Coronavirus in sport

Here is a couple of questions for you all.
Social distancing and/or PPE will need to go on for a long time after all industry has returned. If (in the unlikely event) the Government put it to a public vote to grant football a special dispensation allowing personal contact between players (with conditions), how do you think the vote would go?
And how would you vote yourself?
 
Shoot said:
Here is a couple of questions for you all.
Social distancing and/or PPE will need to go on for a long time after all industry has returned. If (in the unlikely event) the Government put it to a public vote to grant football a special dispensation allowing personal contact between players (with conditions), how do you think the vote would go?
And how would you vote yourself?
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Assuming everyone had to vote probably be a no vote as I'd assume all non football fans would vote no and I'd say at a push 1/4 of people in the UK give a sh*t about football.

Personally I'd vote no if it's not safe to play it's not safe to play no footballer should be risking theirs and their families well being for a game of football if it isn't safe.

The football industry really is in big big trouble when you think about it hearing a few rumbles that the EFL clubs saying without fans they can't play and with no fans likely in the ground this year they're screwed.
 
This would just result in more questions, how come we are voting on whether football and footballers can carry on earning millions by ignoring social distancing, but I can't get on a tube, or I can't work in my call centre because we are not 2m etc. Probably bad examples but you get the point.
 
Not sure how I’d vote but the nation would vote with a resounding no. Non football fans can’t stand football fans and footballs sense of worth. Can’t stand the money involved, the drinking that goes with it and the hooligan behaviour in pubs that goes with that.
 
Would be a ridiculous vote. You are essentially saying to footballers, go out there and entertain us, there is a risk you may get the virus but hey ho.

No amount of conditions can make any game completely safe. And if you were a footballer would you want to play if there was a slight risk? I would hasten to guess no. Hell I am still going to be wary about going out even when lockdown restrictions are eased.
 
SuperRash said:
Would be a ridiculous vote. You are essentially saying to footballers, go out there and entertain us, there is a risk you may get the virus but hey ho.

No amount of conditions can make any game completely safe. And if you were a footballer would you want to play if there was a slight risk? I would hasten to guess no. Hell I am still going to be wary about going out even when lockdown restrictions are eased.
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No one presently going to work is completely safe, no one who will be returning to work soon when restrictions start to get lifted will be completely safe, no one going to the shops is completely safe, does the postman feel completely safe? The man in the local hardware shop? etc!
There is nothing will be completely safe for an extensive period of time, if indeed it ever was.
 
Not sure, I’ll ask the postman next time I see him. But he doesn’t seem the most friendly of chaps so may give it a miss.

My point was football is entertainment, it’s not even close to being an essential thing in our lives. We all enjoy it but I wouldn’t ask anyone who feels unsafe to risk their health. It must be the same for anyone, footballer or not.
 
The idea that the UK will sit still while the economy totally breaks down to crippling effect until such times as there is zero risk to 100% of the population is ludicrous.
It ain't gonna happen. That's it!

By the end of May the country will be a hive of activity.
 
Shoot said:
The idea that the UK will sit still while the economy totally breaks down to crippling effect until such times as there is zero risk to 100% of the population is ludicrous.
It ain't gonna happen. That's it!

By the end of May the country will be a hive of activity.
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I’m honestly not sure if you’re naive or obtuse.
 
Shoot said:
The idea that the UK will sit still while the economy totally breaks down to crippling effect until such times as there is zero risk to 100% of the population is ludicrous.
It ain't gonna happen. That's it!

By the end of May the country will be a hive of activity.
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If the country is a hive of activity by the end of this month then the second wave won’t be far away. Very naive to think any different.
 
SuperRash said:
If the country is a hive of activity by the end of this month then the second wave won’t be far away. Very naive to think any different.
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'hive of activity' - either shopping and going about normal life, or medical teams hauling bodies out by the dozens, stacking them like cordwood, etc. Seems like we have to define the win outcome a little better!
 
Cosmic Slop said:
'hive of activity' - either shopping and going about normal life, or medical teams hauling bodies out by the dozens, stacking them like cordwood, etc. Seems like we have to define the win outcome a little better!
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By that I mean much industry shall have returned to work (but not back to normal) and there will be big efforts made to reboot the economy. The breakout has already started, I see a significant change in the last week or so to when the lock down started, more people on my high st in the daytime, more traffic on the roads, some of the stalls even set up on our Wednesday market this week. Businesses / industries are plotting their strategy to get folk back to work soon and in my opinion we are about to change strategy to social distancing and PPE to bring us out of lock down.
For the benefit of doubt, I personally am not advocating coming out of lock down anytime soon, but i do believe the curve will be having a steep decline by the end of May and it will be time to be thinking about it. Regarding a second wave, I do believe their will be one but not to the disastrous scale you appear to be predicting and not even close to what we have seen here since early March.
This is not nice to think about but it is my opinion. The Governments strategy was to ensure our health service was not overwhelmed. The virus was to be slowed down so as it was manageable. Deaths were to be expected, and more deaths will be both expected and accepted as part of the process. As i said before, there is still an element of herd immunity mentality and people are to a degree considered expendable, and will be to get the economy rebooted.
This Government committed to pay 80% of the country's wage bill for 3 months as well as hand out unrepayable grants and repayable loans to the tune of feck knows what. You can be sure that with the strong downward curve by the end of this month they will be looking to make that 2 months for most and reduce the perceived cost of all this. People will be charged with being responsible in protecting themselves and others as we come out of lock down with the emphasis on PPE and distancing.
Sports such as footbal in my opinion will be back by June, behind closed doors.
As previously stated, any notion some may have of the country standing still until such times as it is totally safe for everyone just isnt going to happen. You watch.
 
My partner works for a top 500 law firm. Yesterday she was told she won’t be allowed back in the office until 2021.

One of my football team mates is the FD for the company that owns two of the UK’s major food outlets their forecast earnings for June is 0.

I don’t think the country can afford to stand still but the second wave of a pandemic often kills more than the first and rushing people back to work will make the last two months pointless we may as well have not done any of it.

And at the end of the day football is just a game. It isn’t worth risking a single life over. I applaud your optimism but we aren’t getting back to the point where 250,000 people are going through Waterloo in the morning for a year. This isn’t a short term stop gap normal life is changing for the foreseeable.
 
I have never said we will be back to normal, that's a million miles away but the lock down will largely be over and the emphasis will largely be on rebuilding the economy.
Anyone working for a law firm probably doesn't need to be in an office, they can work remotely so that's means jack shit and who gives a toss about F&Bs or Wagamama's?
The second wave will be nothing like what we have seen as people will naturally take precaution to protect themselves with distancing and hygiene measures. Not only that it will likely largely go unnoticed, as it will not be widely reported. There will be no daily updates like we get now. It will be kept low key.
 
Whilst no one cares about them it’s an indicator are on how the big chains are thinking and they aren’t expecting any of their stores to be opening in the next 2 months. Unsure how you can’t see the importance of that in this conversation.

How you expect the second wave to go unnoticed is absurd. They’re expecting it to be as bad as the first wave especially if as you suggest people attempt to live a normal life but you seem to think no one gonna notice. You need to accept that Corona isn’t going to up and vanish from your life in the next 6 weeks.
 
Everybody knows that the hospitality industry, pubs, restaurants etc will be among the last to commence trading. Like I said they don't matter in the context of this conversation.
You my boy are a fruit and nut case.
 
You say the nation will be a hive of activity with everyone returning to work by the end of the month. I point out 2 major companies that forecast no return to work until July. You say they don’t matter. Yet I’m the ‘fruit and nut case’ I’m not your boy and you can drop the condescending tone because I disagree with your disillusioned idea of reality. You say things like ‘football will be back by June’ and I disagree with nonsense like that.

You also stated they’ll be looking to commit to only 2 months by the end of May. At which point it’ll already be 3. The JRS scheme is backdated to the first of March.
 
Shoot said:
I have never said we will be back to normal, that's a million miles away but the lock down will largely be over and the emphasis will largely be on rebuilding the economy.
Anyone working for a law firm probably doesn't need to be in an office, they can work remotely so that's means jack shit and who gives a toss about F&Bs or Wagamama's?
The second wave will be nothing like what we have seen as people will naturally take precaution to protect themselves with distancing and hygiene measures. Not only that it will likely largely go unnoticed, as it will not be widely reported. There will be no daily updates like we get now. It will be kept low key.
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Of course a second wave would be reported. A second wave could be as deadly, we are still getting hundreds of deaths and new infections each day and this is despite lockdown measures. You need to get a grip with reality.
 
SuperRash said:
Of course a second wave would be reported. A second wave could be as deadly, we are still getting hundreds of deaths and new infections each day and this is despite lockdown measures. You need to get a grip with reality.
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Yes but will we be at the end of May? I suspect not. One thing you need to get sorted in your head is this - deaths will be considered an acceptable consequence in the process of getting the economy rebooted. It's not nice, but that's how it works.
Just because folk don't agree with that is not a cause to be getting shirty. If IDFD were here now I would give him a bop on the nose from 2 metres.
And I didn't sat EVERYONE would be back at work by end of May. He makes it up as he goes along. Opens his gob and lets his belly rumble.
 
IDFD said:
You say the nation will be a hive of activity with everyone returning to work by the end of the month. I point out 2 major companies that forecast no return to work until July. You say they don’t matter. Yet I’m the ‘fruit and nut case’ I’m not your boy and you can drop the condescending tone because I disagree with your disillusioned idea of reality. You say things like ‘football will be back by June’ and I disagree with nonsense like that.

You also stated they’ll be looking to commit to only 2 months by the end of May. At which point it’ll already be 3. The JRS scheme is backdated to the first of March.
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If you are going to throw shit around you should be prepared to take some back sonny boy.
I did not say EVERYONE will be returning to work. Yes I think football will be back by June, time will tell. What does the JRS being backdated to the 1st of March actually mean? Anybody who's employment was under threat due to Covid 19 on 1st March please put their hands up. Who at that stage had been given notice of redundacy due to it?
 
Football or any other sport is probably on the same time line as pubs and bars in terms of opening up again it’ll be one of the last things to go back because of the issue of social distancing which is the only way to control the virus. They probably also need to understand more about the reliability of the testing and the effect it has on those who’ve had it.

One thing not being talked about is currently it seems to be much more fatal to men than women last time I saw the stats it was basically 2/3 men 1/3 women in terms of death. Professional athletes are also vulnerable to viruses because the intense training weakens their immune system but given their age they are not in the at risk group if they got the virus.

When this stuff first hit we were told it was months not weeks so not expecting much to change next week most of the businesses that were permitted to remain open but decided to close have started to open again. DIY stores, construction sector etc.
 
Shoot said:
If you are going to throw shit around you should be prepared to take some back sonny boy.
I did not say EVERYONE will be returning to work. Yes I think football will be back by June, time will tell. What does the JRS being backdated to the 1st of March actually mean? Anybody who's employment was under threat due to Covid 19 on 1st March please put their hands up. Who at that stage had been given notice of redundacy due to it?
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He has an opinion, as do you. Stop with the attitude.
 
Shoot said:
Yes but will we be at the end of May? I suspect not. One thing you need to get sorted in your head is this - deaths will be considered an acceptable consequence in the process of getting the economy rebooted. It's not nice, but that's how it works.
Just because folk don't agree with that is not a cause to be getting shirty. If IDFD were here now I would give him a bop on the nose from 2 metres.
And I didn't sat EVERYONE would be back at work by end of May. He makes it up as he goes along. Opens his gob and lets his belly rumble.
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I suspect there will still be hundreds of infections/deaths a day until the end of May - as sad as if maybe. Although no-one can say categorically that will be the case. Italy are still seeing a few hundred deaths a day, as are Spain.
 
SuperRash said:
I suspect there will still be hundreds of infections/deaths a day until the end of May - as sad as if maybe. Although no-one can say categorically that will be the case. Italy are still seeing a few hundred deaths a day, as are Spain.
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Hospital admissions are dropping. There are only a handful of patients in the London Nightingale hospital and they are considering closing it soon. The other makeshift hospitals around the country are completely empty. All hospitals still have have capacity for further patients.
I expect a big decline in new cases by the end of the month.
 
Shoot said:
Yes but will we be at the end of May? I suspect not. One thing you need to get sorted in your head is this - deaths will be considered an acceptable consequence in the process of getting the economy rebooted. It's not nice, but that's how it works.
Just because folk don't agree with that is not a cause to be getting shirty. If IDFD were here now I would give him a bop on the nose from 2 metres.
And I didn't sat EVERYONE would be back at work by end of May. He makes it up as he goes along. Opens his gob and lets his belly rumble.
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You seem unnecessarily argumentative. I don't understand why. I was on a couple of other football sites and those message boards were similarly filled with people being abusive for no reason, just picking fights randomly. I left those places. I think you don't see how good it is to have a forum where people are calm and reasoned, even while disagreeing with each other. I know the mods are big boys and can take care of themselves but I thought it might have more impact hearing it from another random member like me. If you can, just chill out. It's too taxing to read your comments when you're throwing bombs the whole time.
 
Those nightingale hospitals seem to have been a bit of a waste of time built them but didn’t have enough extra staff to run them I assumed the plan was to send covid patients in big cities there rather than to normal hospitals to ease the pressure on them.

Think we need to see the numbers drop a lot before restrictions ease as NHS has been operating in crisis mode for 2 months they need some breathing space to let staff return to something like normality and go into the next stage which is living with covid. Need to build the PPE stockpiles if a second wave comes they must be better protected.
 
Cosmic Slop said:
You seem unnecessarily argumentative. I don't understand why. I was on a couple of other football sites and those message boards were similarly filled with people being abusive for no reason, just picking fights randomly. I left those places. I think you don't see how good it is to have a forum where people are calm and reasoned, even while disagreeing with each other. I know the mods are big boys and can take care of themselves but I thought it might have more impact hearing it from another random member like me. If you can, just chill out. It's too taxing to read your comments when you're throwing bombs the whole time.
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I will give your comments due consideration, however I was told i was naive, obtuse, and talk total shit, without any provocation whatsoever so I fought back a bit.
Other than that I seem to have different views on how and when we will come out of lock down to pretty much everyone on here. That can be debated without throwing comments like the above around the place.
Time will tell who's vision was correct on how this plays out. If you ask me IDFD likes a bit of a barney rubble. I don't mind to be honest but if you give it you take it.
 
Shoot said:
Hospital admissions are dropping. There are only a handful of patients in the London Nightingale hospital and they are considering closing it soon. The other makeshift hospitals around the country are completely empty. All hospitals still have have capacity for further patients.
I expect a big decline in new cases by the end of the month.
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It would be amazing to see a massive decline by the end of the month but there was 4,800 new reported cases today and nearly 15,000 are still in hospitals - this is not even taking into account people riding it out at home. Obviously the situation is better but if the country gets complacent then the second wave is going to be just as bad.
 
Shoot said:
If you are going to throw shit around you should be prepared to take some back sonny boy.
I did not say EVERYONE will be returning to work. Yes I think football will be back by June, time will tell. What does the JRS being backdated to the 1st of March actually mean? Anybody who's employment was under threat due to Covid 19 on 1st March please put their hands up. Who at that stage had been given notice of redundacy due to it?
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In the events industry the first round of redundancies happened in the second week of March w/c 09/03. It was one of my criticisms of the Government at the time in that they didn't react quickly enough and that they weren't doing enough to protect peoples jobs but they righted that wrong. This is little of importance to that except your point was they'd want to get people back to work to keep the money down to only 2 months. However they've since extended it to the end of June instead of the initially scheduled end of May so they're actually going the opposite way to the way you suggest. As I said yesterday i'm fingers crossed that you're correct in everything you say and time will tell and if in 29 days we've had the first round of premier league games I'll quote this post and apologize. I just don't see a single way it happens. 300 people gathering together for the sole purpose of entertainment just isn't important enough. On top of that I think they'd have to be back in training properly Monday to have any chance of being match fit in 4 weeks time. Roy Hodgson has said teams will need a preseason of sorts again.
 
IDFD said:
and if in 29 days we've had the first round of premier league games I'll quote this post and apologize
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You continue to try and manipulate what I say into something different.
I said i believe football will re-commence in June. Not within 29 days.
Also I do not and will not need an apology as I have never been offended in the first place.
 
Okay. You said 'by june' numerous times and used 'end of may' as an important time phase other times. I'm the one who changes the goalpost though.

As I said fingers crossed your hopes of optimism are well founded. The death toll was in the 600 hundreds yesterday. It's far too early for any of this.

Back to more fun in sport. On the BBC tomorrow at 3. England vs Argentina 2002! World Cup Rewind - watch England v Argentina from 2002 World Cup
 

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