The Sir Jim Ratcliffe Era

Mr C said:
Debt gone, new stadium, new training facilities, redevelopement of area, womens team to get facilities and stadium, money for transfers, charities not forgotten.
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Training Facilities are currently being redeveloped £50m is being spent on modernising Carrington. Works to be complete by the end of this season. Meaning both the mens, womens and academy facilities at Carrington will once again be top class and fit for purpose by the start of next season.

Stadium fan survey completed, task force created and master planners appointed to develop proposals for a new stadium and the development around the ground. These projects don't just start over night 12 months in there's clearly progress being made but it's still a very long way off breaking ground.

The club spent plenty in the summer and I still think on the whole it looks to have spent it well and we actually managed to make some good sales to clear long standing issues with squad players. Utd have to get their house in order and start living within their means for to long the Glazers allowed spending to get out of control.

I get it's going to be a longer process under Ratcliffe but I'd still rather that than follow a football club owned by a country on the other side of the world.

Even if Qatar had bought the club there's no guarantee we'd be in a better state than we are today.
 
The outrage about Ineos and Sir Jim is a little baffling to be honest. Look at the absolute mess that they came in facing! They are getting house in order and while they won’t get everything right I think the club is going in the right direction.

I never wanted to be owned by a state (officially or unofficially), that would be the lowest of the low for this club. I would take Ineos over that any day of the week.
 
Mr C said:
Debt gone, new stadium, new training facilities, redevelopement of area, womens team to get facilities and stadium, money for transfers, charities not forgotten.
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You do know that under PSR and FFP owners are not allowed to inject capital for the purpose of buying players, even by the back door?
Or haven't you been following the 115 charges against City?
 
RVN said:
Usually you have some positives to counterbalance the tough decisions that need to be made, however, with Ineos, it is difficult to find many over the past year.
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We were warned by Rangnick that the club needed open heart surgery to survive, now it's happening people don't want it.
Think of the alternatives, fines, points deductions.
A recent report says United's finances are in a mess, and there is a good chance we could fail to meet PSR regulations this season, £525m debt to service with monthly interest payments, £236m in transfer fees to pay off this year alone.
 
Matt Varnish said:
You do know that under PSR and FFP owners are not allowed to inject capital for the purpose of buying players, even by the back door?
Or haven't you been following the 115 charges against City?
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they can clear the debt
 
by selling the academy players?

for extending ETH and hiring Ashworth?

go listen to the Nice fans
 
How else do you want it to be sorted?

Do you want someone to just come in and go here have £600m and I'll pay back the bank out of my own pocket?

The Glazers certainly aren't going to pay it back and Ratcliffe isn't going to deal with it unless he owns the club in full.

The squad needs another expensive overhaul over the next 2 years so moneys going to have to be raised to pay for that and it might be that we have to sell something we'd rather not sell to pay for it.
 
jsp said:
Do you want someone to just come in and go here have £600m and I'll pay back the bank out of my own pocket?
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The conversation was re: the Quataris, who were going to wipe the debt out immediately as part of the buy out.
I love the way 2 + 2 = 5 on this forum

As for the way SJR is running things. I think putting up tickets, wiping out charities, saving not much while paying compensation for Ashworth to Newcastle then sacking him, extending ETH then sacking him and his staff for about 20m and wasting 200+m on players not suited to the new guy.

It's safe to say he's making a right shit job of it.

Selling Mainoo and Garnacho is one step too far. What he going to replace them with? cheaper shitter players.

the bigger problem might not be of his making, but he was meant to better than the Glazers, it feels like some sick race as to who could be the worse owner

This club is ruined.
 
I don't really understand your point.

I was answering re: the Quataris, their deal included wiping out the debt at point of purchase.
 
Mr C said:
I don't really understand your point.

I was answering re: the Quataris, their deal included wiping out the debt at point of purchase.
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Yet all we ever saw of them was two photographs, they never bothered to turn up to any meetings or have any direct contact
 
Mr C said:
The conversation was re: the Quataris, who were going to wipe the debt out immediately as part of the buy out.
I love the way 2 + 2 = 5 on this forum

As for the way SJR is running things. I think putting up tickets, wiping out charities, saving not much while paying compensation for Ashworth to Newcastle then sacking him, extending ETH then sacking him and his staff for about 20m and wasting 200+m on players not suited to the new guy.

It's safe to say he's making a right shit job of it.

Selling Mainoo and Garnacho is one step too far. What he going to replace them with? cheaper shitter players.

the bigger problem might not be of his making, but he was meant to better than the Glazers, it feels like some sick race as to who could be the worse owner

This club is ruined.
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Yes Qatar clear the debt but what do we give the in return? To me handing the club over to a state is to big a price to pay.

Even with a couple of poor decisions around management he’s still put $300m into the club to help improve the mess.

As for players to me De Ligt, Maz, Yoro and Ugarte can all play the new system the only ones who’s struggling is Zirkzee.
 
Mr C said:
Debt gone, new stadium, new training facilities, redevelopement of area, womens team to get facilities and stadium, money for transfers, charities not forgotten.
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jsp said:
Yes Qatar clear the debt but what do we give the in return?
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I answered that :)

One billionaire is as bad as another. Nobody gets billions by being nice.
 
Mr C said:
I answered that :)

One billionaire is as bad as another. Nobody gets billions by being nice.
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I said what do we give not what do we get.

They want something in return they aren't just going to spend billions on the club without getting something in return.

What they get in return is a football club that they can use to promote their way of life the absolute monarchy model which probably doesn't align with how most Utd fans feel people should be forced to live their lives.

I agree there's no such thing as a nice billionaire but I just don't want the club to be owned by the royal family of another country.
 
So you'd be opting to keep the Glazers?! I think getting rid of them in any capacity would be a win. I'm so sick of these American fools being a part of my beloved club and if it takes being bought by a state etc, then I might consider it.

I just think the Glazers must get gone at pretty much any price. They've ruined our club for too long.
 
Jayc1860 said:
So you'd be opting to keep the Glazers?! I think getting rid of them in any capacity would be a win. I'm so sick of these American fools being a part of my beloved club and if it takes being bought by a state etc, then I might consider it.

I just think the Glazers must get gone at pretty much any price. They've ruined our club for too long.
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Put it this way I see putting up with the Glazers until someone buys them out as marginally better than being owned by a country.

What the Glazers did should never be allowed to happen to another club again but equally football clubs should not be sold to governments of other countries.

While I'm not a massive fan of Ratcliffe the person I'd like to see him find a way (likely some sort of consortium) of getting the money together to get rid of the Glazers for good and clear the debts off the club so that it can rebuild itself.
 
jsp said:
Put it this way I see putting up with the Glazers until someone buys them out as marginally better than being owned by a country.

What the Glazers did should never be allowed to happen to another club again but equally football clubs should not be sold to governments of other countries.

While I'm not a massive fan of Ratcliffe the person I'd like to see him find a way (likely some sort of consortium) of getting the money together to get rid of the Glazers for good and clear the debts off the club so that it can rebuild itself.
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I get where you're coming from and I'd prefer it that way too, but at this point it just looks like it will never happen. SJR was recently asked if he had any plans to buy the club completely, and he said, no.

It's nearly two decades of this BS and I'm sick of it.
 
Jayc1860 said:
I get where you're coming from and I'd prefer it that way too, but at this point it just looks like it will never happen. SJR was recently asked if he had any plans to buy the club completely, and he said, no.

It's nearly two decades of this BS and I'm sick of it.
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Yeah the clubs worth so much money now it's hard to see another way out of this hole than state ownership but personally I'd still rather have to go down the longer harder path than take the easy short cut and sell out.

What SJR says in public and what he plans in private can be different he's got an exclusivity period with the Glazers which still have 2 years to run but they just don't appear to want to sell it. I think if they said they were willing to sell up he'd find a way of making it happen.

I just want owners that aren't going to take money out of the club I don't think SJR will do that if he gets full ownership and to run it as a football club again. I think SJR is trying to do that.

The sad reality is the Glazers plan worked perfectly they have made a fortune off it in the last decade through dividends and selling off chunks of it to shareholders/Ratcliffe and they'll cash in again big time if they ever sold it in full. They might be the only football club owners in history who have made money out of owning a football club.
 
jsp said:
Yeah the clubs worth so much money now it's hard to see another way out of this hole than state ownership but personally I'd still rather have to go down the longer harder path than take the easy short cut and sell out.

What SJR says in public and what he plans in private can be different he's got an exclusivity period with the Glazers which still have 2 years to run but they just don't appear to want to sell it. I think if they said they were willing to sell up he'd find a way of making it happen.

I just want owners that aren't going to take money out of the club I don't think SJR will do that if he gets full ownership and to run it as a football club again. I think SJR is trying to do that.

The sad reality is the Glazers plan worked perfectly they have made a fortune off it in the last decade through dividends and selling off chunks of it to shareholders/Ratcliffe and they'll cash in again big time if they ever sold it in full. They might be the only football club owners in history who have made money out of owning a football club.
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This is exactly why it needs to end, and even if it takes a sugar daddy type option. I'm just done with having these parasites take from us and any option of getting rid of them I'd consider.
 
Jayc1860 said:
This is exactly why it needs to end, and even if it takes a sugar daddy type option. I'm just done with having these parasites take from us and any option of getting rid of them I'd consider.
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Yeah I can get that point of view.

My gut feeling is still that they'll be gone in the next 2 years.

I reckon SJR along with a few others will put together a big that's to good to turn down to get rid of them.

Thing is it doesn't need a sugar daddy just needs someone with deep enough pockets to get rid of the leeches so we can once again stand on our own two feet.
 
jsp said:
Yeah I can get that point of view.

My gut feeling is still that they'll be gone in the next 2 years.

I reckon SJR along with a few others will put together a big that's to good to turn down to get rid of them.

Thing is it doesn't need a sugar daddy just needs someone with deep enough pockets to get rid of the leeches so we can once again stand on our own two feet.
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Well, I hope you're right, mate.

I do think supporting our club is a task some days and that has got to change.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Well, I hope you're right, mate.

I do think supporting our club is a task some days and that has got to change.
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Yep there's a lot less to like about the club than there was before they took over.

My worry is the way the entire sport is going it's only going to drive fans away from it as ticket prices are about to go through the roof for everyone as the TV deals aren't growing in the way they once were.
 
jsp said:
Yep there's a lot less to like about the club than there was before they took over.

My worry is the way the entire sport is going it's only going to drive fans away from it as ticket prices are about to go through the roof for everyone as the TV deals aren't growing in the way they once were.
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Yeah.

The rich and money ruin everything as usual.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Yeah.

The rich and money ruin everything as usual.
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Think it's partly down to the players.

At some point clubs need to get a grip on transfer fees and wages and try to drive them down somehow because the wages are still going up even though the income for clubs has stagnated a bit.

Those running the game also need to realise that adding more and more games will just make each game more meaningless as the players will be knackered.
 
jsp said:
I said what do we give not what do we get.

They want something in return they aren't just going to spend billions on the club without getting something in return.
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Lets not pretend SJR is doing it because he's meant to be a fan of the club.

a Qatar buyout would have been better for the club.

What that would have meant, we'll never know. The Saudis don't seem to be up to much at Newcastle though.
 
Mr C said:
Lets not pretend SJR is doing it because he's meant to be a fan of the club.

a Qatar buyout would have been better for the club.

What that would have meant, we'll never know. The Saudis don't seem to be up to much at Newcastle though.
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Not sure selling your soul to the devil would’ve been better for the club.
 
Qatar would have cleared the debt but would still have to follow ffp rules surely unless Iv missed something
 
Mr C said:
Lets not pretend SJR is doing it because he's meant to be a fan of the club.

a Qatar buyout would have been better for the club.

What that would have meant, we'll never know. The Saudis don't seem to be up to much at Newcastle though.
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He’s doing it for his legacy.

I think he genuinely wants to make Utd a great club again but he’s not going to bankrupt himself attempting it.

Saudi’s are a bit stuck with PSR but they’ve taken them from relegation threatened every season to challenging for top 6.
 
Mr C said:
They wouldn't have the loan repayments
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We'd also move from sailing in the Bermuda triangle out into open waters again. A place of some calm and hope that we can again be the giant we used to be.
 
I think it would be fair to judge him after 5 years rather than 1.

It is a far from perfect start but you have to give it a bit more time before judging it a failure.

Utd can’t keep pissing money away at some point someone has to put a stop to it. Part of his deal says the Glazers cannot pay themselves or any shareholder a dividend for the 3 years.
 

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