Scott McTominay

Good time in his career to move.

I think he's got more to unlock with regular games. They've bought a good player with potential to be even better.

Never whinged at all about doing a job for us/being a squad player - good luck to him.
 
Can't believe we've let him go. Best of luck Scotty. Sincerely hope you succeed in Italy,,
 
Disappointed to see him leave to be honest, not good enough to be a starter but as a squad player I was quite happy with him.

I think with the PSR rules clubs are going to favour selling home grown talents which is sad to see. Newcastle did it with Anderson, Chelsea with Gallagher and now us with McT.

Hope he does well at Napoli and they have potentially an all Scottish central midfield with them signing Gilmour as well.
 
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I liked Scotty and didn’t want him to leave, Eth wasn’t good enough to bring the best out of him.
 
JammyRed said:
I liked Scotty and didn’t want him to leave, Eth wasn’t good enough to bring the best out of him.
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I really don't get this? His best season was under ETH was it not? You literally on this thread praised his good season.

Teams like Napoli weren't coming in for McSauce before ETH coached him and moved him further forward. He'd have ended up at a bottom end premier league club.
 
IDFD said:
I really don't get this? His best season was under ETH was it not? You literally on this thread praised his good season.

Teams like Napoli weren't coming in for McSauce before ETH coached him and moved him further forward. He'd have ended up at a bottom end premier league club.
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I don’t give a shit if you don’t get it, Eth didn’t take Scot to the next level, but that isn’t really that much of a shock not many players have performed to their best under this enigma.
 
JammyRed said:
I don’t give a shit if you don’t get it, Eth didn’t take Scot to the next level, but that isn’t really that much of a shock not many players have performed to their best under this enigma.
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Dalot
Maguire
Rashford
McTominay

All played their best football at Utd under the current boss.

Could possibly add Fred, Lindelof and AWB.

Add in the 3 academy grads he’s promoted Amad, Garnacho and Mainoo.

He got quite a lot out of what he inherited but did need to move a lot of them on as even their best isn’t going to be good enough.
 
JammyRed said:
I don’t give a shit if you don’t get it, Eth didn’t take Scot to the next level, but that isn’t really that much of a shock not many players have performed to their best under this enigma.
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Language please - this is a family friendly forum!
 
Mr C said:
Hasn't he best performed for Scotland?
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Not sure I don't watch many Scotland games I'd say he probably stands out more in a team of players from the championship and the scottish league though. But I did say his best season not best performances under a particular manager.
 
JammyRed said:
I don’t give a shit if you don’t get it, Eth didn’t take Scot to the next level, but that isn’t really that much of a shock not many players have performed to their best under this enigma.
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Who did he perform better under for us than his performances under ETH? He wouldn't have been on Napoli's radar before last season and guess what they've brought him in to play that 10 role. Not at CB like Scotland did or as a DM like Jose thought.
 
IDFD said:
Who did he perform better under for us than his performances under ETH? He wouldn't have been on Napoli's radar before last season and guess what they've brought him in to play that 10 role. Not at CB like Scotland did or as a DM like Jose thought.
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Exactly this. ETH identified his best position was higher up the pitch and that’s probably where he is most effective now. ETH deserves the credit for this and anything other than credit is just pure manager hate for the sake of it.
 
jsp said:
Dalot
Maguire
Rashford
McTominay

All played their best football at Utd under the current boss.

Could possibly add Fred, Lindelof and AWB.

Add in the 3 academy grads he’s promoted Amad, Garnacho and Mainoo.

He got quite a lot out of what he inherited but did need to move a lot of them on as even their best isn’t going to be good enough.
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Maguire and Rashford have been all over the place give me a break, no consistency
Lindelof? I’m literally laughing my head off
 
IDFD said:
Who did he perform better under for us than his performances under ETH? He wouldn't have been on Napoli's radar before last season and guess what they've brought him in to play that 10 role. Not at CB like Scotland did or as a DM like Jose thought.
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The current manager has a reputation as a great coach or he did before he came, I’m not seeing it.
The best thing he did was put Sancho in his place but when it comes to moulding players to get the best from them he falls well short.
 
I'm pretty sure it was for Scotland McTom started to play higher up the pitch.
 
JammyRed said:
Maguire and Rashford have been all over the place give me a break, no consistency
Lindelof? I’m literally laughing my head off
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Rashford had his best season ever under ETH after 2 poor seasons. He has regressed again though.
Maguire after 2 awful seasons has returned a reasonable standard and been pretty reliable
Lindelof has been steady when called upon.

Neither of the 2 cb’s are good enough and will likely move on in the next 12 months. Rashford has ability but mentally I think he’s a bit to fragile to reach the very top level.

My point was for a lot of players ETH has rejuvenated them and got the best out of them but their best in a lot of cases won’t be good enough to compete for the big prizes
 
Mr C said:
I'm pretty sure it was for Scotland McTom started to play higher up the pitch.
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He’s been a bit all over the place for them in euro 2020 he was playing in a back 3.

They now play him as a centre mid with license to get forward and he banged in the goals that got them to euro 2024.

He’s a very good finisher but it was his general play that wasn’t at a high enough level to be a midfielder in a top side.

Conte’s way of playing which can be very physical will suit him.
 
jsp said:
My point was for a lot of players ETH has rejuvenated them and got the best out of them
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Some got better. some got better then worse, some got worse. Not sure he can be hailed as a player developer myself
 
Mr C said:
Some got better. some got better then worse, some got worse. Not sure he can be hailed as a player developer myself
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I would say there’s more positive than negatives in term of individuals. Easy to forget the absolute mess he inherited from Ole/Rangnick.

Struggling to think of anyone who’s career nose dived since Ten Hag came in.

Think we’ve reached the point where the bad eggs, time wasters and low ability group in the squad are now gone.

His big issue is not enough of the signings we’ve made as replacements have been consistent.
 
Ronaldo, Rashford, Sancho, Cas, De Gea, Antony, Bruno, AWB, Fred, Martial, Weggy, Sabitzer probably loads could be argued have had their worst season under him.

I mean last season was the wort for all of them wasn't it?

Even Mainoo is having a down turn.

He's no player developer.
 
Mr C said:
Ronaldo, Rashford, Sancho, Cas, De Gea, Antony, Bruno, AWB, Fred, Martial, Weggy, Sabitzer probably loads could be argued have had their worst season under him.

I mean last season was the wort for all of them wasn't it?

Even Mainoo is having a down turn.

He's no player developer.
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Ronaldo was trying to force a move.
Rashford had his best season under ETH and he's been hit and miss under each manager he's had
Sancho was poor every season. That's why he was benched by Ole.
Casemiros legs have gone
De Gea was playing excellently til the contract dispute you agreed on that recently.
Which manager has Antony played better for. He was made by ETH.
AWB allowed injuries to get to him and never showed any hope of improving going forward
Fred was excellent in his last season for us the powers above let him go because of contract dispute.
Martial retired as a football seasons ago. Injuries killed him.
Weghorst was an emergency loan but there's a reason it was a loan from a championship side.
Sabitzer was allowed to join us on loan for a reason. Both him and Wout should never have been at a club like United.

As for Bruno he was excellent last season. Just others failed to realise just how well he was playing because of how badly everyone around him was playing and the fact injuries destroyed us. He set up the most chances in the prem despite the team he was playing in.

The Mainoo one I'm going to assume is you just throwing out a bit of light hearted banter.

I dont even want to defend ETH he needs a turn around in form and Hojlund needs to show hes up for it. But there has to be some sense of reasoning in the hate being thrown at him and this one makes no sense.
 
Just saying to those who said he's some kind of player developer because McTom and Rashford had a good season under him. Plenty haven't too.
I'm not hating on him, but let's not blow smoke up his arse when there's no smoke.

It works both ways
 
jsp said:
I would say there’s more positive than negatives in term of individuals. Easy to forget the absolute mess he inherited from Ole/Rangnick.

Struggling to think of anyone who’s career nose dived since Ten Hag came in.

Think we’ve reached the point where the bad eggs, time wasters and low ability group in the squad are now gone.

His big issue is not enough of the signings we’ve made as replacements have been consistent.
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Most of those he has brought in have been crap to start with, so nose diving was not an option.
 
jsp said:
He’s been a bit all over the place for them in euro 2020 he was playing in a back 3.

They now play him as a centre mid with license to get forward and he banged in the goals that got them to euro 2024.

He’s a very good finisher but it was his general play that wasn’t at a high enough level to be a midfielder in a top side.

Conte’s way of playing which can be very physical will suit him.
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But thats not what I said, I said I thought it was Scotland who discovered Scott was better in a more advanced role. And not ETH. All the other positions I didn't mention

 
Does it, can only read the opening part.

That's not how I remember it. He played it first for Scotland. I'll try and find a free article
 
Mr C said:
But thats not what I said, I said I thought it was Scotland who discovered Scott was better in a more advanced role. And not ETH. All the other positions I didn't mention

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The article even explains why he isn’t used that way by Utd.

He played as an attacking midfielder through the academy it was Jose and Ole who converted him to a holding midfielder.

Scotland play a totally different way to Utd and his goal scoring prowess came through for them. Ten Hag then found a way to utilise that at Utd by getting him in the box more and crossing the ball.
 
Don't get me wrong, he wasn't good enough. Just saying, ETH shouldn't be hailed as a manager who develops players.

This article says it was Clarke. Not that it really matters, it's not point trying to be made. Just hoping my memory hasn't gone as that's how I remember it :p

Actually on a re read, it's a bit confusing

I just don't think fans should hail him as some guru when he's not.

www.google.com

Manchester United news: Steve Clarke has allowed Scott McTominay to 'flourish' - Pat Nevin

Manchester United news: Steve Clarke has allowed Scott McTominay to 'flourish' - Pat Nevin
www.google.com
 
I don’t think anyone is hailing him as a guru just giving him some credit where it’s due on some of the improvements he’s made with players he inherited.
 

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