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The fingers also have to point at the government. They opened up Spain said people could go there and now change their mind.

They’ve cocked up at every possible avenue.
 
IDFD said:
The fingers also have to point at the government. They opened up Spain said people could go there and now change their mind.

They’ve cocked up at every possible avenue.
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They opened up Spain which was considered safer than the UK at the time. Then Brits and others go there and behave irresponsibly and the virus spikes. What the feck do people not understand about that.
Governments have little choice UK and Spain alike, to try and get things going again and the risks are known and understood. Individuals need to take responsibility.
 
If the government open things up and things spike because people are doing what the government are encouraged how can you then blame that on the people?

Where I live the R Rate has been confirmed as 0 for the third week running.
 
I am presently booking my accommodation to be on Anglesey from Thursday and over the weekend to Sunday. On Thursday I shall have a look around the Anglesey coast, On Friday morning I shall go up Snowdon and Friday evening and Saturday I shall be having a look around Colwyn Bay and LLandudno where my son will be joining me.
I shall do this without putting myself or others at risk by pathetic selfish behaviour. As I said, the other day I enjoyed lunch and a few beers in a restaurants open area, it was civilised and sensible and helps the restuarants recovery just as I will help the hotel in Wales as well as any other businesses were I choose to spend over the weekend. All done sensibly.
 
IDFD said:
If the government open things up and things spike because people are doing what the government are encouraged how can you then blame that on the people?

Where I live the R Rate has been confirmed as 0 for the third week running.
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You talk like people can be excused for abandoning common sense, in what for some is life or death situations.
 
I’m not excusing anyone. R Rates rising is also on the government.

To blame people for the governments ineptitude is poor form. It’s on both. The government have been inept and people haven’t been as sensible as could have been. But don’t in anyway use it to excuse this shit show of a government.
 
IDFD said:
I’m not excusing anyone. R Rates rising is also on the government.

To blame people for the governments ineptitude is poor form. It’s on both. The government have been inept and people haven’t been as sensible as could have been. But don’t in anyway use it to excuse this shit show of a government.
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As stated, everyone knows the risks that need to be taken to kick start the economy. It is up to the public to behave responsibly and many of them simply do not.
In this instance I am not blaming the Government at all. Things need to get moving again with control measures in place, especially now with the way Furlogh has being abused. The control measures are being ignored by many. What we supposed to do, close the country indefinitely?
Its up to folk to be sensible.
 
It’s up to the government to give people a clear and consistent message too. They’re changing it as they go along.

Next you’ll be excusing care home deaths.
 
IDFD said:
It’s up to the government to give people a clear and consistent message too. They’re changing it as they go along.

Next you’ll be excusing care home deaths.
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Care home deaths have nothing to do with this conversation, maybe you are trying to excuse yourself for going on the pish last night in amongst the crowd.
 
I haven’t been on the piss in and amongst the crowd. I spent last night in watching the darts semi final. Just pissed off at people ridiculously excusing the governments shit behaviour.

As I said the R rate around here is 0. We’re doing a cracking job at behaving. But the government guidelines have enabled the R rate to rise. Don’t try to pin everything on individuals to defend an awful government.
 
IDFD said:
I haven’t been on the piss in and amongst the crowd. I spent last night in watching the darts semi final. Just pissed off at people ridiculously excusing the governments shit behaviour.

As I said the R rate around here is 0. We’re doing a cracking job at behaving. But the government guidelines have enabled the R rate to rise. Don’t try to pin everything on individuals to defend an awful government.
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So you clearly think we should all still be in lockdown and the country should not be taking steps at recovery. Yes?
 
I think you’ve got to accept the R-Rate is going to rise. You can’t bleat on about the economy but then be annoyed at the people going out and spending money.

Unless people go out opening up matters not a single bit. You cherishing not staying locked up to boost the economy then having a go at the people that are beginning to prop up the economy. Ridiculous joke.

You’re the one blaming people for being out when they’ve been enabled to. What do you want? The government to open things up but people to not actually do anything. Unless people go to pubs and bars there is no point to them opening. And unless they’re busy there is still no point as these pubs are now having to employ more people.

You've perfectly fallen in to the governments trap of looking to blame individuals instead of being held accountable. Played like a fiddle.
 
Yer talking shite. Allowing you political preferences to influence your opinion
I didn't say folk should not go out, it's how they behave and conduct themselves when they are out that makes the difference.
 
I’m not the one being blind to the fact the government have been inept throughout.
 
No, I have been as vocal as anyone regarding the governments handling of this. However we are not talking about throughout, we are talking about the situation presently and you are simply allowing your political leanings to influence your opinion. Simple as that.
 
Haven’t the spikes in Spain been in cities rather than in the coastal areas where most tourists are?

We rely on governments to set standards if they say it’s safe to travel then the average person will feel safe to travel that shouldn’t be put on the individual.
 
jsp said:
Haven’t the spikes in Spain been in cities rather than in the coastal areas where most tourists are?

We rely on governments to set standards if they say it’s safe to travel then the average person will feel safe to travel that shouldn’t be put on the individual.
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ffs, we all know there is a degree of risk in pretty much everything we do at present and that caution should be exercised and the guidance followed such as social distancing. The government has never said it is safe they have simply allowed folk the choice and urged they follow guidelines when they do what they are doing.
It's on all individuals to show common sense and show caution. Are you telling me that if you caught Covid sometime soon you would blame the government?
 
So, we now have our first confirmed pet animal case. Someones cat has been confirmed positive. I suppose the government will be advising all pets to wash their paws and use a 3 ply mussle
 
jsp said:
Haven’t the spikes in Spain been in cities rather than in the coastal areas where most tourists are?

We rely on governments to set standards if they say it’s safe to travel then the average person will feel safe to travel that shouldn’t be put on the individual.
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So, how does this work then. The government always said when lifting travel restrictions that things may change again if R rates changes. The R rate in Spain doubled and then trebled in the space of days.
The government acts and the British public and holiday companies start creating hell about it! So who is it that is setting the standards with this pandemic?
 
Yes the government always said the restrictions could change. I don’t know why people are so surprised
 
Yeah restriction would change. However there are countries on the welcome in list that have a higher rate than Spain. We're still welcoming in people from the US ffs. The government have messed up on this from the get go.

You can only blame people when they're going against the government advice. If the R rate is rising but people are following the government advice that's not on the people. And they will try to make it out like it is. Just like Shoot is and just like Berba is. Let's not fall in to the trap of blaming people for the Governments ineptitude in the coming months.

It was always going to happen that eventually the government would put it on the people and their voters would follow though. Because eventually you'll lay the blame at the people for the excess deaths instead of a shit parliament that you voted for.
 
Shoot said:
So who is it that is setting the standards with this pandemic?
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Dominic Cummings. And the Government needed to ease lock-down quicker than wanted because of his feck up. You know it. I know it. Distraction technique 101.
 
I just think this tough approach now is a reaction to their weak approach at the start they know the public think they’ve messed this up from day one so now they are trying to be tough.

Just feel bad for those who’ve taken holidays not given a chance to get home surely for those outside of hot spots they should get home and get tested pass your test and it’s back to work.

Travel companies must be bricking it this summer will surely see loads of them go under.
 
the British goverment has jumped from glorious error to error.

To allow people from the USA but not Spain is laughable. The tough stance on Brexit negotiations means they now have to cow tow to Trump. Why Boris is insisting it's all done by Dec 2020 when there has been a pandemic, I don't get.

Bugs me, because the pound drops every month :D
 
I think they've actually stopped it now but we were the last country to stop American's entering and we kept are airports open in the first place to appease Trump to make his inaction not look so bad. And only stopped when Trump ended inbound flights from the UK.

We've aligned ourselves with America to tag along on their coat tails which means we have to follow suit with them even when it doesn't suit us.

As for Brexit. The UK have to play hardball. We tried going down the soft route it hasn't worked and the Europeans aren't negotiating with us they're saying this is it take it or leave it. There is no willingness to find middle ground from them. I like the way the conseratives are handling brexit and glad it's a brexiteer in power whilst it's happening and not someone offering up a soft brexit to Europe.
 
Mr C said:
the British goverment has jumped from glorious error to error.

To allow people from the USA but not Spain is laughable. The tough stance on Brexit negotiations means they now have to cow tow to Trump. Why Boris is insisting it's all done by Dec 2020 when there has been a pandemic, I don't get.

Bugs me, because the pound drops every month :D
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Well you get yourself down to the relevant office and get your French residency permit renewed and stay there. That will keep you nice and close to Brussels and you wont need to worry about it.
Get Brexit done! :cool:
 
he's not a Brexiteer, he changed his mind to suit his personal agenda.

I'm not saying don't play hard ball, I'm saying take the pandemic into consideration.

And the EU say different, they say the UK has changed its position. Who knows, who cares, I just want the pound to pick up
 
Shoot said:
Well you get yourself down to the relevant office and get your French residency permit renewed and stay there. That will keep you nice and close to Brussels and you wont need to worry about it.
Get Brexit done! :cool:
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had the permit for years.
 
I very much doubt boris Johnson is a brexiteer other than when it suits him to be. Let's be honest his agenda was always to be PM and to stay PM and he would throw anybody, however close to him, under the bus to achieve that.
 
boothstownred said:
I very much doubt boris Johnson is a brexiteer other than when it suits him to be. Let's be honest his agenda was always to be PM and to stay PM and he would throw anybody, however close to him, under the bus to achieve that.
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That is not unique to Boris it is MPs in general, it is the biggest cut throat business known to man.
Regarding Brexit, regardless of the fact he may have been inconsistent in his views over the years I do believe he thinks that if Brexit is to happen then it should not be a soft Brexit option. I am happy with that.
 
I’ve got sessions booked from the 3rd (my gym isn’t opening until then).

I will go down and see what it’s like. If it doesn’t look safe then I’ll just swerve it. But like you have had thoughts about it’s safety and if to go or not. But there hasn’t been any cases here or the local areas for a few weeks now.
 
Crowds of 4,000 will be allowed at the Goodwood horse racing meet next week.
 

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