Its a weak strain but highly contagious so therefore very good as all people can get with a very small risk but will stop the need to booster every 3 months.a fact the drug companies dont want people to know
Astra zeneca maid over £27 billion last year and thats with charging under market prices so god knows what they will make next year if the doom merchants peddle the misinformation and fear spreading.
Stop taking for granted what the politicians and sage say and see for yourselves
Honestly believe this strain will be good for the country on a whole and look forward toa brighter 2022
By the way sage are not a group of contagious disease experts far from it and its wierd that the government would take advice from them on this subject
 
Yes let's ignore the key things that Whitty pointed out. This strain in South Africa does seem weaker but that could be because South Africa didn't have any vaccine in place for the Delta varient. Where as we did have vaccines in place for the Delta varient.

Also if only half the number of people are hospitalised from before if it's far more contagious it's a higher number of people you're halving.

The rule of 6 and table service aren't exactly massive changing things they're just sensible for the current issues.
 
IDFD said:
Yes let's ignore the key things that Whitty pointed out. This strain in South Africa does seem weaker but that could be because South Africa didn't have any vaccine in place for the Delta varient. Where as we did have vaccines in place for the Delta varient.
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What? It seems weaker in South Africa because they don't have the vaccines in place? The vaccines still offer some protection against the Omicron variant so us being better protected helps us against all variants. Honestly Whitty talks and everyone laps it up. They overlook that he's a doomsayer because of the line of work he is in. His view is restrictions restrictions restrictions because of the nature of his job.
 
It is still a deadly virus people are dying from it directly but it’s also very disruptive because of the volume of cases it means our regular services struggle to function.

Let’s hope as the information comes through they aren’t forced to bring back restrictions.

There has to be a balance and the experts will inevitably decide the best way to deal with it no one benefits from restrictions.
 
RichH2016 said:
What? It seems weaker in South Africa because they don't have the vaccines in place? The vaccines still offer some protection against the Omicron variant so us being better protected helps us against all variants. Honestly Whitty talks and everyone laps it up. They overlook that he's a doomsayer because of the line of work he is in. His view is restrictions restrictions restrictions because of the nature of his job.
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They didn't have any vaccines in South Africa in place for the Delta varient wave. Whereas they do now.
 
nonewname said:
your all talking like this strain is deadly,its not
Look up what the medical expertsi n South Africa are saying.look what the german,italian and english experts are saying.
Its a weak strain but highly contagious so therefore very good as all people can get with a very small risk but will stop the need to booster every 3 months.a fact the drug companies dont want people to know
Astra zeneca maid over £27 billion last year and thats with charging under market prices so god knows what they will make next year if the doom merchants peddle the misinformation and fear spreading.
Stop taking for granted what the politicians and sage say and see for yourselves
Honestly believe this strain will be good for the country on a whole and look forward toa brighter 2022
By the way sage are not a group of contagious disease experts far from it and its wierd that the government would take advice from them on this subject
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It is weird that the government would take the advice from a team including people who have specialised in respiratory illnesses and other diseases like Ebola! Would of been better asking my 8 year old niece in truth!
 
Not correct yet again Superrash
On its own web page sages members of the advisory group to the ukgov consist of 6 professors of varying types of psychology and a professor of anthropology
But hey why let facts get in the way of a good scare story
 
jsp said:
It is still a deadly virus people are dying from it directly but it’s also very disruptive because of the volume of cases it means our regular services struggle to function.
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The mortality rate is not that high. Look at deaths vs positive covid tests. The rate is 1.3% or thereabouts. And that's just positive results so the rate is likely to be way under 1%.
 
nonewname said:
Not correct yet again Superrash
On its own web page sages members of the advisory group to the ukgov consist of 6 professors of varying types of psychology and a professor of anthropology
But hey why let facts get in the way of a good scare story
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Incorrect. There have been many more than 6 advisors during the pandemic.
 
RichH2016 said:
The mortality rate is not that high. Look at deaths vs positive covid tests. The rate is 1.3% or thereabouts. And that's just positive results so the rate is likely to be way under 1%.
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These numbers are all skewed by us going through multiple lockdowns, the long term implications are still unknown and the fact that if we ignore it the number of people getting sick and missing work disrupts everything.

Again who benefits from restrictions or lockdowns? They only do it as a last resort to try and make sure if any of us get this disease we have the best possible chance of surviving and now we’ve got much better at keeping people alive. Vaccinations and drugs that can help those who get severe cases we’ve got much better at keeping people alive from Covid in the last 2 years.

We both want the same thing which is no lockdown and I assume you’ve had your jabs but if actual experts are saying we are in trouble here and need to take some short term precautions I’m kind of inclined to listen to them.
 
nonewname said:
Not correct yet again Superrash
On its own web page sages members of the advisory group to the ukgov consist of 6 professors of varying types of psychology and a professor of anthropology
But hey why let facts get in the way of a good scare story
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www.gov.uk

List of participants of SAGE and related sub-groups

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

I gave up counting but that’s over 50 people who participate in SAGE since the current group was formed to provide a Covid 19 response. It’s probably a really good idea to have a wide range of expertise involved.
 
jsp said:
These numbers are all skewed by us going through multiple lockdowns, the long term implications are still unknown and the fact that if we ignore it the number of people getting sick and missing work disrupts everything.
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Sorry bud but I disagree. Look at the number of confirmed cases. Divide the number of deaths by the number of confirmed cases... Its like 1.3% mortality rate. And then recognise that there have absolutely been more people who have been positive but weren't tested. Think of all the asymptomatic people. All the people who isolated at home during lockdowns without getting a test. The mortality rate is under 1%. This is not the scary killer virus the media and scientists want to make out. For most people, over 99% you'll either feel nothing or feel ill for a few days.
 
sage and related sub groups if you look at sage only then the list is far fewer
what are these sub groups and who do they contain as i cannot find them
If you believe what Boris the clown tells you,if you believe what Whitless tells you ,even denying the basic science, then good luck to you.
I for one try to see all the angles before making an informed decision
 
Chris Whitty should not be allowed to take to the stand. Sorry but from day one he's been Mr Pessimistic. The only way out of this is to stop the scaremongering and he's head of the pack.
 

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