Will Marcus Rashford break Wayne Rooney’s Manchester United goal scoring record?

League Cup: Nottingham Forest 0-3 Manchester United - 25th January 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 111
 
140-160 because Rooney’s birthday is early in the season. Think Rashford will be more productive in his mid to late 20’s compared to Rooney.
 
Thanks for that. Its a big catch up, it ain't going to happen.
Rooney had some lean seasons and I have always believed he fell away and never fulfilled his potential despite his eventual record. I don't see Rashford being consistent and prolific. In fact, when we sign a proper class striker he will likely go into sulk mode.
I hope he proves me wrong.
 
EtHagArmy said:
Thanks for that. Its a big catch up, it ain't going to happen.
Rooney had some lean seasons and I have always believed he fell away and never fulfilled his potential despite his eventual record. I don't see Rashford being consistent and prolific. In fact, when we sign a proper class striker he will likely go into sulk mode.
I hope he proves me wrong.
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Why's that then?
 
so many people using his goal celebration.

Djokovic used it yesterday
 
Premier League: Manchester United 2-1 Crystal Palace - 4th February 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 112
 
Thought I'd have a look at where Rooney was at a similar age (25), so by the end of the 2009-10 season Rooney was on 131 goals.

09-10 was Rooney's highest scoring season he got 34 that season he repeated that in 11-12.

For Rashford to catch him he's going to need to bang in a couple of 30 plus goal seasons but he's well on the pace required to get close.

For Rashford to get it he probably needs to nail down penalty taking duties if your a stats chaser you need to be bagging those sweet penalty goals.

It's why Andrew Cole does not get the respect he deserves 4th in the all time prem scorer list and only scored 1 penalty.
 
There were a few seasons where our attack was;

Step 1: Give it to Scholes.
Step 2: Scholes hacks it out right to Valencia.
Step 3: Valencia hacks it into the middle for Rooney.

Rooney bagged a lot of goals, but we were awful to watch, coming off the sexy stuff of 07/08. Rashford is going to need a few of those type of seasons to track Rooney down, but I'd love to see it.
 
jsp said:
Thought I'd have a look at where Rooney was at a similar age (25), so by the end of the 2009-10 season Rooney was on 131 goals.

09-10 was Rooney's highest scoring season he got 34 that season he repeated that in 11-12.

For Rashford to catch him he's going to need to bang in a couple of 30 plus goal seasons but he's well on the pace required to get close.

For Rashford to get it he probably needs to nail down penalty taking duties if your a stats chaser you need to be bagging those sweet penalty goals.

It's why Andrew Cole does not get the respect he deserves 4th in the all time prem scorer list and only scored 1 penalty.
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In 8 years time Rashford will still be as lean and keen as he is now, whereas at 27 Rooney had to go back to Colleen because he didn't have the puff to go out chasing Grannies any more, and was basically done at the top level.
 
Justin Cider said:
In 8 years time Rashford will still be as lean and keen as he is now, whereas at 27 Rooney had to go back to Colleen because he didn't have the puff to go out chasing Grannies any more, and was basically done at the top level.
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Rashford could blow his knee out tomorrow and never be the same again.

I think Rashford needs to really cash in over the next 4-5 seasons before he hits 30 if he wants to get those records as without the speed I don't think he's got the instinct that Rooney had for scoring goals. He'd go in the box and scrap for goals which Rashford has shown signs of adding to his game but it doesn't come natural to him.
 
jsp said:
Rashford could blow his knee out tomorrow and never be the same again.

I think Rashford needs to really cash in over the next 4-5 seasons before he hits 30 if he wants to get those records as without the speed I don't think he's got the instinct that Rooney had for scoring goals. He'd go in the box and scrap for goals which Rashford has shown signs of adding to his game but it doesn't come natural to him.
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There's nothing to say he won't, nor is there any reason why when he's 33/34 he won't be as quick, if not even quicker than he is now.

Usain Bolt and Linford Christie got quicker in their 30's, Rashford with the right coaching/training might as well.
 
Justin Cider said:
There's nothing to say he won't, nor is there any reason why when he's 33/34 he won't be as quick, if not even quicker than he is now.

Usain Bolt and Linford Christie got quicker in their 30's, Rashford with the right coaching/training might as well.
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We all know age is undefeated and generally your speed and your ability to maintain that speed multiple times in games deteriorates at a certain point in your life. Rashford is lethal because it isn't just one sprint he can hit you with and gas out he can keep making that run time and time again during the game.

Usain Bolt was 22 when he set his world record in the 100 and 200m so not sure you can claim he got faster through age.

I think the modern methods of training allows players to extend their peak much longer than they could before but as I said 1 injury can totally change you as a player.
 
jsp said:
We all know age is undefeated and generally your speed and your ability to maintain that speed multiple times in games deteriorates at a certain point in your life. Rashford is lethal because it isn't just one sprint he can hit you with and gas out he can keep making that run time and time again during the game.

Usain Bolt was 22 when he set his world record in the 100 and 200m so not sure you can claim he got faster through age.

I think the modern methods of training allows players to extend their peak much longer than they could before but as I said 1 injury can totally change you as a player.
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As he get's older he will have hopefully learned when and where to sprint better, and when to conserve energy.

Don't know about the times, I have no real interest, but he(Bolt) appeared to be getting faster, and winning races more comfortably than he did when he was 25-28, often taking the p*ss going back through the gears approaching the line in Olympic/World Championship finals just before he retired.

One injury can finish any sportsperson's career at the top level at any given time, so maybe it's pointless every debating whether sportsperson 'A' will beat sportsperson 'B's long-standing record knowing that may be the case.

We are comparing ability/desire and opportunity, luck shouldn't come into it.
 
Justin Cider said:
As he get's older he will have hopefully learned when and where to sprint better, and when to conserve energy.

Don't know about the times, I have no real interest, but he(Bolt) appeared to be getting faster, and winning races more comfortably than he did when he was 25-28, often taking the p*ss going back through the gears approaching the line in Olympic/World Championship finals just before he retired.

One injury can finish any sportsperson's career at the top level at any given time, so maybe it's pointless every debating whether sportsperson 'A' will beat sportsperson 'B's long-standing record knowing that may be the case.

We are comparing ability/desire and opportunity, luck shouldn't come into it.
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Bolt was a slow starter when he first emerged so he'd basically let the others get ahead then blitz them, over time he improved his starts massively which meant he could then get ahead earlier and back off but he did attempt to break his records but he wasn't able to get it. He didn't get faster he just worked no his technique that allowed him to run a different race.

If you have no real interest why bring it up and use it to back up your point because you didn't actually know Bolt got faster into his 30's bearing in mind he retired at 31.

The point is about going for records and the reason I bought up the injury issue is to break these records you need to avoid serious injury in your career like Rooney did he never missed a whole season with injury. Rashford has had a lot of shoulder and ankle problems already if he wants to break these records he'll need to hope that through the next few years he remains fully fit and can bang in a few seasons where he's hitting 30+ goals in 50 games.
 
jsp said:
Bolt was a slow starter when he first emerged so he'd basically let the others get ahead then blitz them, over time he improved his starts massively which meant he could then get ahead earlier and back off but he did attempt to break his records but he wasn't able to get it. He didn't get faster he just worked no his technique that allowed him to run a different race.

If you have no real interest why bring it up and use it to back up your point because you didn't actually know Bolt got faster into his 30's bearing in mind he retired at 31.

The point is about going for records and the reason I bought up the injury issue is to break these records you need to avoid serious injury in your career like Rooney did he never missed a whole season with injury. Rashford has had a lot of shoulder and ankle problems already if he wants to break these records he'll need to hope that through the next few years he remains fully fit and can bang in a few seasons where he's hitting 30+ goals in 50 games.
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Because you seem to be one of those folk that think once an athlete hits 30 he should be put out to grass.
When history tells us in many sports that require athleticism that just isn't the case.

Well thanks for stating the blinking obvious.
 
Justin Cider said:
Because you seem to be one of those folk that think once an athlete hits 30 he should be put out to grass.
When history tells us in many sports that require athleticism that just isn't the case.

Well thanks for stating the blinking obvious.
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I'm not at all I said he will need to cash in during his peak fitness years because as a player I think he relies on speed and once that speed deteriorates his output will reduce. Plenty of players are almost reaching new heights in their career post 30 now Benzema, Lewendowski and Modric have hardly dropped off at all since turning 30.

The thread is about can he break the record I pointed out that Rooney really cashed in between 25-30. Rashford who's just turned 25 is going to need to cash in between 25-30 to get near it.
 
jsp said:
I'm not at all I said he will need to cash in during his peak fitness years because as a player I think he relies on speed and once that speed deteriorates his output will reduce. Plenty of players are almost reaching new heights in their career post 30 now Benzema, Lewendowski and Modric have hardly dropped off at all since turning 30.

The thread is about can he break the record I pointed out that Rooney really cashed in between 25-30. Rashford who's just turned 25 is going to need to cash in between 25-30 to get near it.
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Huh, Rooney was finished at the top level at 27, his best days were well gone.
 
Justin Cider said:
Huh, Rooney was finished at the top level at 27, his best days were well gone.
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Good job he has a 20 goal head start by the time he turned 25 as I agree his scoring did drop off as the intensity he had in his prime went. But between 25-30 he scored 99 of his 253 goals.

Rashford has had 2 tough years with injury and form and at 25 he’s behind Rooney so he needs to catch up now during his peak years. He needs to average over 20 a season in this period to get the record.

That was the point of the original post.
 
Premier League: Manchester United 2-2 Leeds United - 8th February 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 113
 
jsp said:
Good job he has a 20 goal head start by the time he turned 25 as I agree his scoring did drop off as the intensity he had in his prime went. But between 25-30 he scored 99 of his 253 goals.

Rashford has had 2 tough years with injury and form and at 25 he’s behind Rooney so he needs to catch up now during his peak years. He needs to average over 20 a season in this period to get the record.

That was the point of the original post.
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Rooney had a great 2011/12 season then his game went to shit, funnily enough around the time he was flirting with City and Chelsea. And then when SAF wanted him out he sulked for two years. And only stayed around like a bad smell with Sir Bobby's record in mind contributing next to nothing because he'd not listened to his body.

And at 25 Rooney was playing for the best team in England, and one of the best in Europe under just one Manager, so no surprise he had more goals at that point in his career than Rashford who has had numerous Managers all playing different systems so the poor lad didn't know if he was coming or going half the time.
 
Premier League: Leeds United 0-2 Manchester United - 12th February 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 114
 
Europa League: Manchester United 2-2 Barcelona 16th February 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 115
 
Not sure the full list is needed every time, top two, nearest two to Rashford maybe, think of the bandwidth if nothing else.
 
Premier League: Manchester United 3-0 Leicester City - 19th February 2023

2 goals.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 117
 
I do not want to disappoint…

League Cup Final: Manchester United 2-0 Newcastle United - 26th February 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 118
 
Sideshow Bob said:
I do not want to disappoint…

League Cup Final: Manchester United 2-0 Newcastle United - 26th February 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 118
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Good man!!
 
Europa League: Manchester United 4-1 Real Betis - 9th March 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 119
 
Europa League: Real Betis 0-1 Manchester United - 16th March 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 120
 
Premier League: Manchester United 1-0 Brentford - 5th April 2023

1 goal.

Rooney - 253
Charlton - 249
Law - 237
Rowley - 211
Best - 179
Viollet - 179
Giggs - 168
Spence - 168
Hughes - 163
Scholes - 155
Van Nistelrooy - 150

Rashford - 121
 

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