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I think at United the problem is exacerbated though? Because the signings have so heavily been by the manager. There’s been no identity at United due to the previous structure. I mean would Amorim have signed 2 CBs, a RB/LB, a CM and a slow striker in the summer? I guess you will never know but I very much doubt it. If he wants to play 3-4-3 then he doesn’t have the players to do it…
He doesn’t really have wing backs so he’ll have to make do there. He doesn’t really have the attacking players to fit what he needs in terms of work rate and discipline.
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Think on paper all the full backs could convert to playing as wing backs quite easily.
If they were thinking of moving to a back 3 longer term the decision to buy 2 centre backs maybe made more sense than it did at the time. Probably need another one or two in the summer as I suspect Maguire, Lindelof and Evans will all leave next summer.
The only summer signing that on paper doesn't fit Amorim is Zirkzee although he may be able to work with him as I do think there's some raw talent there.
The big question is where do the wingers fit if they're going to play inside as part of the front 3 they're going to need to be a lot more creative.
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I don't think Amad or Martinez could play as a wing back.
The only player who's actually played the position to a high level would be Shaw who's played in that position for England.
There's a few players that should be able to do it but there's not much evidence about which ones can do it.
The only player who's actually played the position to a high level would be Shaw who's played in that position for England.
There's a few players that should be able to do it but there's not much evidence about which ones can do it.
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Shaw will do the role to a good level but is never fit and may struggle not having Rashford / the left winger there to help him. Dalot should be freed a little bit by it and should be good but only down the right.
Maz and Malacia simply aren't good enough crossers of the ball to be effective wing backs. You need to be proficient going forwards and be able to create the width and put in a good cross to play that wing back role. It's isn't as simple as being a good full back transfers well to being a good wing back.
Amad could convert and may suit him wouldn't surprise me.
Martinez and Garnacho are never wing backs.
With Shaw's injuries we need two left wing backs and a right wing back. It's definitely a problem area.
Maz and Malacia simply aren't good enough crossers of the ball to be effective wing backs. You need to be proficient going forwards and be able to create the width and put in a good cross to play that wing back role. It's isn't as simple as being a good full back transfers well to being a good wing back.
Amad could convert and may suit him wouldn't surprise me.
Martinez and Garnacho are never wing backs.
With Shaw's injuries we need two left wing backs and a right wing back. It's definitely a problem area.
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The system doesn't require the wing-backs to be elite at crossing. The actual point of them is to stretch the play and allow the two wingers to get close to the striker centrally. It's all about numbers and players being in the right positions to find space and have options. It's not meant to focus on direct wing play at all.
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We have 6 senior CB's in the squad for this season which is way to many to just play with 2. De Ligt, Yoro, Martinez, Lindelof, Evans and Maguire.
I think they expected Lindelof to leave but at the point De Ligt signed they knew Maguire was staying so maybe the plan was to go with 5.
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Don’t think the intention was to bring in two CB’s in the Summer, but when a player many on the continent thought was a potential generational talent destined for Real Madrid becomes available and you can afford him you go for him, simple as, but he was bought with the future in mind, and De Ligt the Manager thought was an upgrade in Maguire, most Managers would.
Maz has been a great signing, and an early front-runner to be voted best newcomer to the PL and was born to be a wing-back, as was Dalot so i’m not getting that we don’t have the players to switch to 3-4-3
And Ugarte was a player all the Oil state backed teams were desperate to sign when he left Sporting Club and if you give him some time to settle you will see why
Zirkzee, mmmm, but where you see lack of pace, I see football intelligence
So basically whoever the new Manager was and what system they favoured there’s a good chance they would have okayed the signing recommended by the committee in the Summer anyway
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I don't think that was case, that was the press. I am concerned about the way Yoro is being talked up, he's a good young player, but he isn't going to come in and save the day....yet. If he was some player all top sides thought was a generational talent, he wouldn't be at Man utd. Don't get me wrong, I like him, he's a good young player. I just worry about how much he's being talked up. We just need to calm down a bit.
It's no the lack of pace that bothers me, its the fact he cannot control a ball, pick out a pass, be in the right place. It's like he's rocked up from the local pub team and it will end up being one massive wind up/publicity stunt.
Struggling to think of a worse player.
He'll be loaned out in Jan or the summer.
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ok, he might turn into a world beater.
But from we've seen so far, he is slow, cannot control a ball, cannot pick a pass out, takes up bad positions. He received a pass on Sunday, it bounced off his shin and he fell over.
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Doubt anybody at the club thought Yoro signing would resolve all our issues in central defence long-term never mind instantly, he will be allowed to develop at his own pace like Saliba at Arsenal, would be be very surprised if he is a regular starter before the 26/27 season
And at your age i’d have thought you’d
have learned to be have more patience with new recruits, most struggle initially in the Premier League, remember talking to some Arsenal fans and they thought Vieira(sp) was just a big clumbsy oaf who couldn’t tackle, couldn’t pass and kept running into players, and Terry Henry just ran fast and always shot instead of trying to find teammates and Juve must have been laughing all the way to the bank £11m richer, think those two did okay in time, and you should know playing for United is a whole new level to playing for Arsenal.
SAF always send it was unfair to judge if foreign recruits are of the required standard to play for United till they’ve been in the League for at least a year, and he knew one or two things about football
Your comments on Zirkzee read like you’re blaming him for not being the player who you thought the club should’ve bought instead, you don’t have to rate him, but sorry some of that stuff is seriously ott
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I think we're seeing a player very confused as to what his role is in the team. Under ETH we both know the direction was horrible, and with that the player instructions too probably. This is a player trying to adapt to a new league with a whole new team. Do you think he even has one player that understands him yet, and vice versa? This is a very hard league to play in and until he gains some sort of understanding with other players he is going to be quite poor. He's not a finished article in any way, and we knew this when we bought him, which means he's not going to be able to shine all alone quite yet. He needs help. Then the next problem is the coach is sacked and he's now got to deal with a new one, and shift his thinking again, taking him back to square one.
I just think be fair, the lad has not even managed to settle yet and you're judging him like a 27-yr-old premier league veteran. Be realistic.
If your frustration is coming from us not signing a prolific forward then I get it, it's just not his fault. We have to support our players.
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Unless he works with the coaches on his speed I don’t see him making the grade.
If you can’t move quick you need to think quick right now I think we aren’t seeing that speed of thought buy him the time and space he needs.
A new coach might give him a bit of a clean slate. I was encouraged by his first few games but feels like he’s gone backwards quickly and that pressure at a club like Utd is never going to go away.
Hopefully he turns the corner soon
If you can’t move quick you need to think quick right now I think we aren’t seeing that speed of thought buy him the time and space he needs.
A new coach might give him a bit of a clean slate. I was encouraged by his first few games but feels like he’s gone backwards quickly and that pressure at a club like Utd is never going to go away.
Hopefully he turns the corner soon
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he is in that club
I didn't really understand what you mant by ETH. I didn't mention him anyway.
I'm not really sure why we thought two players with pretty bad scoring records could come in and run the line for united though, I could understand bring one in for an understudy
I'm not sure Nunez has improved, Jackson has a litle bit.
I wonder if Kane is ready to come back, help Hojlund out a bit to boot.
Zirkzee, I really don't think he'll be at the club this time next year. Has shown no quality or potential at all. At least Hojlund does show signs.
You are kidding? Zirkee looks terrible. I’m not saying he can’t turn it around but right now I’d be gobsmacked if he did. He doesn’t just look slow he looks inept. He barely looks like a championship striker let alone a player for one of the biggest teams in the world.
Yes he needs time to adapt to the league. Yes he needs time to find partnerships with his team mates. But from what he’s shown so far he’s looked woeful. Poor touch, poor link play, lacks any kind of pace, can’t beat a man, doesn’t really get in to goal scoring positions, isn’t physical.
You aren’t the only one seeing that bud. He’s looked beyond bad. Incompetent is the word I think that is most appropriate. He might turn it around but at this point I’d be shocked if he did.
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I think Zirkzee started quite well but has dipped off dramatically. I wouldn’t say he’s for the scrap heap yet, it would be nice to see all these players in a fully functioning well coached team.
He needs to show more desire for sure. He just seems slow to every ball and not quite up to the speed of the league.
The claims he’s up with the worst is a little bit strange, he was fantastic in a functioning impressive Bologna team. I know he can only really be judged with the eye playing for us but I would rather judge him in 4-5 months when he has become accustomed to the league.
He needs to show more desire for sure. He just seems slow to every ball and not quite up to the speed of the league.
The claims he’s up with the worst is a little bit strange, he was fantastic in a functioning impressive Bologna team. I know he can only really be judged with the eye playing for us but I would rather judge him in 4-5 months when he has become accustomed to the league.
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Yeah another point that has to be considered. He’s not a centre forward but does that mean his signing was not really needed? Should we have bought a back up to Hojlund who was actual an out an out striker?
I can see why Zirkzee was bought because he had a relatively low release clause for the profile of player he is. Also he was coming off the back of a stellar season for Bologna.