Ruben Amorim

The money thrown at the Antony signing was criminal insanity, someone should have been held to account for it.
 
8 defeats in 14 Premier League games is obviously a poor start. I think he will turn things around, it’s going to take time, not 3-4 months. United will need to be smart in the summer and sign the right profile of player to fit the Amorim system. Surely there are players who will fit the system that break the bank.
 
I’m not sure it will turn unless there’s a huge overhaul of players in the summer.

I don’t see an issue with the system but man for man the quality level has to rise.

We need players who physically can handle the demands and mentally can handle the pressure that comes with being a Utd player.

They’ve got to find some 25-30 year olds to really lead this team especially in the attacking areas.
 
There's always hope. You can change a team's fortunes with even one or two players. Look at the difference Rodri makes for City.

Amorim needs to get his buys right or find a bit of a gem for his system.
 
I think it’ll only take a couple of players for this team to start looking better. Obviously the squads needs a whole lot more than a couple but bring in an experienced striker and a more creative right wing back and you’ll probably start to see a more balanced side immediately.

Then you’ve just got to keep at it on the training ground and start to integrate an abundance of talent from the academy.

It’s another long road ahead but 10-11 years of nonsense in the transfer market isn’t going to be fixed overnight.

The time of us being a top team is well and truly over - still one of the biggest clubs on the planet but we do have to accept it’s a hell of a road back to greatness.
 
A striker should have been addressed in Jan. I assume they have something lined up for summer. David on a free
 
Mr C said:
A striker should have been addressed in Jan. I assume they have something lined up for summer. David on a free
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Seems like David is being linked to every club under the sun of late. Seen Barca, Newcastle, Liverpool, Juventus to name a few. We should definitely be in the running if we don’t have much money in the summer. However I don’t think he will be short of offers and a CL team may well be more appealing.
 
He's not that good, he's just better than we have, I imagine Liverpool and Barca could do better.
 
I've got the feeling that due to the position we could finish in, some fans are going to have to lower their expectations on the quality of players we could sign, add to that the fact that the club is basically skint.
 
jsp said:
I’m not sure it will turn unless there’s a huge overhaul of players in the summer.
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Quick reminder of the contract expiration dates of those not good enough players on a fortune in wages. We're kinda screwed till 2028.

Andre Onana: 30 June 2028
Matthijs de Ligt: June 30, 2029
Noussair Mazraoui: June 30, 2028
Tyrell Malacia: 30 June 2027
Manuel Ugarte: June 30, 2029
Casemiro: 30 June 2026
Christian Eriksen: 30 June 2025
Bruno Fernandes: 30 June 2027
Mason Mount: 30 June 2028
Joshua Zirkzee: June 30, 2029
Antony: 30 June 2027
Rasmus Hojlund: 30 June 2028
Marcus Rashford: 30 June 2028
Jadon Sancho: June 30, 2026
 
tripleglazed said:
Quick reminder of the contract expiration dates of those not good enough players on a fortune in wages. We're kinda screwed till 2028.

Andre Onana: 30 June 2028
Matthijs de Ligt: June 30, 2029
Noussair Mazraoui: June 30, 2028
Tyrell Malacia: 30 June 2027
Manuel Ugarte: June 30, 2029
Casemiro: 30 June 2026
Christian Eriksen: 30 June 2025
Bruno Fernandes: 30 June 2027
Mason Mount: 30 June 2028
Joshua Zirkzee: June 30, 2029
Antony: 30 June 2027
Rasmus Hojlund: 30 June 2028
Marcus Rashford: 30 June 2028
Jadon Sancho: June 30, 2026
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Why have you included Maz, De Ligt and Ugarte? Those 3 look good enough to be Utd players based on what I’ve seen so far.

Sancho is already sold Chelsea have to buy him.
Evans, Lindelof and Eriksen all on contracts that expire at the end of this season.
Malacia and Rashford both on loan where clubs have options to buy.

Utd really need those options deals converted into sales.

They also have to find a way to get Casemiro out this summer.

There is a way that a decent kitty could be built through sales but it needs a lot to go our way.
 
tripleglazed said:
Quick reminder of the contract expiration dates of those not good enough players on a fortune in wages. We're kinda screwed till 2028.

Andre Onana: 30 June 2028
Matthijs de Ligt: June 30, 2029
Noussair Mazraoui: June 30, 2028
Tyrell Malacia: 30 June 2027
Manuel Ugarte: June 30, 2029
Casemiro: 30 June 2026
Christian Eriksen: 30 June 2025
Bruno Fernandes: 30 June 2027
Mason Mount: 30 June 2028
Joshua Zirkzee: June 30, 2029
Antony: 30 June 2027
Rasmus Hojlund: 30 June 2028
Marcus Rashford: 30 June 2028
Jadon Sancho: June 30, 2026
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The length of these contracts should have rung alarm bells, spreading the cost over that number of years reeks of Chelsea trying to get around the PSR rulings.
Out of that lot, I'm not sure who if any I would keep, then my common sense tells me that this is standard of players we can afford while we are paying interest on a crippling debt.
 
Matt Varnish said:
The length of these contracts should have rung alarm bells, spreading the cost over that number of years reeks of Chelsea trying to get around the PSR rulings.
Out of that lot, I'm not sure who if any I would keep, then my common sense tells me that this is standard of players we can afford while we are paying interest on a crippling debt.
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None of those players signed more than a 5 year deal. It isn’t some sort of PSR loophole if you sign players in their early to mid 20s you will be handing out 5 year contracts. The transfer fees involved mean you probably have to give them 5 year deals.

The older ones did sign shorter deals.

Casemiro 4
Eriksen 3
Maz 4
 
jsp said:
None of those players signed more than a 5 year deal. It isn’t some sort of PSR loophole if you sign players in their early to mid 20s you will be handing out 5 year contracts. The transfer fees involved mean you probably have to give them 5 year deals.

The older ones did sign shorter deals.

Casemiro 4
Eriksen 3
Maz 4
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Your missing the point, PSR does come in to it, if you sign a player for £50m on a five year deal, that's a PSR spend of £10m per season, which is good for the books.
The downside is if they turn out to be lemons, you can't move them on as easily, which is what we are finding now.
This is why Chelsea handed out stupid contracts and managed to sign so many players, it's a loophole, it also means of course that you have a lot more transfer payments over a longer period, in our case £230m alone in 2025, it's not sustainable.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Your missing the point, PSR does come in to it, if you sign a player for £50m on a five year deal, that's a PSR spend of £10m per season, which is good for the books.
The downside is if they turn out to be lemons, you can't move them on as easily, which is what we are finding now.
This is why Chelsea handed out stupid contracts and managed to sign so many players, it's a loophole, it also means of course that you have a lot more transfer payments over a longer period, in our case £230m alone in 2025, it's not sustainable.
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I haven’t missed the point.

If you want a player that costs £50m in his mid 20s and you offer him a 3 year deal you are paying £17m for PSR (plus wages) and that player likely wants a higher salary for the short contract. You’d end up paying the same over 3 years and guess what if that guy is any good 12 months in you are giving him a new deal never better wages.

Judgement is key a dud is a dud no matter how long the deal is. We’ve signed way too many duds in the last decade.

Sign good players and the transfer fee gets quickly forgotten sign crap players and it’s all people talk about.

What Chelsea did was game the system in a way that allowed them to buy a whole new squad in 3 summer windows. The whole thing still relies on them making big sales every summer.
 
jsp said:
Why have you included Maz, De Ligt and Ugarte? Those 3 look good enough to be Utd players based on what I’ve seen so far.
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Nah they're just a bit better than the others. Amad and Mainoo are the only two I really rate. Bruno, Maguire, Yoro and Martinez I'd probably keep. Garnacho if he develops.
 
With no money available, and the owners making the bizarre decision to appoint a manager who needs a ream of players, but they have no money.

You've got think their plan is to sell Garnacho and Mainoo
 
At the rate you guys are going I’m not sure Amorim makes it to the summer. And that would be wrong and would be a terrible decision by the club but that’s how this seems to be going. Results can’t continue to be as bad as they’ve been.

I still think Amorim can turn it around but he’s been given a poor squad and one that really doesn’t suit his system. He lacks the full backs / wingers. He lacks quality in midfield and the attacking options are really questionable and most are not a fit for what he needs.

United need a complete overhaul but you don’t have the money to do it. Amorim is going to need 8-10 players in the summer and there’s no way he’s going to get that.
 
Mr C said:
With no money available, and the owners making the bizarre decision to appoint a manger who needs a ream of players, but they have no money.

You've got think their plan is to sell Garnacho and Mainoo
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The sale of Rashord should give leeway for the summer transfer kitty. Hopefully his departure will suffice meaning Garnacho and Mainoo will stay. Next summer could be a different story if things don’t improve.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
The sale of Rashord should give leeway for the summer transfer kitty. Hopefully his departure will suffice meaning Garnacho and Mainoo will stay. Next summer could be a different story if things don’t improve.
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Yeah selling Rashford, we know Sancho is going and hopefully someone will give us something for Casemiro. That’s a good chunk of wages going as well.

Then I believe the contracts of Evans, Lindelof and Eriksen are also expiring.

I am sure we will spend a bit in the summer and sometimes you don’t have to spend the Earth for good signings. The likes of Bournemouth, Forest and Brighton bought over some gems for not much money. But it does rely on your scouting and recruitment department to be hot all over the world.
 
I think the worry has to be how few of the existing players appear to be adapting to the new system and taking the spots we need to fill.

The full backs all look like they'll be converted to CB options going forward and the centre backs all look ok in the back 3.

At the moment doesn't feel like he's found anyone that can go into the wing back roles within the squad. I guess we'll see Dalot a bit more from the right now with Dorgu in but I'm not convinced Dalot will be a good wing back. I don't think he's anywhere near good enough going forward but he could be a handy squad player.

The centre mids with the exception of Ugarte none of them look settled in any formation no matter who the manager was we'd have to invest there.

In attack it just feels like it's start from scratch again none of what we've got look massively convincing. Amad and Garnacho provide a bit of youthful energy but it needs a lot more than that to really turn this thing around. We need some serious quality that we can rely on to get the goals.
 
as sad as it, if they are nailing their colours on Amorim, then is there really a place in this squad for Garnacho. The amount of chances Garnacho has given up this season under both managers is horrific.

Mainoo could play higher up, but then do we need Bruno, so you imagine only one of those are needed.

There are some huge decisions to be made. Will they dump Amorim and then basically admit their first two decisions re: the manager have been a disaster?

If they do keep him, there are going to be players sales that will piss me right off. Now that's not on Amorim.

These big time charlies that have come in are as bad as the Glazers. You only needed to look at Nice and their other sporting endeavors to know this. Brailsford has got to be the biggest scammer the world has seen
 
IDFD said:
It's 14 games 4 wins. He's got us in relegation form and some aren't realising just how bad it is.
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I think we all know how bad it is.

Most are just willing to accept this isn't all his fault and that we have to give him some time to sort it. Ten Hag ran out of time and was probably a lame duck manager anyway with all the new people coming in above him at the first sign of trouble they were always going to bin him. Hindsight being a wonderful thing they should have just done it in the summer and had that clean break after the FA Cup.

It's a dogs dinner of a squad and the decision by the execs to impose a new playing style mid season was always going to be difficult.

We just need to hope that the pain we go through here will pay off next year but most Utd fans aren't exactly optimistic about that happening.

They've made their decision and what they can't do is change their mind again as they'd look stupid.
 
Amorim has 13 points from 13 league games it is relegation form there's no way of sugar coating that.

There's 13 games to go and it's hard to see him getting much more than 13 points from those games which is pretty bleak as the team just doesn't look like scoring.

In those 13 games we have scored 15 goals (almost half the goals scored came in 2 of the games Everton and Southampton). I reckon in at least half the games we've failed to score a goal.
 
jsp said:
Amorim has 13 points from 13 league games it is relegation form there's no way of sugar coating that.

There's 13 games to go and it's hard to see him getting much more than 13 points from those games which is pretty bleak as the team just doesn't look like scoring.

In those 13 games we have scored 15 goals (almost half the goals scored came in 2 of the games Everton and Southampton). I reckon in at least half the games we've failed to score a goal.
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It's 14 games. 4 wins. 2 draws. 8 losses. 16 scored. 23 conceded.

The club cannot look at this and think he's the man to continue backing.
 
SuperRash said:
ETH 3 wins out of 9 at the start of the season. We were already in bad form to be fair.
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Yet again you're bringing up ETH after moaning I bring him up in every thread.

At some point you've got to just start analysing how bad Amorim is doing. How long will you keep using the ETH was bad too excuse? (But not this bad haha)
 
IDFD said:
It's 14 games. 4 wins. 2 draws. 8 losses. 16 scored. 23 conceded.

The club cannot look at this and think he's the man to continue backing.
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The site I was using wasn't counting the Ipswich game for some season must have had the date slightly out.

Well they haven't exactly backed him yet. He's had to loan out 3 first team players just to bring in 1 signing where we had an urgent need as the club didn't bring in a left back in the summer.

I do think the club have made the decision to go very lean for the rest of the season and that has massively backfired on them as they've been hit with a couple of really bad injuries. Martinez and Amad out for the season and Mainoo out for most of what's left. You'd think those 3 are players he'd have wanted to work closely with and concentrate on for the rest of the season.
 
IDFD said:
Yet again you're bringing up ETH after moaning I bring him up in every thread.

At some point you've got to just start analysing how bad Amorim is doing. How long will you keep using the ETH was bad too excuse? (But not this bad haha)
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Lets agree;
We weren't exactly setting setting the league on fire with ETH at the helm,
We are not exactly setting the league on fire with Amorim at the helm,
Now ask yourself what is the common denominator in all this?
 
IDFD said:
Yet again you're bringing up ETH after moaning I bring him up in every thread.

At some point you've got to just start analysing how bad Amorim is doing. How long will you keep using the ETH was bad too excuse? (But not this bad haha)
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I will bring him up if it’s to make a point and that’s what I did in this case. I have compared the form before Amorim. What I don’t do is bring him up in most posts as a stick to beat the Amorim out point.

I have never tried to suggest it’s anything but bad at the moment, however got to see past the state of us at the moment and take into account all factors. Most of us on here seem to see that point but you have a differing opinion which is fine. Although it’s a pretty narrow viewpoint.
 
Matt Varnish said:
Lets agree;
We weren't exactly setting setting the league on fire with ETH at the helm,
We are not exactly setting the league on fire with Amorim at the helm,
Now ask yourself what is the common denominator in all this?
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However we were playing much better football and the reason for the current rubbish we are seeing is on one man. Now ask yourself this. What change was made that led to us forgetting how to create chances?
 
SuperRash said:
I will bring him up if it’s to make a point and that’s what I did in this case. I have compared the form before Amorim. What I don’t do is bring him up in most posts as a stick to beat the Amorim out point.

I have never tried to suggest it’s anything but bad at the moment, however got to see past the state of us at the moment and take into account all factors. Most of us on here seem to see that point but you have a differing opinion which is fine. Although it’s a pretty narrow viewpoint.
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I find it very hypocritical of the many on here I've watched hound out 3 managers we should have stuck with to suddenly be defending the worst manager and football we have had to endure post Ferguson.

Most on here will agree with what I'm saying they just know saying it means admitting they were wrong and change doesn't always bring the right result.
 

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