Ruben Amorim

RaimondVanDeGouw said:
He’s awful at press conferences, isn’t he? From the downright bizarre of “we could get relegated” to the now self depreciating, he needs PR training desperately. It never really makes for a good read once he’s spoken.

Biggest month of his career ahead and he’s basically saying “well, lads, I am trying”. Where do we find these blokes?
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Give it a rest.

The manager/coach is doing a fine job on all fronts.

What don't you people realise about his appointment? It was much sooner than he wanted. He wasn't even ready to join. He still hasn't had a lot of time with the sqaud and he certainly hasn't had time to add any players either. Him taking over when he did was almost a favour to us. Show some respect.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Give it a rest.

The manager/coach is doing a fine job on all fronts.

What don't you people realise about his appointment? It was much sooner than he wanted. He wasn't even ready to join. He still hasn't had a lot of time with the sqaud and he certainly hasn't had time to add any players either. Him taking over when he did was almost a favour to us. Show some respect.
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A fine job?! A. FINE. JOB.

That’s the funniest thing I’ve read since I last had a look at RAWA.
 
Anyone think we've changed our tactics a little bit in recent weeks?

Does feel like we're sitting off a bit more and have abandoned some of the pressing from the front.
 
jsp said:
Anyone think we've changed our tactics a little bit in recent weeks?

Does feel like we're sitting off a bit more and have abandoned some of the pressing from the front.
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He`s doing the best he can with a bunch of miss fits and never fit players, I`d like to see ANY manager sort this mess out
 
Of course but there's loads of criticism of him that he won't change and it seems formation wise he's not going to change that to suit the players but the way they play it I think has changed to suit what he has.
 
A bit of trial and error, some testing of players in different positions and results going back and forth were always a certainty. I honestly don't understand how people didn't see that coming.

So yes, you are right the tactics are being tweaked all of the time and that is a sign of a good coach. He's going to get there in the end I can feel it, because he's proactive.

We need to be patient with him.
 
Jayc1860 said:
A bit of trial and error, some testing of players in different positions and results going back and forth were always a certainty. I honestly don't understand how people didn't see that coming.

So yes, you are right the tactics are being tweaked all of the time and that is a sign of a good coach. He's going to get there in the end I can feel it, because he's proactive.

We need to be patient with him.
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Bit like Klopp in his first season at Liverpool. He stuck with his preferred system and beliefs despite inconsistent results to identify the players that could be part of his squad.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Bit like Klopp in his first season at Liverpool. He stuck with his preferred system and beliefs despite inconsistent results to identify the players that could be part of his squad.
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Yes. Very good point.

The coach is the least of our problems right now. If we give him the time we gave ETH then I'm certain we'll be a top four team again.
 
I think the issue is Klopp was able to get results while doing it. The season he took over they finished 7th under Rodgers next season was 8th.

Utd’s results have gone off a cliff under Amorim and the performances generally have also been poor.

We aren’t seeing to many early signs of improvement.
 
jsp said:
I think the issue is Klopp was able to get results while doing it. The season he took over they finished 7th under Rodgers next season was 8th.

Utd’s results have gone off a cliff under Amorim and the performances generally have also been poor.

We aren’t seeing to many early signs of improvement.
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I think the point being made is that Amorim is applying the same logic as Klopp did. The results upon each team using this logic can't be compared beyond that point, at least not yet. It's too early. Squad strength has to be taken into consideration too when judging performance levels. My point is, I think Klopp had a stronger squad to play around with.

Amorim needs a transfer window at least, to show what his recruitment skills are. He'll have a big say in the players coming in IMO.

It's a case of getting through this season with as little pain as possible and looking at next year to start judging our new coach properly.

My whole stance on team will change next year, I'll be expecting the coach to do a lot better depending on what he can bring in. If we can't supply the players he wants/needs then I think again we will have to give him some leeway, because as I've said earlier we were the ones that recruited him fully knowing the philosophy he will apply - if we can't afford to support that then that failure lands on recruitment, not the coach.

I think on the whole this is fully what was expected. The club knew we would be poor for the rest of the season, but decided to bring in Amorim now to get a bit of a head start on the new system. This is what makes the most sense.
 
I think the difference really is Rodgers played 4-2-3-1 which to start with was Klopp’s system at Dortmund. He also still had quite a lot of the squad that had almost won the league 18 months earlier.

Amorim’s system is very different to Ten Hag’s and it is totally fair to say we don’t yet have the players to play it.

The concern is how few players have adapted and look comfortable in this system. There’s question marks over pretty much everyone.

This will take a long time and a lot of money to change but it’s fair to say on the field we haven’t really seen anything to really cling on to just yet.
 
jsp said:
Amorim’s system is very different to Ten Hag’s and it is totally fair to say we don’t yet have the players to play it.
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It's also fair to say that was a reason not to appoint him and there are many managers that would be getting a better tune out of this squad and he is part of the issue not just the players. If your boss told you to work in a way that doesn't suit you he shouldn't be surprised you aren't doing your best. Amorim is the issue for this form not the manager. And I said that the moment we were in for him this won't go well.
 
IDFD said:
It's also fair to say that was a reason not to appoint him and there are many managers that would be getting a better tune out of this squad and he is part of the issue not just the players. If your boss told you to work in a way that doesn't suit you he shouldn't be surprised you aren't doing your best. Amorim is the issue for this form not the manager. And I said that the moment we were in for him this won't go well.
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Yep they could have found other managers to carry on the Ten Hag ideas and maybe improve results but I still think these players in any system are ending up mid table it’s just a very average squad of players.

He has clearly told the bosses this is the way I want to do it you might need to accept some short term pain for the long term gain here.

Will be big pressure on him to have this team looking a lot better for the first game of next season, he will need a good start.
 
This whole mess is because of ETH, if anyone is to blame it's him.

He thought buying a load of his ex players would work in the prem. It failed badly.

I feel sorry for amorim, a squad of really bad players, and no money.

But saying that, he has to do better, because he won't get long because of people like IDFD.
 
I think, despite the result today, we saw some light at the end of the tunnel, players like Heaven and Obi impressed, they are the future, add the likes of Dorgu and Ammad into the mix and you have the beginning of a team backbone.
 
There isn't light until we see some improvement on the pitch and looking like the system can compete against average sides.

Go back to basics. Because what we are doing isn't working.

Also whilst he continues his hatred for wingers we won't compete at any level.
 
IDFD said:
There isn't light until we see some improvement on the pitch and looking like the system can compete against average sides.

Go back to basics. Because what we are doing isn't working.

Also whilst he continues his hatred for wingers we won't compete at any level.
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Hatred is an unnecessary word to use
 
It isn't getting better but he's also had to weaken his squad in January because the club desperately needs to save money and he's lost 3 starting players to injury so he's really running on fumes.

As for the wingers I think there's space for them in the system but he's not really had them available enough to really see how they work.

Sounds like he's decided Rashford/Antony just aren't going to adjust and are going to need to move on. Garnacho/Amad seem to be players he's willing to work with.

Dorgu is basically a winger playing as a wing back on the left and I'm guessing he'll want an option like him on the right as well as I don't see Dalot playing that role.
 
jsp said:
It isn't getting better but he's also had to weaken his squad in January because the club desperately needs to save money and he's lost 3 starting players to injury so he's really running on fumes.

As for the wingers I think there's space for them in the system but he's not really had them available enough to really see how they work.

Sounds like he's decided Rashford/Antony just aren't going to adjust and are going to need to move on. Garnacho/Amad seem to be players he's willing to work with.

Dorgu is basically a winger playing as a wing back on the left and I'm guessing he'll want an option like him on the right as well as I don't see Dalot playing that role.
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Presume that is Quenda
 
I was watching a YouTube video today, I wont say who from. The two presenters hadn't got a scooby how things work.
Their major gripe was based on Amorim saying he doesn't have time to train the players to his system.
I (politely for me) pointed out what happens in a typical week at Carrington.
Play on Sunday, Monday is recovery, Tuesday is match preparation fitness tests etc, Wednesday is travel Thursday you have a game, that is what Amorim means by not being able to "train" it's all light work, or you burn them out. Rinse and repeat.
Even I as an old fuddy duddy know this, the pressure on players to turn out week after week without realistic recovery times is astonishing.
Yet these influencers with less football knowledge that a donkey spout their vitriol and certain groups of fans take it in and believe it.
 
That would usually be the case but in our last 4 games he's had an average of over 6 days between games and had time on the training pitch. We haven't been playing twice a week.

We had 9 days off prior to the Tottenham game. Played like a team that hadn't seen eachother before.
 
IDFD said:
That would usually be the case but in our last 4 games he's had an average of over 6 days between games and had time on the training pitch. We haven't been playing twice a week.

We had 9 days off prior to the Tottenham game. Played like a team that hadn't seen eachother before.
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That’s been our problem for the last 10-11 years to be fair.
 
IDFD said:
That would usually be the case but in our last 4 games he's had an average of over 6 days between games and had time on the training pitch. We haven't been playing twice a week.

We had 9 days off prior to the Tottenham game. Played like a team that hadn't seen each other before.
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That was the week where we lost Amad, Collyer and Mainoo to injury in training then had illness take out a couple of players. Think Ugarte and Yoro both missed the game plus there was the set back for Shaw.

He's been unlucky that when he's finally got the time with the squad the old injury curse returned.

I just don't think it's going to get better with these players (even when they're all fit) and we probably have to accept that.

The worry is how much can we really overhaul in the summer with the clubs current finances/psr concerns and how sure can we be that the players who come in will settle in quickly. As this could still be rocky for a few months next season if there's a load of new players to settle in.
 
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I can totally understand his frustration. He's actually playing with somebody else's team. He's also dealing with years of mismangement on all levels. He must feel a bit like a caged tiger.

The relentless abuse he takes from all over about his unwillingness to change his style of play already would drive me nuts.

I'm very greatful he took over when he did, as the circus that was ETH needed shut down.
 
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I did wonder if that was our choice yesterday as 3 games in a row isn’t normal.
 
Ratcliffe said he’s got the clubs full backing and they will be investing in the squad this summer to help him.

Said there’s a strong working relationship between Berrada, Wilcox and Amorim. Did seem to suggest that wasn’t the case with Ten Hag.
 
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Well it's started, albeit with a whimper, but Richard Keys (remember him, the bloke that got sacked from Sky?), click bait on Bing and MSN stating three reasons why United need to sack Amorim in the summer.
 

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