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Ooooh an unknown possible signing. These always intrigue me.

After watching that YouTube video for a couple of minutes I have come to the conclusion he is going to be world class. Sign him up!
 
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God strewth, another rookie defender to add to Joses other useless buy (so far).
We've got TFM to play there as well. Not the first signing I was hoping for
 
Red Warrior said:
God strewth, another rookie defender to add to Joses other useless buy (so far).
We've got TFM to play there as well. Not the first signing I was hoping for
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Not every signing is a superstar signing but sure this signing hasn’t been done on a whim, he’s been scouted extensively no doubt. Done a little bit of research on him and seems like Porto fans are really bigging this guy up. These sorts of deals can turn into masterstrokes and in this climate £17.5m is positively cheap.

Also where is this notion come from that TFM will be a right back option next season? He played there a bit at Palace but he was dropped in favour of a rookie and didn’t get his place back.
 
I prefer the unknown signings to the big names, suggests some work has been done by the scouting department. It’s what we used to do so well with likes of Hernandez and Ronaldo. It’s easy to pick out players like Pogba and Sanchez, you need those too but big names don’t always fit. I’ve read some very promising things about Dalot so let’s not write him off.

Fosu Mensah should not be a right back in the long term. A great defender but won’t add enough going forward which is what we need at the club, big clubs need attacking full backs, the lesser clubs play narrow and deep meaning the centre is very congested with wide forwards cutting in, we need attacking full backs. TFM’s future is surely in the centre of the pitch, most likely as a defender.
 
Never heard of him but that’s not surprising these days for me hopefully the club have done there homework and he’s ready to go straight away last thing we need is another Luke Shaw situation young kid who struggles to adapt.

Fact he’s played at Porto helps lots of pressure on you at that club.
 
What worries me most about this potential signing is that Dalot will be back up to Valencia, who will again be first choice.
 
Yeah that is frustrating but perhaps Valencia can perform better with more rest. He was knackered come January and it was only the 2nd half of the season he really went downhill I thought. Darmian and Shaw came in to the team a few times at the end of the season to give him more rest but that should have been done in 1st half of season too. At least the issue has been recognised. Hopefully rotation will help him.
 
Even if Valencia has some rest then I still don’t think he should be first choice. I think he’s lost that burst of speed and it’s hamstringing the side because as soon as it goes over to the right the play slows. Where as if we can get a right back in who can make those bursting runs beyond the defence, it’ll improve us no end. I am more than happy for Valencia to be a back up because he can still do a job but we need to look beyond him.
 
I'll be honest... I have very little opinion about this. I mean I don't really know anything about him, he's a right back when we need a left back more and he's young so Jose will waste him. So I guess that's how I feel about it.
 
Reading a bit more about him only played a handful of first team games so sound like he’s coming into to rotate with Valencia before taking over.

Apparently Porto aren’t happy that he’s leaving they’ve been trying to renew his deal to increase his buyout before putting him in as first choice this season.
 
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I’ve read he’s played more at left back for Porto’s first team as their first choice was injured but is a right back and has played for first team there too. He was up against Mane in the 0-0 against Liverpool and played a big part in the game against Sporting too. One of the standouts in youth football from U17s up. Porto are struggling with FFP and are livid at losing him for so little.

I agree SuperRash that Valencia needs replacing but more regular rest can help if he isn’t to be replaced and he won’t be as he’s going to be captain with Carrick retired. There were rumours that he was struggling with a persistent knee issue too from before the start of last season, I’m not sure if that’s improved but with him missing more games towards the end of the season I’d imagine it hasn’t so it’s strange that we’re not replacing him. Of course if we’re getting a LB in, Young becomes more available as a right back option and Mourinho has said he could play 50 times next season.
 
Yeah he apparently covered at LB when the team had injuries but plays all his football in the B team and at national level at right back.

I think towards the end Valencia was becoming a bit of a liability especially in games where we needed him to get forward he just didn't have the legs.

It's a tough league to learn in if he does come here.
 
So let me get this straight, were buying a 19 year old right back who has played 6 games for Porto I think I read, and he will be back up to Valencia.

We have 19/20 year old Fosu Mensah who has about 10 United first team appearances and not put a foot wrong, went to Palace and made 21 appearances in the league and a further 3 in the cup, comes back ready to compete and we buy some unknown kid to put ahead of him in the pecking order.

Top one Jose
 
Edgy1968 said:
So let me get this straight, were buying a 19 year old right back who has played 6 games for Porto I think I read, and he will be back up to Valencia.

We have 19/20 year old Fosu Mensah who has about 10 United first team appearances and not put a foot wrong, went to Palace and made 21 appearances in the league and a further 3 in the cup, comes back ready to compete and we buy some unknown kid to put ahead of him in the pecking order.

Top one Jose
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Writing is on the wall for young Timmy by the sound of it.

He was unlucky at Palace with the mangerial change then that youngster coming in and establishing himself in the team but there were a few rumours that TFM wasn't the most focused of players. My concern would be if he's the real deal why hasn't he walked into that Palace team every game like Loftus-Cheek did when he was fit? The competition at right back wasn't particularly impressive at Palace but he always seemed to be the 2nd choice. Could just be the way Hodgson wanted to play or that Hodgson preferred to use his own players rather than loan players. It's a shame as the reports of his performances on the pitch were largely positive I watched him when they held City to a draw and he dominated Sane for 90 minutes which is something not many full backs did this season.

That said maybe he goes on loan again next season gets 30-40 games under his belt somewhere then Valencia retires/leaves in 12 months time and we've got 2 really top young full backs?

TFM I think might start to suffer from the John O'Shea issue is jack of all trades master on none it's time for him to decide is a he a RB, CB or CM and he might have to make the brave move and ask to leave Utd to kick start his career. I've always been pretty impressed with him so hopefully things work out for him but it seems like Tuenzebe was Mourinho's favourite young defender rather than Fosu-Mensah.
 
I think its a good signing and shows that Jose is planning ahead and the kid can play both left and right back. Valencia and Young can alternate at RB whilst Jose picks and chooses when to play the kid and hopefully in two seasons he will be ready to be a starter, kinda like how Fergie planned for Rafael to step up. Not looking for an immediate impact but long term is acceptable in this instance because Valencia and Young are serviceable atm.
 
To be honest never seen anything to say TFM attitude is in question, all his twitter is charity work, helping out young kids, does loads for it, the messages he got from Palace fans was ridiculous, thanking him, wishing him well, saying how well he done.

Again Hodgson is not really one for kids, go with older experienced pro's, which is fair enough but reading the feedback from his time there, Palace fans have nothing but great things to say about him and what he has done there.

In the Dutch squad on a regular basis as well now, made 2 or 3 appearances from them.

Jose aint it though, he has his favs and then no matter what anyone does they just don't get a look in, seen that with Shaw. Another loan will probably be the best thing but if I'm him and some kid who doesn't even have a whoscored profile comes in ahead of him, I would be raging, just hope we don't lose him because he will be a quality RB, has everything needed.
 
The one thing it does do is worry me that Valencia will be 1st choice again next season.
 
I think the allegations were not about his personality seems a lovely lad popular with fans and other players it was more that he maybe didn't take his football as serious as he needs to and needed a regular kick up the backside to remind him he hadn't made it yet.

He was a bit unlucky at Palace as I think Hodgson first game was against us so he couldn't play and their regular right back was fit again and did ok so staryed in then that young kid played the return fixture and had a good game so they stuck with him to the end of the season.

@Edgy1968 most of the reporting is that Jose wanted a first choice left back this summer and a backup right back as he felt Valencia had 1 more season in him. My guess is if this kid comes in we will see a lot more rotation next season we have 2 games a week so my guess is it'll be 1 game each but I think the rest of his back 4 will hopefully be much more settled.
 
Yeah maybe mate, if his attitude re his football is lacking then fair enough, when he plays he just seems to have everything you could ever want from a young full back but as I say thats just my opinion which pretty much means squat in the face of it as you have no idea what goes on behind closed doors.

One of my mates sent a thing through from a Porto season ticket holder who is saying they reckon we have an absolute steal, reckons he will be one of the best right backs in world football in a few years and is rated extremely highly in Portugal, time will tell I guess.
 
Edgy1968 said:
Yeah maybe mate, if his attitude re his football is lacking then fair enough, when he plays he just seems to have everything you could ever want from a young full back but as I say thats just my opinion which pretty much means squat in the face of it as you have no idea what goes on behind closed doors.

One of my mates sent a thing through from a Porto season ticket holder who is saying they reckon we have an absolute steal, reckons he will be one of the best right backs in world football in a few years and is rated extremely highly in Portugal, time will tell I guess.
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Maybe mourinho doesn’t see TFM as a right back. Maybe he sees him as a RCB and an understudy to smalling.
 
As I said, TFM would be wasted at RB. Whether he’ll be good enough to make it at United in the centre is another question but he’ll surely play centrally for someone in the long term. I think De Boer signed him to play in a back 3 but obviously that wasn’t to be. Palace were well within their right to pick their own promising youngster over ours, he was a better attacker than TFM too. I think once they were safe they were looking at next season and that doesn’t involve TFM.
 
I remember his games in America last year, they played him as DMC and Pereira in the No. 8 role and the pair of them were superb, remember watching TFM against Madrid I think it was and he was a nightmare for Kroos and whoever else played CM that day, every time I see him play I'm hugely impressed, they reckon his best position is DMC but with Fred coming in and Matic, I can't see him getting much game time there.

Not sure I can see Jose giving him a crack at CB, hope I'm wrong. Pre season tour will be interesting to see what kids he brings, with the World Cup be good to see Gomes, Chong, Pereira, TFM, Tuanzebe given a few games.
 
I remember his games in America last year, they played him as DMC and Pereira in the No. 8 role and the pair of them were superb, remember watching TFM against Madrid I think it was and he was a nightmare for Kroos and whoever else played CM that day, every time I see him play I'm hugely impressed, they reckon his best position is DMC but with Fred coming in and Matic, I can't see him getting much game time there.

Not sure I can see Jose giving him a crack at CB, hope I'm wrong. Pre season tour will be interesting to see what kids he brings, with the World Cup be good to see Gomes, Chong, Pereira, TFM, Tuanzebe given a few games.
 
Edgy1968 said:
I remember his games in America last year, they played him as DMC and Pereira in the No. 8 role and the pair of them were superb, remember watching TFM against Madrid I think it was and he was a nightmare for Kroos and whoever else played CM that day, every time I see him play I'm hugely impressed, they reckon his best position is DMC but with Fred coming in and Matic, I can't see him getting much game time there.

Not sure I can see Jose giving him a crack at CB, hope I'm wrong. Pre season tour will be interesting to see what kids he brings, with the World Cup be good to see Gomes, Chong, Pereira, TFM, Tuanzebe given a few games.
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i think CB is his long term role because his passing is not good enough for a midfield role whilst in attack he is average for a top class CB. With Jose its all in the mentality because what he wants is a self motivating and focused player so if he and Pereira can show Jose that they can get by without needing to be handheld then they will get their chances. I think a move to CB will benefit Fosu Mensah more because thats where we have our most injury prone players and Rojo looks a shadow of himself after injury whereas Mourinho has too many areas to strengthen to buy more than one CB.
 
To be fair I think Pereira has proven he doesnt need to be handheld with the fact that he has shone in La Liga for two years on the bounce, I think if he can play CM and have a great game in the Bernabeu then he can defo do it in the Premier League. A lot of these boys have done their learning/hard work all about giving them some trust and a chance.

Don't want us turning into Chelsea where we have loans galore, great youth set up but a manager who won't give the young players the chance they need.

McTominey obviously being the only one to have broken through under Jose so far.
 
Edgy1968 said:
To be fair I think Pereira has proven he doesnt need to be handheld with the fact that he has shone in La Liga for two years on the bounce, I think if he can play CM and have a great game in the Bernabeu then he can defo do it in the Premier League. A lot of these boys have done their learning/hard work all about giving them some trust and a chance.

Don't want us turning into Chelsea where we have loans galore, great youth set up but a manager who won't give the young players the chance they need.

McTominey obviously being the only one to have broken through under Jose so far.
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It all depends on Jose bt if it were up to me I would integrate him in the side from the wings and see how he adapts to the demands of first team football first.
 
This kids reputation is huge and by all accounts Porto are gutted they're losing him but if he joins we have to find a way of nurturing that talent because we've seen with Shaw & Zaha that this isn't the right place for everyone to make that step to the next level but I'd say both of those were unlucky on the timing of their arrival.

I'd hope we've done the homework on him and feel he's got the right attitude to kick on and he's mature enough to handle the move to another country and we give him time to develop. Putting him alongside Valencia for a season to me makes a lot of sense one of the mistakes with Shaw was signing him and letting Evra go I think having that senior guy who competes with you drives you on and if the senior guy has the right attitude he will point out things you are doing wrong and little tricks of the trade.

Seems mad that 20m euro is what it costs for a full back who doesn't have any first team experience but I guess if he signed that new deal at Porto he's the sort of guy they'd be trying to sell for 50m euro in 2 years time.
 
Yeah doing the research on him first would make a nice change as we seem to have gone from doing that, to just buying ready made stars who don't fit the requirements of the club, fingers crossed he fulfills his potential and is our right back for years to come, we really seem to struggle when it comes to developing young talent and helping them reach their potential.
 
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