The Battle to Keep Fellaini | Fellaini signs new contract until 2020

It's a business and a career decision Fellaini rightly or wrongly sees himself as a top level central midfield player and he's been a regular at Man Utd for 5 years been an international with Belguim for longer than that so he probably feels that with no transfer fee to be paid he can command a good salary.

Who knows what Milan were offering they are basically skint again because of FFP and judging by what I know about italian football wages over there compared to the PL are a lot lower so a good offer for Milan might be a pretty poor offer compared to what he's already on with Utd.

It's hardly holding people to ransom it's not like he's got Woodward's kid locked in his basement lol it's a negotiation he's basically a free agent so he's looking to make the most money he can get and the longer it drags on the lower that figure probably gets he knows what's on offer from Utd or Milan so him and his agent will probably go and look at what else is out there then make a decision.
 
To be honest mate it was the interview he did that was bascially "if they offer me more money I will stay, I am in a strong position" not being funny but turning down 140k a week to play for Man United and your turning it down, that is holding us to ransom because he is robbing a living at us as it is, what's he done to warrant 150k a week? score a header every 6 months and run around like a headless chicken?

He wants to think he is a great CM then let him crack on, I tell my missus im off the chain in the sack but you don't see me making the kind of money a pornstar makes!

He can think what he likes, its the fact that Jose is nearly begging him to sign a new deal and wanting us to offer him more money, if you have no loyalty and you simply want a major pay rise, take your stuff and do one, zero interest in that kind of attitude, can't wait until he is someones else's problem, should never have been at us in the first place.
 
Guess it depends on what others are getting and what he can get elsewhere. We've not been particularly loyal to him as a fanbase so if the club want him to stay I've got no problem with him playing hard ball in negotiations. This is the problem when you put the top guy on £300k a week suddenly the squad players start thinking well surely 1/2 of what he's on is fair for a squad player?

I've got no interest in him staying it baffles me that the club even offered him a deal but he's got a strongish hand because he knows Carrick is going, the manager has publically said he wants him to stay and replacing him will cost us a lot. If we had to keep him I'd basically offer him a 2 year extension on basically the same terms as his current deal a little bit of a rise for years service but nothing more than that. If he's not interested then shake hands and wish him the best elsewhere.

If he goes Arsenal he will 100% score against us next season every time Welbeck plays against us he seems to bag it's really rather annoying especially as a lot of my mates are Arsenal fans and they know I used to have a soft spot for Welbeck.
 
We should have taken our offer off the table. I think he’s overplayed his hand massively, even with no transfer fee clubs aren’t willing to pay what he’s asking. Staying at the club now would be a big mistake by him, he’s not the most popular player anyway and this will only make that worse.
 
Haha yeah he will find the net against us no doubt in my mind, but to be honest I would take that all day long if it means getting rid.

Lingard is on what 100k a year and has done 20 times more to deserve that than Fellani has, 150k a week, jesus wept is that what we have become, I wouldn't give him 50k a week never mind 150k!
 
Just the way it is he's come in as a big money signing back when £30m was still big money so he probably arrived on something like £120k after 5 years service he probably expects a rise that's sort of how it works in football. It's all speculation I imagine the majority of what we hear about what players earn is nonsense and over inflated because it's designed to grab headlines and turn you against them.

Clubs are quickly to throw players on the scrap heap when they don't want them so when people do want you then cash in.
 
Arsenal? Oh god please let that be true. I mean if he doesn't fit with the style here then how on earth is that going to go down at the Emirates. Jeez.
 
Yep, he will end up in China as priced himself out of Arsenal and Milan, if we keep that contract on the table we need shooting, so he is shooting himself in the foot but for someone like him I guess earning the dollar is more important than playing for a top club.

Go to China, thanks for the 5 years of horrendous viewing, you will not be missed.
 
We should have taken our offer off the table. I think he’s overplayed his hand massively, even with no transfer fee clubs aren’t willing to pay what he’s asking. Staying at the club now would be a big mistake by him, he’s not the most popular player anyway and this will only make that worse.
I think someone whispered into his ear on how his position had suddenly strengthened on the back of Carrick retiring because it effectively means that we'd need to sign two midfielders to replace the two of them but we also need to spend heavily on other areas of the pitch so he rightly reasoned that we'd rather buy one midfielder this summer and extend his contract by one more year than buy two midfielders this summer. Obviously the club doesn't place much importance on him and Mourinho will be told to utilize the academy more, he is done here!
 
I mean the manager saying in public on more than one occasion that he wanted him to stay and the club needed to sort out his contract probably upped the demands a fair bit because if Man Utd & Mourinho want you then you probably think you're worth top money.

I think you have to take the emotion away from it there's an offer on the table doesn't hurt to leave it there I'm sure there's a plan B if he decides to go elsewhere and that might be promoting academy players or bringing someone in.

Just shows how badly organised the transfer policy has been at Utd for a while now we've got so many players going into the last 12 months on deals who we clearly don't want but we are struggling to sell, Fellaini has been linked with moves away for ages but we've only ever heard rumours of loan moves which clearly didn't interest him or us now we end up getting nothing back on him.
 
I mean the manager saying in public on more than one occasion that he wanted him to stay and the club needed to sort out his contract probably upped the demands a fair bit because if Man Utd & Mourinho want you then you probably think you're worth top money.

I think you have to take the emotion away from it there's an offer on the table doesn't hurt to leave it there I'm sure there's a plan B if he decides to go elsewhere and that might be promoting academy players or bringing someone in.

Just shows how badly organised the transfer policy has been at Utd for a while now we've got so many players going into the last 12 months on deals who we clearly don't want but we are struggling to sell, Fellaini has been linked with moves away for ages but we've only ever heard rumours of loan moves which clearly didn't interest him or us now we end up getting nothing back on him.
I hate it when Jose does this because it effectively weakens our negotiating position, same with Perisic last season when all he could do was mourn to the media. In fact I think clubs and managers should be compelled to utilize their U23s for squad roles because some of these players are just pointless to have around as they can never grow to be good enough but we basically deny kinds like Fosu Mensah, Tuanzebe and Pereira a fair crack at the whip whilst spending millions on wages and fees on players like Fellaini, Blind and Darmian. Imo we should have a really strong first 11, then back ups from the likes of Herrera, Jones, Lindeloff, Young and other players of that ilk and fill out the squad with youngsters on the brink. Take for example our midfield options in a 4-3-3 should be Matic+ Herrera, Fred +McTominay and Pogba+ Lingard then when the starter and is back up are all out the starting place should go the a youth player. I doubt that playing Matic-Perreira-Pogba in the absence of Fred hurts the midfield quality that much or that playing Chong on the right with Lukaku and Sanchez as the rest of attacking trio will reduce the overall quality of the attack. The advantage with kids is that some get a chance and never look back like Kane did at Spurs, the potential upside is greater than the 3 points at stake that day.
 
I nearly spat my tea out when I saw Arsenal were after him. Brilliant. Off you trot son.
 
I think it's easy to say yeah lets throw the kids in but the manager is under pressure to win and he's coming from a chasing position so it's unlikely he takes to many risks on youth/academy players it's an easy stick to beat him with at times. Young players are inconsistent and you have to be patient with them and our fans right now are growing impatient after 5 years without the title Lingard/Rashford/McTominay all face regular criticism from fans over their performances, attitude or ability.

If you're good enough you're old enough all I ask is it's a level playing field so if Periera is as good as Fellaini/Herrera he gets a game it's not a charity we shouldn't be playing these kids because they're academy players ahead of others you have to earn that spot in the team. Fosu-Mensah couldn't even nail down a starting spot at Palace this season so what makes people think he's good enough for Utd when we have two internationals currently playing right back?

Next season if we're going 4-3-3 which seems to be the way I'd like to see 5 established midfielders then McTominay as my 6th choice to do that with Fellaini leaving we probably need 1 more to come in unless he feels he can use Mata/Lingard in a midfield 3 which leaves space for him to sign a right sided attacking player that the front line needs.
 
I mean the manager saying in public on more than one occasion that he wanted him to stay and the club needed to sort out his contract probably upped the demands a fair bit because if Man Utd & Mourinho want you then you probably think you're worth top money.

I think you have to take the emotion away from it there's an offer on the table doesn't hurt to leave it there I'm sure there's a plan B if he decides to go elsewhere and that might be promoting academy players or bringing someone in.

Just shows how badly organised the transfer policy has been at Utd for a while now we've got so many players going into the last 12 months on deals who we clearly don't want but we are struggling to sell, Fellaini has been linked with moves away for ages but we've only ever heard rumours of loan moves which clearly didn't interest him or us now we end up getting nothing back on him.

you could read it as the club have made an offer, I have given public assurance I want you, sign the deal. The club aren't going to change their offer

whichever instance, I'm glad he hasn't signed
 
you could read it as the club have made an offer, I have given public assurance I want you, sign the deal. The club aren't going to change their offer

whichever instance, I'm glad he hasn't signed

Until he's signed for another club I'm refusing to celebrate this one.
 
If he resigns for us after all the activity saying he's leaving I'll be gutted

It would be a terrible decision by him at this point, isn't exactly Mr Popular as it is, look at how likes of Rooney and Rio villified, be worse for Fellaini.
 
I think it's easy to say yeah lets throw the kids in but the manager is under pressure to win and he's coming from a chasing position so it's unlikely he takes to many risks on youth/academy players it's an easy stick to beat him with at times. Young players are inconsistent and you have to be patient with them and our fans right now are growing impatient after 5 years without the title Lingard/Rashford/McTominay all face regular criticism from fans over their performances, attitude or ability.

If you're good enough you're old enough all I ask is it's a level playing field so if Periera is as good as Fellaini/Herrera he gets a game it's not a charity we shouldn't be playing these kids because they're academy players ahead of others you have to earn that spot in the team. Fosu-Mensah couldn't even nail down a starting spot at Palace this season so what makes people think he's good enough for Utd when we have two internationals currently playing right back?

Next season if we're going 4-3-3 which seems to be the way I'd like to see 5 established midfielders then McTominay as my 6th choice to do that with Fellaini leaving we probably need 1 more to come in unless he feels he can use Mata/Lingard in a midfield 3 which leaves space for him to sign a right sided attacking player that the front line needs.
I don't think you get what I am saying at all - which is, reserve the squad roles for the youth graduates instead of paying some loafer 100k per week only for him to make four starts in one season. If these kids aren't good enough then they obviously have no reason being at United. Paying players like Fellaini, Darmain, Blind etc an average of 80k per week limits the quality you can attract and pay the big bucks. In most instances its just fear on the part of the managers but the funny thing is that after using these tried and tested players we are not even winning that much plus I am not saying play then en masse but we should have a clear way to the first team for them. I think being back up of a back up is enough to gauge where they are. You look at Fosu-Mensah its not clear cut that he wasn't good enough for Palace because they played their own kid when he was injured who performed and simply kept on giving him chances but would you say that what happened to him disqualifies him from being a squad player at United? Why would Palace invest game time in our kid when theirs is just as good or better?
Again, remember that I am talking about squad roles not starting roles and there is a method of bedding them in not just throw them at the deep end like that madman Van Gaal. For example do you think that Fosu-Mensah would cost us dearly if he played RB in a back four that has Evra-Vidic-Ferdinand-Fosu-Mensah? Wouldn't you agree that a slow but deliberate process of bedding them in would save us transfer fees and wages in the long run? What I want is genuine chances for our youths especially in CL dead rubbers, Cup games against lower league opponents and certain games against relegation fodder so that at the end of the season such players can point to 15-20 appearances and feel that they had their chance and failed. If we as a club fail to win silverware because of that its a damn sight better and more comforting than knowing that Sevilla knocked out us out of the CL with Fellaini starting in the first 11.
 
I can see what you are saying, why pay Blind 80 grand a week when a youth player can sit on the bench and play those 100mins he played in the season.

And in theory it's a great idea. But they need to playing regularly to get better so need to play for the youth, or under 21's etc. Then you have to ask is it too much to play and then sit on the bench?
 
Imagine if Liverpool had spent 20m on a Darmian and not given Arnold a chance this season, lad is now a regular, Champions League final behind him and gearing up for a World Cup, all because he got given a chance, a fair crack.
 
Imagine if Liverpool had spent 20m on a Darmian and not given Arnold a chance this season, lad is now a regular, Champions League final behind him and gearing up for a World Cup, all because he got given a chance, a fair crack.

Yeah, shame our youngsters aren't given a chance. How will we ever know how good Lingard, Rashford and McTominey could be.
 
It would be a terrible decision by him at this point, isn't exactly Mr Popular as it is, look at how likes of Rooney and Rio villified, be worse for Fellaini.

I think footballers are so used to abuse these days they don't give a toss. Did you see the video of the Scouse supporters chanting in his face on his way to watch UCL final? I'd have been having a punch up, he just cooly walked in!
 
Yeah, shame our youngsters aren't given a chance. How will we ever know how good Lingard, Rashford and McTominey could be.

Rashford was forced upon LVG in the Europa League and was already established when Jose took over.

Lingard is 25 so not sure how you have worked out he is a youngster, again his chance came before Jose arrived.

McTominey has been given his breakthrough season, a lot of that is due to Fellani, Carrick and Herrera being injured for large parts of it but took his chance brilliantly.

Things like the last game or two of the season, playing the likes of Blind, Darmian Fellani etc all of who are leaving ahead of a lot of the kids was mind boggling.

I'm actually surprised you haven't tried to throw Shaw in there as a youngster, or Pogba who is actually younger than Lingard, just for your info
 
Doesn't matter what the circumstances are Edgy, the fact is all three came through the to the first team as youngsters and are getting plenty of game time. Shaw was a signing who already had 1st team PL experience.
 
Doesn't matter what the circumstances are Edgy, the fact is all three came through the to the first team as youngsters and are getting plenty of game time. Shaw was a signing who already had 1st team PL experience.

The Shaw comment was a joke, jesus wept I know he was a bloody signing.

Not even sure what your arguing about here, if you actually read up I'm referring to TFM and that he should be given a crack at RB rather than spending 20m on an unknown from Porto, using Arnold as an example of them giving him a chance rather than buying an average full back for the sake of it.

Fact of the matter is, Jose struggles when it comes to promoting youth, Rashford has gone backwards, Martial struggling, Shaw has zero confidence, TFM being overlooked, Pereira will probably be sold, it's only McTominey who has done well under Jose.

(Yes Lingard is in there but at 25 I don't consider him a youngster).
 
So Jose is now getting stick for spending money on a 19 yr old many consider to be a wonder kid?

I could perhaps understand if we’d gone and signed a 29/30 yr old but the fact is he’s been hammered for not taking a chance with youngsters and he’s gone and taken a punt on a youngster. You can’t just play people because they’re young they’ve got to be good enough too.
 
FML he is not being hammered because he has signed this lad! Is it everyone's time of the month on here this week jesus.

Again if you actually read the post it is just questioning why TFM seems to have been overlooked and it is fair to say that quite a few of our younger players have not exactly flourished over the last season or two.

Time for a change of tampax i think!!
 
I can see what you are saying, why pay Blind 80 grand a week when a youth player can sit on the bench and play those 100mins he played in the season.

And in theory it's a great idea. But they need to playing regularly to get better so need to play for the youth, or under 21's etc. Then you have to ask is it too much to play and then sit on the bench?
I think those 100mins could have been more useful to a player like Tuanzebe in either impressing the manager of putting himself on the shop window for a nice loan move but whichever way the club benefits more from, in the long run, from giving these minutes to kids than it does from giving a veteran the manager doesn't fancy anymore. They can spend the majority of the season playing for the U23 to get game time but there should be a plan to get them in and around the first team and the only way to do that is if we design our squad roster to have a combination of a really strong regular eleven, 8 to 9 outfield players that can challenge for a spot in the starting team and youth graduates. The advantage of that is that these kids would learn good habits from top professionals like Sanchez and Matic whilst when there is an opening the general quality of the team doesn't deteriorate much because you have fielded a kid. What I am against is wasting time and money on players who rarely play who, at the same time, block the ascendancy of our juniors to the 1st team.
 
FML he is not being hammered because he has signed this lad! Is it everyone's time of the month on here this week jesus.

Again if you actually read the post it is just questioning why TFM seems to have been overlooked and it is fair to say that quite a few of our younger players have not exactly flourished over the last season or two.

Time for a change of tampax i think!!

TFM was overlooked because he couldn’t force himself in to the palace side

Pereira overlooked because he couldn’t force himself in to the Valencia side

Tuanzebe overlooked because he couldn’t force himself in to the Villa side.

If these guys were good enough to be playing for us they should be looking a level above in those sides. As it’s happened their loan moved have shown why they didn’t get in the side.

Look at the Chelsea model. The players they loan out are getting big moves because they’re impressing. These 3 haven’t done anything and no one is interested in them so why should they be getting chances in the team. If they’re good enough they will.
 
TFM was overlooked because he couldn’t force himself in to the palace side

Pereira overlooked because he couldn’t force himself in to the Valencia side

Tuanzebe overlooked because he couldn’t force himself in to the Villa side.

If these guys were good enough to be playing for us they should be looking a level above in those sides. As it’s happened their loan moved have shown why they didn’t get in the side.

Look at the Chelsea model. The players they loan out are getting big moves because they’re impressing. These 3 haven’t done anything and no one is interested in them so why should they be getting chances in the team. If they’re good enough they will.

You send McTominey to any of these sides and I am sure the same thing would happen, the same thing happened with Lingard, he had 3 maybe 4 not to great loan moves, it happens when the player is not "your" player they tend to get treated a bit differently, Abraham at Swansea this year, the only exception I can think off is Loftus Cheek at Palace.

Lingard didn't have to many great loans but when given a chance at his actual has blossomed massively.
 
Topics can be discussed without resorting to this sort of nonsense.
Topics can be discussed without resorting to this sort of nonsense.

Calm down
TFM was overlooked because he couldn’t force himself in to the palace side

Pereira overlooked because he couldn’t force himself in to the Valencia side

Tuanzebe overlooked because he couldn’t force himself in to the Villa side.

If these guys were good enough to be playing for us they should be looking a level above in those sides. As it’s happened their loan moved have shown why they didn’t get in the side.

Look at the Chelsea model. The players they loan out are getting big moves because they’re impressing. These 3 haven’t done anything and no one is interested in them so why should they be getting chances in the team. If they’re good enough they will.

Topics can be discussed without resorting to this sort of nonsense.
 
The thing is the TFM, is he a full back really? if we are going to use the youth then we should use them in their strongest position.

But as said, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire at Palace. I have never seen Pereira perform at a level good enough for our first team. It would be nice to bring the youth up, but maybe they aren't good enough.

As for Dalot, at 17m it's not even a punt is it, tha's lunch money these days.

Our defence defo needs work, I don't care who it is, or how old they are they need to come in and improve it. I'm not sure TFM has shown he is at that level yet. Saying that we don't know Jose's plans. He may promote him.

Back on topic, has Fellaini left yet, dreading the Fellaini signs new deal headline.
 

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