Scott McTominay | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

apart from the 69 minutes before he came on.

He's fit, just crap and lazy

Behave yourself if you've got a player who isn't fully fit you don't have them running up and down the touchline in readiness, EtH probably hoped Eriksen played the full 90 minutes as it wasn't at Premier League pace, but when he needed to make a change it was either Scott, talented hothead Hannibal or an untested Dan Gore who is also a bit of a hothead. Now if he could have taken a 5-minute time-out he(EtH) may have made a different decision, but he didn't, and if Scott puts his hand up you have to trust the player, For all we know Scott may have realised when he ran on he wasn't right/fit enough, who apart from Scott knows

As I said at least he's making himself available, not sat at home with his feet up because he's stubbed his big toe .... or sulking because that nasty man from Holland shouted at them ....
 
Fitness talk is nonsense he'd been on the pitch 10 minutes when that happened, think shortly after that he tripped over the ball in a promising position as well.

The lad played twice for Scotland over the international break and against Brighton at the weekend so he had the time to build up his fitness.

This is out of character for him but it was obviously a frustration that will trigger a response from fans because when you lose the ball as cheaply as he did the least you can do is run back and try to stop the break.

Oh look Physio Joe has entered the building. An expert on injuries. :rolleyes:
 
There has been no suggestion that he's injured or playing injured you've just chucked that out there as a hypothetical reason for him not sprinting back after losing the ball.

I also don't know what's worse that touch or the fact he trudges back both are well below the standard we should expect from our player.

He isn't the only one who made mistakes on the night but he's the only one who seems to be having his mistakes defended or excused.
 
There has been no suggestion that he's injured or playing injured you've just chucked that out there as a hypothetical reason for him not sprinting back after losing the ball.

I also don't know what's worse that touch or the fact he trudges back both are well below the standard we should expect from our player.

He isn't the only one who made mistakes on the night but he's the only one who seems to be having his mistakes defended or excused.

Do you really think i've got nothing to do with my life ffs

EtH said McTominay was down to start against Arsenal only 19 days ago but he had to replace him at the last minute because a re-occurring injury flared up again - now you could argue he should have rested up and not gone away with Scotland - but it will have been a joint decision(player/club doctor). It might be one of those injuries that just goes away, or one that doesn't get better with rest, who knows ....
 
Do you really think i've got nothing to do with my life ffs

EtH said McTominay was down to start against Arsenal only 19 days ago but he had to replace him at the last minute because a re-occurring injury flared up again - now you could argue he should have rested up and not gone away with Scotland - but it will have been a joint decision(player/club doctor). It might be one of those injuries that just goes away, or one that doesn't get better with rest, who knows ....

I'm aware of the the injury that meant he missed Arsenal but since then he's start 3 games for club/country which suggests it isn't a huge problem and if it's so bad that he can only jog and not sprint then I doubt he's starting against Brighton even with the lack of options.

It might be this, it might be that, it might just be that, it might be he thought sod it it's 3-1 why bother we don't really know.

The touch that lost the ball is sadly a trait of his fully fit or not that is a problem. You can't play in midfield and give the ball away as cheaply as he does.
 
I'm aware of the the injury that meant he missed Arsenal but since then he's start 3 games for club/country which suggests it isn't a huge problem and if it's so bad that he can only jog and not sprint then I doubt he's starting against Brighton even with the lack of options.

It might be this, it might be that, it might just be that, it might be he thought sod it it's 3-1 why bother we don't really know.

The touch that lost the ball is sadly a trait of his fully fit or not that is a problem. You can't play in midfield and give the ball away as cheaply as he does.

Race you to the Bruno and I really miss Paul Pogba threads

Just give me a head start i'm 60, and wheezy
 
Unleash McFellaini

We have a new plan B.

Fantastic moment for him bet he’s still buzzing off it.
 
To be fair to him, he is actually one of our best finishers at the club. Give him a chance in the box and he’s all over it.
 
Borderline compliment there, I need to go lie down in a dark room, and listen to Des O'Connor ....
 
I’ve always liked him as a squad player but my opinion has always been if someone offers you £40-45m you would probably take it. My opinion hasn’t changed on that.
 
He has a belter, followed by a load of gash. Is better when he plays more forward.
I'd keep him as a squad player for now
 
My issue really is I don't see where he fits the system/style he's always going to be a plan B or even plan C and you have to adapt the way the team plays with him in it because he's a centre mid who doesn't really want to get on the ball and control possession which is what we believe Ten Hag wants.

There are teams that will get a lot more out of him and play more to his strengths so that is why I'd still be looking to move him on in the summer.

There will be games like Saturday where he's chucked on as we're chasing a goal and the ball breaks for him but really if plan A is working we shouldn't need to be resorting to sticking the big lads in the box and hoping the ball breaks our way.
 
Very harsh decision that only gets given by VAR looking for a problem on every goal.

The keeper didn't even complain and it didn't look like the Spain players did either but good old VAR gets involved and realised that a player who nudged the keeper had his big toe offside.
 
He was offside from what I saw, I think the VAR decision was offside, not a foul.

If you're offside you're offside. Plus he did impede the keeper.

Lot of fuss over nothing. No goal for me.

Was a beauty though
 
innit

I bet we all wished we didn't moan about bad decisions pre VAR now

Go back and accept errors
 
Football fans will always moan it's in our nature but it's no different now rather than moan about refs making bad decisions we moan about VAR making bad decisions.
 
Football fans will always moan it's in our nature but it's no different now rather than moan about refs making bad decisions we moan about VAR making bad decisions.
At least with refs you can understand why they would make errors as they are split case decisions!

VAR still get things wrong when they have technology, a cohort of them in the VAR room, different angles, a thousand replays!
 
At least with refs you can understand why they would make errors as they are split case decisions!

VAR still get things wrong when they have technology, a cohort of them in the VAR room, different angles, a thousand replays!

They are still humans though making decisions by watching a video.

The decision last night is probably technically correct, the guy is stood offside and he leans on the keeper so he has to be deemed active even if the keeper isn't getting anywhere near that ball.

It's just a strange system because of the way it's been designed. The VAR watches everything in the background then jumps in when he feels there's a mistake. In other sports teams either call for a challenge to a decision or the on field official asks for someone to take another look at something he feels he might not have seen clearly.

Because football is so low scoring they probably do have to check every single goal but I'm assuming in Rugby they don't check every try or every penalty that a team wants to kick.
 
They are still humans but the errors or controversy should be minimal because of the technology. But there seems to be so much controversy that comes every week, mainly because a lack of clarity on all rules like handball for example.

I guess the ref on field might have a different perception to the VAR officials, so that’s where it gets a little clouded for me. It’s not as cut and dry as cricket for example. But I guess it’s here to stay but there will be continue to be controversy of the system and how the system affects the enjoyment of the game.
 
They are still humans but the errors or controversy should be minimal because of the technology. But there seems to be so much controversy that comes every week, mainly because a lack of clarity on all rules like handball for example.

I guess the ref on field might have a different perception to the VAR officials, so that’s where it gets a little clouded for me. It’s not as cut and dry as cricket for example. But I guess it’s here to stay but there will be continue to be controversy of the system and how the system affects the enjoyment of the game.

The rules are so open to interpretation and a lot of what VAR checks is subjective decisions. Generally it’s very good at offside and ball out of play stuff where things aren’t subjective.

When it comes to a penalty or red card decision so much is dictated by what decision the ref gave on the field as they are only looking to change that decision if they feel he is obviously wrong. So VAR isn’t there to get more of the close calls correct it is there to reduce the number of totally wrong decisions.

They’ve changed the rules so much because of VAR. The premier league having its own version of the handball rule doesn’t help as the handball rule is actually quite simple now but they don’t use the simple version. I don’t like the simple version but it’s the rule and we should follow it.

I would ditch it tomorrow if we could but I think the managers/players like it even if fans generally don’t.
 
Just heard that McTominay made a total of 8 passes against Sheffield United. That’s shockingly bad for a midfielder and the reason he shouldn’t be a regular starter.
 
He played 63 minutes and completed 8 out of 9 passes.

Amrabat/Bruno both attempted over 60 passes in the 90 minutes

Eriksen played just under 30 minutes and attempted 28 passes.
 
Thought he did okay last night the penalty aside which was very harsh in truth.

He did okay when he moved back into a deeper role as well. Also had a good couple of moments in the box where he darted in late.
 
Missed an absolute sitter second half and gave away a penalty.

Aside from that he was ok, haha!

Just not good enough at this level we've seen enough over the last however many years to know that but it's not like the others around him are pulling up trees at the moment.
 
Think the way they play just really suits him they play him high up they're direct towards him and get good crosses into the box for him to attack.

He's not asked to be a play maker and break down a team that's sitting in most of the time they're playing on the break and he can use his strengths to get up with the attackers and anticipate where the ball is going to break for him.
 
They definitely play to his strengths and essentially let him have that free role where he can just get into the box at will. They’ve definitely found upon a system where he does flourish in.
 
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