Video Assistant Referee (VAR) ~ Yes or No?

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Been a really bad weekend for VAR

McTominay foul for a disallowed goal
Tarkowski nearly booting off a players head no penalty
Jota offside in the Liverpool game
Diagna offside in the West Brom game.

Next season they need to ditch the lines on a close call and go to a system where you judge it by the eye if it looks onside you give it onside these mm marging decisions take forever and we all know they are not accurate.

As for the decisions on fouls there's not much that can be done for them as that is just bad referee decisions being made.
 

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it should only be used for offside for me, and they need to improve that, and lay the rules so there is consitancy.

This reviewing every goal is killing the game.
 

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That's from people who are watching these games at home on TV imagine being in the ground and not really being able to celebrate a goal as you don't know if it's going to be taken back for a review. I've been to one game with VAR in operation and it didn't actually get involved at all as it was a boring 0-0 where almost nothing happened.

It's become way to intrusive by checking every decision and we know from other sports like Cricket and Rugby it doesn't always give you the right answer.

Problem is you just know they won't scrap it now they've got it they'll keep messing with it every season.
 

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interesting piece we are now changing the laws of the game to suit VAR nearly every season minor tweaks are made to try and help with VAR decisions.

The biggest one has to be remove the “clear and obvious” element for VAR to get involved if the VAR feels it requires a second look go and have a look. If we aren’t using it to try and get all the decisions right why are we using it?

65 times the ref was sent to the monitor last season every single time he changed his decision. Surely that can’t be right?
 

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The offside and handball laws need to change so that VAR is not needed (or used) to adjudge them. They should never have to go to a frame-by-frame analysis to see if something happened. I think they should go back to the "daylight" rule for offside, between attacker and defender. For handball, if you have to go frame-by-frame to see where it struck the person or where their hand was when the ball touched it, you're doing it wrong. Also "contact" in the box should be changed to reflect knocking someone off the ball unfairly or seeing if enough contact was made to cause the player to go down.

I think VAR is good for looking at challenges that would result in either a caution or a penalty, nothing else. VAR would have prevented Maradona from scoring his hand of God goal, and would have kept Liverpool from winning the CL in Istanbul, so you have to admit it has its uses.
 

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The offside and handball laws need to change so that VAR is not needed (or used) to adjudge them. They should never have to go to a frame-by-frame analysis to see if something happened. I think they should go back to the "daylight" rule for offside, between attacker and defender. For handball, if you have to go frame-by-frame to see where it struck the person or where their hand was when the ball touched it, you're doing it wrong. Also "contact" in the box should be changed to reflect knocking someone off the ball unfairly or seeing if enough contact was made to cause the player to go down.

I think VAR is good for looking at challenges that would result in either a caution or a penalty, nothing else. VAR would have prevented Maradona from scoring his hand of God goal, and would have kept Liverpool from winning the CL in Istanbul, so you have to admit it has its uses.

True but it has killed the excitement of a goal as you now have this awkward moment of is anyone offside or was there a foul or maybe a handball that will mean it gets chalked off. You don't get that moment of pure excitement anymore which I think is bad for the game.

I think the modifications have been good but the handball was a mess for a few seasons and to an extent it still is as they can't really decide how high up the arm does the sleeve start?

Offside has improved I think but it still takes way to long to deal with the close calls and I do wonder if we need to simplify it further and set the lines off your feet not where your body is. We also have that stupid period where we play on just in case even though everyone knows the player was offside but the assistants have to keep the flag down just in case.

On penalties they seem to have decided in the box more contact is needed that is needed for a foul which just isn't the rules the penalty box is not held to a higher standard if it's a foul outside the box it's a foul inside the box. There's this idea now that attackers who initiate contact aren't given penalties if you get between the defender and the ball it's not up to you to avoid contact, if you want to slow down and the defender clatters into you that should still be a penalty.

I just look at it and think overall has it improved the game and the answer is no the decisions are still mostly subjective and on field decision by the ref seems to set to high a bar for changing a decision. I don't see the point of the pitch side review the guy acting as VAR is a fully qualified ref if he says look you've made a mistake we're changing it just change it don't make him go and watch the replays.

The only thing I think it has done which is great for the game is it really has cleared up blatant diving that is such a smaller problem in the game now you don't have players collapsing in a heap every time they go into the box now trying to con refs because they know with VAR they won't get anything.
 

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new "robo linesmen" to be used at the WC. takes away any doubt for offside....apart from interfering with play
 

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Interested to see how they work as that would be a big improvement if it's accurate and can get to the answer quickly that's a big improvement on the current system.

I guess the problem for speed will be it'll still require some sort of human over-ride to remove "inactive" players from the decision.

I'm assuming they'll only be used to review a goal they won't be using the software in play so for example you go through win a free kick or corner that you then score from that won't get pulled back as it's a new phase of play?
 

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Apparantly it's really quick. Limb tracking of all players giving instant decisions. The only time will be deciding interference.
 

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Yeah I know it's something they've been trialling for a few years so hopefully they've got all the kinks out of it.

Guess the next step is the whole clear and obvious thing they need to scrap that for penalty or red card decision it either is or it isn't how the ref saw it in real speed shouldn't really matter as he's making a split second call. The VAR has the time to watch the replays and make that decision he shouldn't need to call the ref over to a screen to review it they should work together and the refs should just accept that VAR may over rule him on the field.
 

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