Coronavirus

[RichH2016]

There's been around 130,000 deaths in the UK. You can cut that down too when you remove everyone who tested positive but died of something else. There's around 65M living in the UK. The mortality rate is so low and yet the hysteria around this virus is just crazy.

 

[RVN]

What happens when scores of NHS staff are isolating due to positve LFD/PCR tests and there are not enough staff to open GP surgeries or staff wards?

 

[jsp]

sage and related sub groups if you look at sage only then the list is far fewer
what are these sub groups and who do they contain as i cannot find them
If you believe what Boris the clown tells you,if you believe what Whitless tells you ,even denying the basic science, then good luck to you.
I for one try to see all the angles before making an informed decision

The sub groups are all there and listed even more experts looking at different things in greater detail.

I don’t believe Boris never have never will all that guy wants is power he’s got no substance about him whatsoever it’s all about reaching the top and staying there by any means necessary.

As for Chris Whitty he’s clearly an expert in his field so I do listen to what he says he’s often got the job of trying to explain very complex data analysis in a way that the average person could understand it.

 

[jsp]

There's been around 130,000 deaths in the UK. You can cut that down too when you remove everyone who tested positive but died of something else. There's around 65M living in the UK. The mortality rate is so low and yet the hysteria around this virus is just crazy.

If we are playing the whatabout game what about people who died from Covid that never got a Covid test they aren’t in the stats. There will also be plenty of people who missed early diagnosis of issues that could have been life saving because hospitals went into a crisis mode. Just had a look compared to the 5 year average last week we are 10% above the rolling average that suggests there’s a problem.

Again all these numbers are numbers that occurred after decisions were made to lockdown we will never know the numbers if we’d have stayed open and done nothing.

I do think the hysteria is a problem but that’s modern society we all think we are experts but we don’t want to listen to the experts anymore. Sadly media thrives on negativity and pushes that to keep a 24/7 news channel going fear sells the news channels worked that out pretty quickly a very long time ago.

The good news is some of the more recent data suggests Omicron will not reach the worst case scenario things are settling down so hopefully lockdowns can be avoided if people act sensibly and more importantly make sure they get vaccinated.

 

[IDFD]

Sorry bud but I disagree. Look at the number of confirmed cases. Divide the number of deaths by the number of confirmed cases... Its like 1.3% mortality rate. And then recognise that there have absolutely been more people who have been positive but weren't tested. Think of all the asymptomatic people. All the people who isolated at home during lockdowns without getting a test. The mortality rate is under 1%. This is not the scary killer virus the media and scientists want to make out. For most people, over 99% you'll either feel nothing or feel ill for a few days.

And without lockdowns and social distancing it's like almost all would have contacted it. What's 1% of 70m? (It's higher than 1% anyway but even that proves the point) A number you're happy to let die for the sake of a pint?

I hate lockdowns and restrictions but say it's saved 300k lives at a conservative estimate. It's worth it.

 

[RichH2016]

If we are playing the whatabout game what about people who died from Covid that never got a Covid test they aren’t in the stats.

I suspect the number is very low in fact even zero. I know someone who's mother died of parkinsons but tested positive when she died. They wanted to put covid as one of the reasons for her death and the family fought them on it. So of the 130,000 deaths I think I'm being overly kind if I say a third of those probably didn't even die of covid. It isn't this scary virus that the media want you to think. It affects the vulnerable and those who are overweight for the most part.

 

[jsp]

I suspect the number is very low in fact even zero. I know someone who's mother died of parkinsons but tested positive when she died. They wanted to put covid as one of the reasons for her death and the family fought them on it. So of the 130,000 deaths I think I'm being overly kind if I say a third of those probably didn't even die of covid. It isn't this scary virus that the media want you to think. It affects the vulnerable and those who are overweight for the most part.

So you are basing your theory on one case? I’m sure there’s a case to knock a few cases out probably a case to add a few one. In fact I think they removed 6,000 cases upon review last year.

How much work have you done to personally rule 1/3 of all Covid cases out of the numbers? You are talking out your backside mate even if we rule out your 1/3 that’s still 100,000 direct deaths from Covid. Also, not everyone fully recovers from this it can do long lasting damage to your vital organs. Those who have died later after Covid aren’t included in the stats unless they test positive within 28 days of death.

There’s no incentive to make the number higher than it actually is. Who benefits from the high number?

I know healthy people that it made very ill one has competed in sport at a National level ended up in hospital for a few days. This thing isn’t just killing the vulnerable it’s also killing normal people.

 

[IDFD]

I suspect the number is very low in fact even zero. I know someone who's mother died of parkinsons but tested positive when she died. They wanted to put covid as one of the reasons for her death and the family fought them on it. So of the 130,000 deaths I think I'm being overly kind if I say a third of those probably didn't even die of covid. It isn't this scary virus that the media want you to think. It affects the vulnerable and those who are overweight for the most part.

Do you know how extreme the list of underlying causes is?

If I was to die from Covid I would go down as someone who was vulnerable. I'm a healthy guy in general but suffer with severe social anxiety and depression. Under their exhaustive list that counts as being vulnerable. I was out with a group of 30 something year olds the other day and of the 10 of us 1 wouldn't have been classed as having an underlying condition.

My partner had it 4 months ago. 24 no health conditions she still struggles now with walking to the station. Has to stop and take a break. Prior to Covid she could have run 5 miles without thinking about it.

 

[Ben Townsend]

The rule of 6 and table service aren't exactly massive changing things they're just sensible for the current issues.

Although table service means I could keep my bars open, last time, I was paying out double staff wages as one will be serving while another one or two will need to be on the floor managing groups, taking drinks to tables, taking payments etc - albeit with absolutely no guarantee that there will be bums on seats.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

All I can say is F covid. My brother was due to come back on Thursday from Chicago. I've not seen him in 2 years due to this fing pandemic and now he's tested positive for covid. So F covid. F it all the way.

Imagine how the families of the 130,000 must feel…

 

[jsp]

Although table service means I could keep my bars open, last time, I was paying out double staff wages as one will be serving while another one or two will need to be on the floor managing groups, taking drinks to tables, taking payments etc - albeit with absolutely no guarantee that there will be bums on seats.

How are the bars doing? It’s a joke that no support is being offered when there’s clear government advice to avoid going out and socialising.

I quite like table service in pubs but the costs need to be built into the price it’s not like pubs can swallow further cuts to their margins even pre Covid plenty were just hanging on.

 

[IDFD]

I much preferred table service but I guess in locals pub in Dorking it's largely different to bigger pubs with more custom they can still make the bars work with one or two staff.

 

[Ben Townsend]

How are the bars doing? It’s a joke that no support is being offered when there’s clear government advice to avoid going out and socialising.

I quite like table service in pubs but the costs need to be built into the price it’s not like pubs can swallow further cuts to their margins even pre Covid plenty were just hanging on.

Luckily my two are okay, as we do have a good crowd of loyal regulars that will come out no matter what is going on with the world. But we have noticed that the normal crazy build up to Christmas day hasn't been as busy that's for sure, but were expecting a very busy Christmas eve because by then people wont know if they have covid or not, so will still spend time with family the following day.

As a customer, I agree entirely that table service is great, when I go out with the Mrs and family I love it - but the logistics of making it work from the management side means that I cant leave one person behind the bar on certain shifts as their workload massively increases, which isn't ideal.

I have seen a few bits and pieces regarding a grant offered through local council to hospitality businesses which are being affected, maximum grant amount of £6k, which across the two pubs will help me hugely - but lets wait and see how things pan out.

 

[RichH2016]

Honestly the media have done exactly what they set out to do with you guys. You all fear covid so much now. Is it awful that people have died? Absolutely. A lot of those would have also died sadly of flu or another reason. But the damage that restrictions and lockdowns are doing to this country in the long term are far far greater.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

I rarely take note of the media. I work in the medical industry and have seen what’s going on first hand. That’s all I need to know.

 

[SuperRash]

Honestly the media have done exactly what they set out to do with you guys. You all fear covid so much now. Is it awful that people have died? Absolutely. A lot of those would have also died sadly of flu or another reason. But the damage that restrictions and lockdowns are doing to this country in the long term are far far greater.

Do I fear a disease that has caused 5 million worldwide deaths? And left so many more people with long term conditions? As a guy with a history of respiratory issues you bet your ass I fear it.

You have talked a whole lot of twaddle in this thread.

 

[RichH2016]

And you have a reason to fear this virus as you have a respiratory issue. 99%+ of people do not.

 

[SuperRash]

And you have a reason to fear this virus as you have a respiratory issue. 99%+ of people do not.

I think everyone has to show some caution with it - it can effect healthy people as well. We do have the vaccines but if numbers are rising then it’s prudent to be cautious with restrictions.

I don’t want any more lockdowns but everyone can live with certain restrictions.

 

[RichH2016]

I think everyone has to show some caution with it - it can effect healthy people as well. We do have the vaccines but if numbers are rising then it’s prudent to be cautious with restrictions.

I don’t want any more lockdowns but everyone can live with certain restrictions.

I just don't agree mate I'm sorry. Yes I get your point but this virus isn't going anywhere. We have to get on with our lives because this virus is going to be with us forever. And for over 99% of the population they will get no more than mild symptoms. Just like flu.

 

[nonewname]

Dont bother arguing Rich the scared and fearful will stay scared and fearful
And the rest of us will just get on with life.
As an ex skydiver,boxer and motorcyclist i have done many dangerous things but life is dangerous no need to be fearful
Anyway i wish everyone a happy xmas

 

[IDFD]

I rarely take note of the media. I work in the medical industry and have seen what’s going on first hand. That’s all I need to know.

So wrong that this has been ignored. Unfortunately society has got to the point where we ignore the experts in the field and just assume we know better.

Instead of criticising those that do know what they're talking about people should think about how they would feel if an idiot in their field decided they knew better than them at their speciality. I can't think of any other time where people think they know better than those that have literally trained to be experts.

And lastly thanks for everything you've done throughout the last 22 months.

 

[RichH2016]

So wrong that this has been ignored. Unfortunately society has got to the point where we ignore the experts in the field and just assume we know better.

It isn't about ignoring the experts... Its about risk assessment and balancing risk. Nobody is saying that Covid doesn't kill people but so does the flu, so does cancer, so do buses etc etc.

 

[SuperRash]

Dont bother arguing Rich the scared and fearful will stay scared and fearful
And the rest of us will just get on with life.
As an ex skydiver,boxer and motorcyclist i have done many dangerous things but life is dangerous no need to be fearful
Anyway i wish everyone a happy xmas

Well you do you then, and we will continue to respect the disease.

Oh and I have done dangerous things but am still not so blasé to something that can kill. Also, it’s not just about the individual person, even if you don’t get ill from it yourself, you could spread it on to vulnerable relatives. There are so many variables that make it a nasty disease to contend with.

 

[nonewname]

Not blase just dont get scared about a disease that has a 0.085 mortality rate,much more scared for things like cancer
But as stated before i wont argue with you anymore as you have your point of view,i have mine and never the twain shall meet.

 

[RichH2016]

Not blase just dont get scared about a disease that has a 0.085 mortality rate,much more scared for things like cancer
But as stated before i wont argue with you anymore as you have your point of view,i have mine and never the twain shall meet.

I agree. Cancer actually keeps me up sometimes at night. It has been in the family on both of my parents sides. It is one of those things that you can't control, you can't do a lot about and any day it could just bring your world crashing down around you.

 

[Sapper]

Lads just tested positive for Covid (LFT) having PCR tomorrow we are negative at present
And people say this virus is a hoax !!

A massive f<<ck off to all anti vaxers conspiracy theorists and associated idiots

Merry Christmas to everyone else ( Apart from Mass Murderers paedophiles Nazis and Communists )

 

[IDFD]

Not blase just dont get scared about a disease that has a 0.085 mortality rate,much more scared for things like cancer
But as stated before i wont argue with you anymore as you have your point of view,i have mine and never the twain shall meet.

I mean you're now just making up numbers.

This is the problem people behave like it doesn't matter and because of their actions innocent elderly people die.

Honestly it disgust me how selfish some people are. They suddenly care about cancer whilst ignoring the loved ones lost through Covid because it effects them. I can't stand that sort of person tbh.

 

[Sapper]

I mean you're now just making up numbers.

This is the problem people behave like it doesn't matter and because of their actions innocent elderly people die.

Honestly it disgust me how selfish some people are. They suddenly care about cancer whilst ignoring the loved ones lost through Covid because it effects them. I can't stand that sort of person tbh.

Well said mate I call it playstation Britain a selfish victim mentality this is serious shit my Son tested positive yesterday and today father in law and then my sister in law who hasnt been vaccinated and is very ill

 

[IDFD]

Well said mate I call it playstation Britain a selfish victim mentality this is serious shit my Son tested positive yesterday and today father in law and then my sister in law who hasnt been vaccinated and is very ill

I hope her symptoms are mildish and she pulls through whatever it is she's going through fella. But people think the fact that if they get it they'll be fine and ignore they could literally be handing a death sentence to someone else like your sister in law (and my mum whose currently battling cancer) and that's why it's important we are sensible.

 

[nonewname]

nope that stat of 0.085 mortality rate is out there and confirmed its there for al lto see
so sappy cnut and idfucknows maybe stop being cnuts and learn the facts
not sure what your point is sapper im not denying covid or that the vaccine helps just saying look at the facts soppy bolloxs
i have had covid so have many of my friends all had a few weeks of bad flu including a few old folks and guess what we all survived.
you want to be scared and scare other people then feck off and do it but dont try to scare other people into your own sad sack group

 

[IDFD]

nope that stat of 0.085 mortality rate is out there and confirmed its there for al lto see
so sappy cnut and idfucknows maybe stop being cnuts and learn the facts
happy xmas to you both

The mortality rate is literally deaths / cases X 100.

It's 1.9% let's not continue to make up nonsense.

As it's basic maths. The only thing you got right was that it's confirmed for all to see.

And you're stupid nicknames for me and Sapper will get you no where. The reason I urge you to not make up nonsense about the mortality rate is it undermines any other point you try to make as if you're blatantly lying about something to easy to disprove what other nonsense are you lying about.

 

[nonewname]

i mean if you want i can send you all the links for the studies this last few months all agree 0.085 mortality rate
not sure why you would disagree as this is truthful and good news

 

[IDFD]

The mortality rate is literally basic maths fella. I don't understand how you can't grasp that basic fact.

I know what you are doing though you're perceiving the entire world to have it instead of deaths as a percentage of cases. Which of course you would want to do an manipulate the figures. Selfish people always will. As I said though stop with the stupid nicknames. Do it towards me all you want but other members who have mentioned their family being ill don't deserve such childish treatment.

 

[nonewname]

Vaccines drive third-wave Covid death rate below 1 in 1,000

Fewer than 1 in 1,000 Covid-19 infections are now resulting in death, according to calculations by statisticians in Cambridge.Thanks to vaccinations the infection fatality rate of the disease, a measure of the ratio of infections to deaths, is about 0.085 per cent, the Medical Research Council (MRC)

www.thetimes.co.uk

not sure why you would deny facts and also inferring im slurring or trying to lessen anyones problems with a disease is just wrong and a big case of what aboutism.
its a bug thats contagious but not very deadly hence the 0.085 mortality rate that has been confirmed by quite a few well respected journels
not manipulating the figures as you have accused me of and as far as i know im not selfish another reach of unconfirmed lies by yourself

 

[RichH2016]

It's 1.9% let's not continue to make up nonsense

I'd make it 1.2% in the UK... 147,857 / 11,891,292 x 100 is 1.2%.

And that's based on confirmed positive cases when scientists have said all along the number is going to be a lot lot higher. They say every day the number is higher than that reported.

So with a very very high degree of confidence I can tell you it is definitely under 1%.