Would you sell Rashford in the summer?

Jayc1860 said:
Go read some Arsenal forums.

Nobody interested......

Nothing more to say.
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I’m sure Arsenal fans would take him. Maybe City fans would say they’d like him in their squad. But I think if he went there he’d be the same up and down player with long periods of awful form.
 
RichH2016 said:
I’m sure Arsenal fans would take him. Maybe City fans would say they’d like him in their squad. But I think if he went there he’d be the same up and down player with long periods of awful form.
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I thought you said nobody would be interested in him, and that he's been bang average for years. You must have totally deleted last season in that summation.

Rashford just needs some stability and clear instruction. Yeah he's a confidence player that plays in patches, but that is not a bad thing. Rooney was the same.
 
I think the manager has to lot to answer for with players levels this season.
 
Let's not conveniently ignore to push your agenda that these players have form for throwing managers under the bus when it suits them.
 
Even when Rashford was scoring goals last season I would still question his overall play and decision making. Your overall game gets glossed over slightly when you’re scoring goals and when he’s not scoring goals he looks distinctly average at times.

Let’s not pretend Rashford’s poor form this season is all on the manager. He has been wildly inconsistent throughout the years and ETH just happens to be the next manager suffering from this. Put another manager in charge and I don’t particularly think Rashford will ever suddenly morph into a consistently elite player.
 
Jayc1860 said:
I thought you said nobody would be interested in him, and that he's been bang average for years. You must have totally deleted last season in that summation.
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Bit of a difference between fans wanting him and the actual club. Fans don’t make the signings.
 
RichH2016 said:
Bit of a difference between fans wanting him and the actual club. Fans don’t make the signings.
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Yeah, but the very fact they're even entertaining him as a potential buy is proof that Rashford is wanted. The club make the decisions though obviously, I agree. I just think your assessment it a bit off. He's better than you made out. PSG have been interested for a very long time for one example.

www.tntsports.co.uk

Exclusive: ‘Privileged position’ - Rooney backs Rashford to beat goalscoring record

Wayne Rooney has backed Marcus Rashford to break his Manchester United goalscoring record despite his troubles this season.
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I also found stats from a few year back and the records for Ronaldo, Rooney and Rashford at 250 games played are very similar.

Cristiano Ronaldo​

Games: 250
Starts: 205
Sub appearances: 45

Goals: 99
Assists: 60

Penalties scored: 13

Minutes per goal: 190.3
Minutes per non-penalty goal: 219.1
Minutes per goal or assist: 118.5

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Wayne Rooney​

Games: 249
Starts: 221
Sub appearances: 28

Goals: 104
Assists: 58

Penalties scored: 1

Minutes per goal: 191.9
Minutes per non-penalty goal: 193.8
Minutes per goal or assist: 123.2


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Marcus Rashford​

Games: 250
Starts: 178
Sub appearances: 72

Goals: 83
Assists: 51

Penalties scored: 8

Minutes per goal: 199.6
Minutes per non-penalty goal: 220.9
Minutes per goal or assist: 123.6

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So yeah, he's definitely bad.

You all forget how lucky we are to have him.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Yeah, but the very fact they're even entertaining him as a potential buy is proof that Rashford is wanted. The club make the decisions though obviously, I agree. I just think your assessment it a bit off. He's better than you made out. PSG have been interested for a very long time for one example.

www.tntsports.co.uk

Exclusive: ‘Privileged position’ - Rooney backs Rashford to beat goalscoring record

Wayne Rooney has backed Marcus Rashford to break his Manchester United goalscoring record despite his troubles this season.
www.tntsports.co.uk www.tntsports.co.uk

I also found stats from a few year back and the records for Ronaldo, Rooney and Rashford at 250 games played are very similar.

Cristiano Ronaldo​

Games: 250
Starts: 205
Sub appearances: 45

Goals: 99
Assists: 60

Penalties scored: 13

Minutes per goal: 190.3
Minutes per non-penalty goal: 219.1
Minutes per goal or assist: 118.5

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Wayne Rooney​

Games: 249
Starts: 221
Sub appearances: 28

Goals: 104
Assists: 58

Penalties scored: 1

Minutes per goal: 191.9
Minutes per non-penalty goal: 193.8
Minutes per goal or assist: 123.2


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Marcus Rashford​

Games: 250
Starts: 178
Sub appearances: 72

Goals: 83
Assists: 51

Penalties scored: 8

Minutes per goal: 199.6
Minutes per non-penalty goal: 220.9
Minutes per goal or assist: 123.6

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So yeah, he's definitely bad.

You all forget how lucky we are to have him.
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No it is time he went just like Ronaldo last year. With Ronaldo and Rooney none can accuse them of not trying and they always deliver.
 
justintime said:
No it is time he went just like Ronaldo last year. With Ronaldo and Rooney none can accuse them of not trying and they always deliver.
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I'll never agree with you or anybody else wanting to sell Rashford this summer. Never. I have more faith in him, and I'm loyal. I won't turn on him for one bad season, particularly this one.
 
SuperRash said:
Even when Rashford was scoring goals last season I would still question his overall play and decision making
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Really!

Why isn't Hojlund getting the same grief

Don't tell me, he doesn't get the service. Which is exactly what was happening to Rashford

Rashford has tried to adjust his game, hasn't worked out. Hojlund has done nothing to change his game.

Neither gave done well, both have been poor, Rashford gets the blame

I don't know why you can't see the problem is the manager. The whole team has been poor, so why pinpoint Rashford.

If he was under performing in a cohesive team that plays well and gets results I'd understand. But he's not.

It's an awful team, and that's the overall problem
 
Mr C said:
Really!

Why isn't Hojlund getting the same grief

Don't tell me, he doesn't get the service. Which is exactly what was happening to Rashford

Rashford has tried to adjust his game, hasn't worked out. Hojlund has done nothing to change his game.

Neither gave done well, both have been poor, Rashford gets the blame

I don't know why you can't see the problem is the manager. The whole team has been poor, so why pinpoint Rashford.

If he was under performing in a cohesive team that plays well and gets results I'd understand. But he's not.

It's an awful team, and that's the overall problem
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Come on, it’s not the same. A new young striker who should never be the sole striker in this team but asked to be - compared to a seasoned professional with 6 or 7 seasons under his belt. It’s apples and oranges.

You hold better players, more experienced players with better reputations to a higher accountability.

I don’t think I criticise players as much as they perhaps deserve but you cannot compare situations with Hojlund and Rashford. That’s just a bonkers comparison.

I don’t just go all in on the manager, I know full well the team has it’s deficiencies under ETH but I also don’t have tunnel vision and can see it’s the players as well. There is a lot wrong with the team and it’s on the manager and players. Players who should be better than what they are showing right now are getting an easy ride.
 
No I don't agree, if most of the team is playing below standard then it's the managers role to change the setup.

It's no coincidence all of our front players have been poor.
 
But that's all on Rashford, surely. He should track back, defend, be ready for a counter-attack, show the belief of a god, rally the team, score all the goals, and be a role model for Holjlund, Mainoo and Garnacho. Also forgot to add he should manage all of this with a poor amount of possession and a cluster-f*ck style of play and no support around him, in terms of constant quality. All of this easily expected at the ripe old age of 26. Easy.
 
Not sure I agree all our attacking players have been poor.

Bruno probably in his best spell of form in 3 years in the last few months.
Garnacho having a breakthrough season
Hojlund having an ok first season
Martial same old same old
Mount injured

Yeah Antony and Rashford are having poor season by their standards but the other 3 are doing alright.

It isn’t the system that’s making these two players play poorly.

Antony has struggled with the step up in quality and got himself into a load of trouble off the pitch. The transition style probably isn’t what he’s best at but he is to predictable for the quality of defenders here.

Rashford has struggled without Shaw behind him (they link well together) but his quality of finishing has dropped. He’s a player who in his career averages around 60% of his shots on target this season it’s dropped to 54%. His conversion is around 15%, this season it’s around 11%. That isn’t the manager that’s your own standards dropping
 
Regardless of recent form, Bruno has had a bad season. 3 goals and 5 assists in the first 26 league games is very poor. Those games are where you begin to set up the end of your season, and impacts that greatly. It's too little too late. The captain should be a driving force all season, not just when it goes his way. Poor.
 
Bruno has been poor by his high standards but glad he’s picked up in the last few months.

I think the startling difference between Garnacho/Hojlund and Rashford/Sancho is the work rate. Garnacho and Hojlund work their asses off and even if they are having a poor game, you know they’re still giving 100%. The latter players I mentioned just seem to have a sulk if things don’t go their way.

I don’t agree all our front players are having poor seasons. Some are granted but others are doing pretty well in an underperforming team.

I think ETH has to be praised how he has integrated Garnacho into the team.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Regardless of recent form, Bruno has had a bad season. 3 goals and 5 assists in the first 26 league games is very poor. Those games are where you begin to set up the end of your season, and impacts that greatly. It's too little too late. The captain should be a driving force all season, not just when it goes his way. Poor.
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He should be more consistent but who else was deserving of that armband? who stepped up to help in tough times?

1 man will never carry a team it needs others to chip in and sadly very few of the other senior players this season have stood up to be counted when they needed to be.

I thought Rashford looked to be turning a bit of a corner himself around Christmas but that all ended rather quickly.

The whatabout game just doesn’t wash with me anymore. This topic is about should we sell Rashford? I don’t think it’s crazy to think if he’s always going to be this inconsistent then Utd have to consider it. we can make all the excuses we want for these players but there’s certain things that footballers can control themselves regardless of the manager.
 
jsp said:
He should be more consistent but who else was deserving of that armband? who stepped up to help in tough times?

1 man will never carry a team it needs others to chip in and sadly very few of the other senior players this season have stood up to be counted when they needed to be.

I thought Rashford looked to be turning a bit of a corner himself around Christmas but that all ended rather quickly.

The whatabout game just doesn’t wash with me anymore. This topic is about should we sell Rashford? I don’t think it’s crazy to think if he’s always going to be this inconsistent then Utd have to consider it. we can make all the excuses we want for these players but there’s certain things that footballers can control themselves regardless of the manager.
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I'm only really making the point about Bruno's form to back up Rashford. They're both in the same boat. They're playing in a very poorly set up team, that has no character. Of course they're struggling. As you mentioned Rashford hit some type of form near christmas, and Bruno is doing the same thing now. The point is it's impossible to be consistent like this. In my honest opinion these are our two best players, and I rate them both.

I feel like Rashford though is suffering in the most idiotic way, with this 'he doesn't work hard enough' rubbish. That's not just saying you're bad, but also lazy. I can see why it has hurt his feelings so much. As I've said before, he is a victim of his own success. People should look back and remember last season when he showed up to help us over the line or start us off on a decent performance.

You just said it yourself: "1 man will never carry a team." Why is Rashford expected to?

Regarding the work rate - Garnacho and Hojlund probably have different instructions to Rashford as I've also said, they're younger and have pace and youth to use in the tracking back and defensive part. I think Rashford is doing as he's told. He's not supposed to be everywhere doing everything.

As for the captain's armband - None of them currently deserve to be wearing it.
 
SuperRash said:
I think the startling difference between Garnacho/Hojlund and Rashford/Sancho is the work rate. Garnacho and Hojlund work their asses off
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Do you do any research before you post. I love Garnacho, but, as you mentioned him.

Same goals as Rashford, 2 more assists, way more shots so his accuracy is much lower than Rashford. Hojlund has one more goal than both.

Rashford shooting accuracy is better, Rashford passes forward more and back less. Same big chances created.
Rashford has 2 more through balls, and is dispossessed less.
Their defence stats are similar although Garnacho does have more interceptions.

Annoyingly I cannot find km per match

I think probably Garnacho probably comes out on top in the stats, but it's closer than you and many fans suggest.

For some reason he's being unfairly singled out in an awful team.

It's like a snowball, a few people said it, now he's the easy scapegoat
 
He isn’t being singled out at all, the majority of players are being criticised for their performances this season. Rashford had been awful, lazy and moody all season. He is being booed by United fans for a reason.
 
Mr C said:
Do you do any research before you post. I love Garnacho, but, as you mentioned him.

Same goals as Rashford, 2 more assists, way more shots so his accuracy is much lower than Rashford. Hojlund has one more goal than both.

Rashford shooting accuracy is better, Rashford passes forward more and back less. Same big chances created.
Rashford has 2 more through balls, and is dispossessed less.
Their defence stats are similar although Garnacho does have more interceptions.

Annoyingly I cannot find km per match

I think probably Garnacho probably comes out on top in the stats, but it's closer than you and many fans suggest.

For some reason he's being unfairly singled out in an awful team.

It's like a snowball, a few people said it, now he's the easy scapegoat
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No need to be condescending now.

I just tell it how I see it watching games week after week. Stats only tell you so much and it’s obvious Garnacho has far more influence on games and that’s what I was getting at.

Just because a player is being criticised doesn’t mean he is being made a scapegoat of.
 
Soz, of course I didn't mean to be rude :oops:

Yeah, watching, Garnacho is better, but he's probably one of only 2 or 3 bright lights.

I think Rashford has been poor too, but no poorer than most, and in a team that has no real attacking tactics.

I just think he's getting a hard time unfairly at a point he needs supporting
 
SuperRash said:
No need to be condescending now.

I just tell it how I see it watching games week after week. Stats only tell you so much and it’s obvious Garnacho has far more influence on games and that’s what I was getting at.

Just because a player is being criticised doesn’t mean he is being made a scapegoat of.
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I'm sorry, but the whole forum has been horrible to Rashford for some time now. He is being targeted. It's about two people here that still support him.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Yeah, but the very fact they're even entertaining him as a potential buy is proof that Rashford is wanted. The club make the decisions though obviously, I agree. I just think your assessment it a bit off. He's better than you made out. PSG have been interested for a very long time for one example.
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We are going to have to agree to disagree my friend as I’m just not going to get there. As I’ve said for a while now he’s a talented player who’s capable of sublime moments but he’s overall an average player. Far too inconsistent and very wasteful a lot of the time. He’s overrated still because he plays for United.
 
RichH2016 said:
We are going to have to agree to disagree my friend as I’m just not going to get there. As I’ve said for a while now he’s a talented player who’s capable of sublime moments but he’s overall an average player. Far too inconsistent and very wasteful a lot of the time. He’s overrated still because he plays for United.
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Fair enough. :)
 
The Telegraph reporting that Utd are open to offers on him.

Haven't read it as it's behind a paywall but sounds like there's concerns within the club about his lifestyle off the pitch and they feel he's no longer fully focused on his football.

Hard to really see where he goes with the wages he's on.
 
What do people realistically think we'd get for him?

Reckon we're talking £40-50m max for him now and we'd end up giving him a chunk of that to take a pay cut.
 
I imagine any other club would get about 55 - 60

We'll get about 30

I did wonder if we could trade Hojlund for Gyokeres
 
I am starting to think maybe we should move on from him, his consistency has not improved over the years. You would imagine at his experience level now his game would be polished but he still has a naivety to his general play. This was fine at 18/19 but years down the line it cannot be forgiven.

I think he probably would get a decent fee and it would be pure profit then we would have to strongly consider it.

I look around and I just think we can get better players in our attacking third who have that little bit more desire. I look around the EPL and think of player who we could target that could add some technical ability to our front line and Dibling at Southampton stands out. Obviously inexperienced but already looks like he has a better footballing brain than Rashford.

Would be tough to see him go being homegrown, as it was McT but at some point you’ve got to say you’ve had enough chances.
 
Mr C said:
I imagine any other club would get about 55 - 60

We'll get about 30

I did wonder if we could trade Hojlund for Gyokeres
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City got that for Sterling but they really got lucky with Chelsea being an absolute mess in the first summer post takeover.

Utd need to find that club and push Rashford towards them.

Sterling was motivated to move as his contract was almost up. Rashford still has years on his current deal so he’s only going to make a move that suits him.
 
He’s a sellable asset so yes United should look to sell him. You could fetch a decent amount for a player that I think just needs to move on and try to revive his career.
 
I think the pros of selling him far outweigh the cons. I honestly don’t think we would miss him, especially if we reinvest wisely.

It’s got to the point that even if he banged in 20-25 goals between now and the end of the season, there will always be the niggly feeling he would turn up next season and revert to average.
 
I don't really like the way he is the scapegoat, 90% or more of the players have been poor.

Saying that, I would sell any one of that squad apart from Amad if the offer was good enough.
 

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