David De Gea | Match Discussion thread 2020/21

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Credited with 6 saves today (I didn't feel like that) and some outlets gave him motm.

Didn't feel that great a performance aside from one excellent save but hopefully that's the rut of feeling like everyone shot on target went in done with and he can find a bit of form.
 
jsp said:
Sort of a meaningless stat unless you review each goal and say he should have saved that.

Of the recent goals should he have saved any of them?
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Arguably should have done better with 2 of the Everton ones. Newcastle one he had no chance and some tried to blame him for the West Brom one but I don't see it at all.
 
IDFD said:
Arguably should have done better with 2 of the Everton ones. Newcastle one he had no chance and some tried to blame him for the West Brom one but I don't see it at all.
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The equaliser yes but the first goal he has now chance because of his error.

Thought yesterday he was alright but his kicking was poor and has been quite a bit recently.

Even the save he made from Ziyech was a save you'd expect the majority of keepers to make.
 
Reports are he’s gone back to Spain for personal reasons his wife is expecting their first child.

Some stories suggesting he will miss the next 6 games and won’t return until after the international break at the end of the month.

Huge chance for Henderson if he can take it.
 
Reports are PSG want him this summer.
 
I think Ole has created a problem at the GK position. For a start he should never have flip flopped between them. And then to start DDG in the final I think he's created a longer term issue. I think Henderson will be finishing and may well want out after being snubbed. But the reality is DDG shouldn't be the number one and should be sold this summer.
 
RichH2016 said:
I think Ole has created a problem at the GK position. For a start he should never have flip flopped between them. And then to start DDG in the final I think he's created a longer term issue. I think Henderson will be finishing and may well want out after being snubbed. But the reality is DDG shouldn't be the number one and should be sold this summer.
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I guess the problem is, neither are good enough. De Gea had been playing E.L. while Henderson was on P.L. duty. Harsh to change him. But he should have just before the pens. There is talk barca are willing to sell Stegen.
 
Mr C said:
I guess the problem is, neither are good enough. De Gea had been playing E.L. while Henderson was on P.L. duty. Harsh to change him. But he should have just before the pens. There is talk barca are willing to sell Stegen.
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Thing is... If United sell DDG this summer then what on earth was that decision about?
 
Not really going to hammer him after last night they took 11 good pens and sadly De Gea was our guy who missed but he’s no there to take pens.

Thought generally he was fine on the night had one iffy moment with a kick that was a scuff but apart from that a quiet night for him.

Currently I think Utd have got 2 good but not great keepers and that’s a problem for them as it creates uncertainty around who is the number 1 and both are very well paid.

I feel like Utd have to let 1 go this summer then buy a top class keeper next summer and let the other one go.
 
His scuffed kick was in a real poor period of a few minutes in our half that led to their goal.

He had nothing to do really, so can't judge him on the match. Should never have had him in goal for penalties. He's not saved one since 2016. He never looks like he's going to save one either.
 
RichH2016 said:
I think Ole has created a problem at the GK position. For a start he should never have flip flopped between them. And then to start DDG in the final I think he's created a longer term issue. I think Henderson will be finishing and may well want out after being snubbed. But the reality is DDG shouldn't be the number one and should be sold this summer.
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Henderson played himself out of the final with poor performances. Have you not watched recent United games?

De Gea played himself in to the final with his performance against Rome.
 
Mr C said:
His scuffed kick was in a real poor period of a few minutes in our half that led to their goal.

He had nothing to do really, so can't judge him on the match. Should never have had him in goal for penalties. He's not saved one since 2016. He never looks like he's going to save one either.
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Is Henderson or Grant good at saving pens though?

Could be as simple that all our keepers are quite poor at saving pens.
 
not sure, they did mention that since De Gea saved his last pen in 2016, Henderson has saved 6. But for me, that stat needs the addistion of many they have faced each.
 
Mr C said:
not sure, they did mention that since De Gea saved his last pen in 2016, Henderson has saved 6. But for me, that stat needs the addistion of many they have faced each.
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Think it’s 35 in a row he’s conceded in games not including shoot outs.

He saved one vs Palace this season but it had to be retaken as he’d moved about an inch from his line.

Every stat requires context i don’t remember any that he should have got close to last night they took good penalties especially the guys who took the later ones just slotting them top corner you’ve got no chance.

It felt like to win that shootout someone for them needed to miss the target as De Gea was never saving one.
 
But he doesn't look like saving them is what I mean, if I'm the forward, I feel like I've won the mental battle before I've put the ball on the spot.
 
Petr Cech had a similar record barely saved any pens in his career.

It’s a bit of a specialist thing there’s some very average keepers who save loads of pens like Krul or there was a Spanish guy called Diego Lopez who had a crazy record for saving pens.

I think as a keeper you are relying on the opponent to take a bad penalty if they hit it in the corners at speed you have almost no chance of getting to them unless you go really early and if you do that these players just adjust and go middle.

Last night with no crowd I think the pressure was off that’s why we saw such a high quality of penalties.

Think we had one dodgy one from Shaw that snuck in plus De Gea but they took 11 good pens.
 
When I was a boy, Ipswich keeper, Paul Cooper, never seen a better pen keeper.
 
I think too much is being made of his performance in the shootout. VdS didn't come anywhere near any of Chelsea's pens in Moscow, and pretty much went the wrong way until Anelka. Still, neither DdG or Henderson fill me with confidence right now, however I'd rather spend the money elsewhere than on an Oblak/Donnarumma. DdG is probably worth more to a foreign club, and is on more per week, so sell him, play Henderson and reallocate the wages/fees in a CB.
 
Cruella ne Ville said:
I think too much is being made of his performance in the shootout. VdS didn't come anywhere near any of Chelsea's pens in Moscow, and pretty much went the wrong way until Anelka. Still, neither DdG or Henderson fill me with confidence right now, however I'd rather spend the money elsewhere than on an Oblak/Donnarumma. DdG is probably worth more to a foreign club, and is on more per week, so sell him, play Henderson and reallocate the wages/fees in a CB.
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I mean the problem they have is that they can't afford to go out and sign an expensive #1 as they have so many other needs.
 
O-Dog said:
What do you make of the reports that De Gea ignored the coaching notes provided for the penalty shootout?
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Think I read in the 3 he ignored he went the right way twice.
 
O-Dog said:
What do you make of the reports that De Gea ignored the coaching notes provided for the penalty shootout?
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What did the coaching notes advise?
1. Taker kicks ball
2. Try to prevent it crossing your goal line David
 
RichH2016 said:
I mean the problem they have is that they can't afford to go out and sign an expensive #1 as they have so many other needs.
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I'm glad you acknowledge they have so many on field needs. Probably not all on Ole then and any other manager coming in would instantly solve it.

Donnarumma available on a free though.
 
IDFD said:
I'm glad you acknowledge they have so many on field needs. Probably not all on Ole then and any other manager coming in would instantly solve it.

Donnarumma available on a free though.
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Should have been signed already. That guy is world class!
 
Mr C said:
not sure, they did mention that since De Gea saved his last pen in 2016, Henderson has saved 6. But for me, that stat needs the addistion of many they have faced each.
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In the time that De Gea has conceded 40 straight Henderson record is

Faced 17
Conceded 9
Saved 6
Missed target 2
 
there's a piece going around De Gea ignored the sheet marked up with penalty takers favoures sides
 
Macariman said:
What did the coaching notes advise?
1. Taker kicks ball
2. Try to prevent it crossing your goal line David
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It was standard stuff what foot they kick with, where they tend to put their penalty and if they try to stutter their run ups.

The only ones he ignored were the ones that said players like to go central I do think as a keeper with his reflexes when you get past the first 3 or 4 you're better off staying in the middle to try and save the bad pens or anyone who goes middle.

One of things Dave does is go early and good takers I think read that and just go the other way.
 
jsp said:
It was standard stuff what foot they kick with, where they tend to put their penalty and if they try to stutter their run ups.

The only ones he ignored were the ones that said players like to go central I do think as a keeper with his reflexes when you get past the first 3 or 4 you're better off staying in the middle to try and save the bad pens or anyone who goes middle.

One of things Dave does is go early and good takers I think read that and just go the other way.
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Oh, c'mon comrade, if DdG, isn't aware of all computations of how the strikers might take their penalties, with his experience, that's far far wrong. Let's not forget the heights that he has achieved in his career. Coaxing? Not buying that!
 
All keepers get a list of where the players are likely to go. Do you reckon De Gea has ever seen more than their main taker take a penalty before?
 
IDFD said:
All keepers get a list of where the players are likely to go. Do you reckon De Gea has ever seen more than their main taker take a penalty before?
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Penalties are a 1 on 1. Script writing mean nothing in that minimal period of time
 
Macariman said:
Oh, c'mon comrade, if DdG, isn't aware of all computations of how the strikers might take their penalties, with his experience, that's far far wrong. Let's not forget the heights that he has achieved in his career. Coaxing? Not buying that!
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Every keeper normally has notes on pen takers if there's possibly going be a shoot out. Years ago in a league cup final one of our coaches had an ipad to show the keeper (think it was Ben Foster) some clips before a shootout I think against Spurs.

How's he supposed to remember how 11 different people take a penalty a bit of paper you can check surely makes sense but it still comes down to a judgment. I imagine someone's had to dig pretty deep into an archive to find out where every Villareal player likes to take a penalty not like they're taking them every week.

Basically De Gea isn't a very good keeper to have in a shootout as he doesn't save many pens and he rarely even gets close to them so going forward we should probably try and get the job done in 90/120 minutes rather than go to pens which was clearly our tactic in extra time.

With him in goal you are hoping their player misses the target rather than De Gea saves one.
 
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