Scott McTominay | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

It's why he's being phased out of the club because he doesn't fit what we need from players in his position.

I didn't say he was responsible for our defeats in general or what happened on Saturday, more that what we got from him was the typical stuff of him not being able to really influence the game because of the way we want to play.

I just think he's a limited player who we shouldn't be relying on and he needs to move to a club that's going to play to his strengths rather than expose his weaknesses.

The longer he stays at Utd the more doors will close to him and suddenly the mid table sides like Villa or West Ham won't be calling your agent it'll be the relegation battle sides like Everton or Championship clubs.

Are you being purposely dense, there is not one United fan on the planet that is suggesting he should be a starter, but if you think he's not useful as a midfielder that has qualities arriving late in the box and scoring goals when he's played in his best position you are confirming it.
 
Are you being purposely dense, there is not one United fan on the planet that is suggesting he should be a starter, but if you think he's not useful as a midfielder that has qualities arriving late in the box and scoring goals when he's played in his best position you are confirming it.
You think his best position is further forward as a number 10 style role?
 
Are you being purposely dense, there is not one United fan on the planet that is suggesting he should be a starter, but if you think he's not useful as a midfielder that has qualities arriving late in the box and scoring goals when he's played in his best position you are confirming it.

No but there can't be many who think he shouldn't be relied on as a backup either.

Last night was just frustrating because he killed 2 promising attacking positions because of a bad touch and the other I think he slipped and fell. The one where his bad touch lost possession he just turned around and jogged. He'd been on the pitch 5 minutes and couldn't even be arsed to sprint back after losing the ball.
 
No but there can't be many who think he shouldn't be relied on as a backup either.

Last night was just frustrating because he killed 2 promising attacking positions because of a bad touch and the other I think he slipped and fell. The one where his bad touch lost possession he just turned around and jogged. He'd been on the pitch 5 minutes and couldn't even be arsed to sprint back after losing the ball.

Nope, read that 4/5 times and haven't got a clue what you are saying.
 
Nope, read that 4/5 times and haven't got a clue what you are saying.

My mistake but I'm sure you knew what I meant to say.

There can't be many who think he should be relied on as a backup either.
 
My mistake but I'm sure you knew what I meant to say.

There can't be many who think he should be relied on as a backup either.

There's probably less than there were a year ago, but that's as much to do with him not moving on so they can be critical of his replacement than on Scott's ability.
 
There's probably less than there were a year ago, but that's as much to do with him not moving on so they can be critical of his replacement than on Scott's ability.

Think the change in style makes him less useful as a squad player because when he comes on the team will have to change the way he plays.

You see the top sides now all the pieces seem to just slow in the rolls and the players can normally play in 1 or 2 of the rolls.

McT just looks like a piece that no longer fits.

I get leaving Utd is hard especially for a lad who hasn't experienced life at other clubs but he really needs to accept the situation and move on.
 
Think the change in style makes him less useful as a squad player because when he comes on the team will have to change the way he plays.

You see the top sides now all the pieces seem to just slow in the rolls and the players can normally play in 1 or 2 of the rolls.

McT just looks like a piece that no longer fits.

I get leaving Utd is hard especially for a lad who hasn't experienced life at other clubs but he really needs to accept the situation and move on.

Hoping those top 2 lines were typed under duress LOL

He's the most versatile/adaptable player in the squad, and there will always be room for a player like that .... And he's homegrown ....

Should OGS have moved to Spurs after the club accepted a bid for him, or stayed and fought for his place??
 
Hoping those top 2 lines were typed under duress LOL

He's the most versatile/adaptable player in the squad, and there will always be room for a player like that .... And he's homegrown ....

Should OGS have moved to Spurs after the club accepted a bid for him, or stayed and fought for his place??

Was written while I was concentrating on something else so it’s riddled with errors.

Versatile in that he can be crap in 3 different positions. He can’t play the Casemiro role, he can’t play the Eriksen/Mount role and he can’t play the Bruno role.

Ole was a much better player and I’d argue the gap between him and the starters was smaller. I’ll throw you players like Nicky Butt, Wes Brown, John O’Shea and Phil Neville who realised it was the right time to leave as they no longer fit in with the plans.
 
Hoping those top 2 lines were typed under duress LOL

He's the most versatile/adaptable player in the squad, and there will always be room for a player like that .... And he's homegrown ....

Should OGS have moved to Spurs after the club accepted a bid for him, or stayed and fought for his place??
Versatile and adaptable are not words I would use to describe McT. But yep he’s homegrown, that bit was correct.
 
Was written while I was concentrating on something else so it’s riddled with errors.

Versatile in that he can be crap in 3 different positions. He can’t play the Casemiro role, he can’t play the Eriksen/Mount role and he can’t play the Bruno role.

Ole was a much better player and I’d argue the gap between him and the starters was smaller. I’ll throw you players like Nicky Butt, Wes Brown, John O’Shea and Phil Neville who realised it was the right time to leave as they no longer fit in with the plans.

Get outta here with that shit, versatile in that he can do a passable job at CB, midfield, and CF

Slightly different, it was less of a squad game then, United were top dogs and most if not all the lads you've mentioned were 28/29 or older
 
Get outta here with that shit, versatile in that he can do a passable job at CB, midfield, and CF

Slightly different, it was less of a squad game then, United were top dogs and most if not all the lads you've mentioned were 28/29 or older

CB in a back 3 (a system we don’t play) and I have never seen him play CF but based on his skills it wouldn’t be very pretty.

They obviously left with plenty of medals but it was still a squad game back then certainly for Brown and O’Shea by that time Utd were hunting 4 trophies a season. Slightly different for Butt and Neville as no one really went after the league cup as hard back then and it was only 5 on the bench think for most of Brown and O’Shea it was 7 subs.
 
CB in a back 3 (a system we don’t play) and I have never seen him play CF but based on his skills it wouldn’t be very pretty.

They obviously left with plenty of medals but it was still a squad game back then certainly for Brown and O’Shea by that time Utd were hunting 4 trophies a season. Slightly different for Butt and Neville as no one really went after the league cup as hard back then and it was only 5 on the bench think for most of Brown and O’Shea it was 7 subs.

When team start shipping goals they tend to go back to basics, problem is we don't currently have the personnel to do that, the next option is 3 at the back, of the two options the 2nd is the most likely - does it need to be pretty?

Going so far from my original point, posters like you suggest McTominay should have moved on because the club were willing to sell him, I offered up OGS(there are others)who refused to go, and i'm pretty sure most United fans are glad he did.
 
When team start shipping goals they tend to go back to basics, problem is we don't currently have the personnel to do that, the next option is 3 at the back, of the two options the 2nd is the most likely - does it need to be pretty?

Going so far from my original point, posters like you suggest McTominay should have moved on because the club were willing to sell him, I offered up OGS(there are others)who refused to go, and i'm pretty sure most United fans are glad he did.

I don’t think the circumstances are identical though.

OGS was good enough to be a Utd player and had proven his worth to the club and in his own words the manager wanted him to stay but the offer was one they had to accept. At that time we were lucky to have 4 strikers good enough to start every week for every other club in the league.

McTominay is a player who’s had a starting position for 2 years under the previous manager but now probably finds himself 5th maybe even 6th choice for the 2 centre mid spots. I believe I said he should move on for the sake of his own career as I don’t see him ever getting his starting spot back.

Leaving Utd is tough it’s probably his dream job but like those players I listed I think someone at the club needs to say to him it is time to move on for the sake of his career. He will be 27 at the end of this season with 1 year left on his contract.

There’s a ruthless side to it to in that Utd need the money because of FFP.
 
I don’t think the circumstances are identical though.

OGS was good enough to be a Utd player and had proven his worth to the club and in his own words the manager wanted him to stay but the offer was one they had to accept. At that time we were lucky to have 4 strikers good enough to start every week for every other club in the league.

McTominay is a player who’s had a starting position for 2 years under the previous manager but now probably finds himself 5th maybe even 6th choice for the 2 centre mid spots. I believe I said he should move on for the sake of his own career as I don’t see him ever getting his starting spot back.

Leaving Utd is tough it’s probably his dream job but like those players I listed I think someone at the club needs to say to him it is time to move on for the sake of his career. He will be 27 at the end of this season with 1 year left on his contract.

There’s a ruthless side to it to in that Utd need the money because of FFP.

Getting bored with this now, but the club didn't have to accept a bid of £5.5m(and from a rival as well)around the period United paid £7m for Cole, and Liverpool paid £7.5m for Collymore, now if Spurs had offered £8m ....

Ah the old 5th or 6th choice argument, hope he and Maguire room together on away tips .....

None of Bruno, Casemiro or Eriksen played well yesterday, yet 80% of all posts since Dinner Time(in the UK)have been about everybodies favourite fall-guy and a bloody kid - seriously!!!!!!!!
 
Getting bored with this now, but the club didn't have to accept a bid of £5.5m(and from a rival as well)around the period United paid £7m for Cole, and Liverpool paid £7.5m for Collymore, now if Spurs had offered £8m ....

Ah the old 5th or 6th choice argument, hope he and Maguire room together on away tips .....

None of Bruno, Casemiro or Eriksen played well yesterday, yet 80% of all posts since Dinner Time(in the UK)have been about everybodies favourite fall-guy and a bloody kid - seriously!!!!!!!!

Was still a great offer for a player who going into that season probably was the third choice whereas in the Cole/Collymore example it was big clubs taking a small clubs star man which obviously attracts a premium. Utd ended up paying around £12m for Yorke that summer

He's 26 with over 200 first team appearances in his 7th season as a first team player, he is not a child anymore.

The difference is no one on those threads is trying to defend how crap those players were.

He was crap when he came on even you can surely admit that.
 
Was still a great offer for a player who going into that season probably was the third choice whereas in the Cole/Collymore example it was big clubs taking a small clubs star man which obviously attracts a premium. Utd ended up paying around £12m for Yorke that summer

He's 26 with over 200 first team appearances in his 7th season as a first team player, he is not a child anymore.

The difference is no one on those threads is trying to defend how crap those players were.

He was crap when he came on even you can surely admit that.

Nah mate, that was the best performance i've ever seen from a Manchester United player, i'm not ashamed to admit it brought a tear to my eye ...

He's obviously nowhere near fit, if he had been he would have started.
 
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It’s unforgivable that you don’t bust a guy to get back when losing the ball.

This is what sets apart other teams to us. There has seemed to be a distinct lack of desire for our players to track back, do the hard yards etc.
 
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It’s unforgivable that you don’t bust a guy to get back when losing the ball.

This is what sets apart other teams to us. There has seemed to be a distinct lack of desire for our players to track back, do the hard yards etc.


Been waiting for somebody to post that ....

There's one thing you can't throw at McTominay is his lack of effort, he obviously isn't fit and in Germany he didn't have enough time to do a proper warm-up, at least he's putting his hand up, Unlike some chancers I could mention.
 
Is he not fit? He isn’t fit enough to make something more than a gentle amble to get the ball back he lost?

The video also shows his lack of creativity and awareness as well, there was a little first time through ball on as well but he didn’t try it.
 
Fitness talk is nonsense he'd been on the pitch 10 minutes when that happened, think shortly after that he tripped over the ball in a promising position as well.

The lad played twice for Scotland over the international break and against Brighton at the weekend so he had the time to build up his fitness.

This is out of character for him but it was obviously a frustration that will trigger a response from fans because when you lose the ball as cheaply as he did the least you can do is run back and try to stop the break.
 

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