Ruben Amorim

If he doesn’t start picking up some easy wins he’s making his life much harder next season.

The good will and patience will wear off quick as things aren’t getting better.

He has now got 1 game a week for the next few weeks it has to start looking a lot better.

However, we know a lot of these players aren’t up to the standard and he is paying for an absolute disaster of a transfer policy over the last 5 years.

This feels like it’s going to be a very boring end to the season and we will need a miracle over the summer to be anywhere near that top 4 next season.
 
I think this season is a free hit. It was written off before he arrived.
The board need to find some money and get players in early summer so he has a pre season.
Then I think it's fair to start reviewing where we are.
I guess the reason they wanted him mid season was so he could review it all and start next season with a bit of a head start.
If he joined end of season, all this would be happening next season.
 
After our worst prem finish he fluked a one off game on the back of Darren Fletcher's tactics which kept him his job. Which was a mistake by the board
More rubbish. But maybe we should have appointed Fletcher then. Be better than the dross we are seeing now.
 
I have faith he will turn this shit show of a team around
You can have faith. But factually he's the worst manager we've had in the last 40 years.

It's blind faith at this point.

I said it before he joined. And midweek contrasted with today shows it. The tactics simply don't work in this league. Teams will just turn your wing backs in to full backs and you have nothing going forwards.
 
You can have faith. But factually he's the worst manager we've had in the last 40 years.

It's blind faith at this point.

I said it before he joined. And midweek contrasted with today shows it. The tactics simply don't work in this league. Teams will just turn your wing backs in to full backs and you have nothing going forwards.
What can you do when the last manager bought untold amount of dross, and the board emptied the bank on them
 
Rude. And not rubbish. However I know you won't apologise

Link won't work.
Just type Darren fletcher, ten hag, cup final into Google

Ten Hag chose what tactics to use. He may have listened to his backroom staff. Like any good manager should. Amorim should take note and be more adaptable.
 
Ha, whatever.
He had to be told how to set the team up to get the win you're bragging about.

The rest of it is an interesting read too.

Awful manager, other managers called him a fraud, that's about right
 
Amorim needs to be told at the moment. We are seeing more dross than Moyes puts out. It's indefensible.

Me and You could get better results out of this squad and more attacking output.

We'd just do the obvious and play to their strengths.
 
Not really.

He's got a team full of crap bought by ETH.

He's using this season that ETH wrote off finding out what the hell he needs to do.

To judge him in this season is unfair imo

Its going to take something like this to move forward. Always was.

Kept trying the sticking plaster, didn't work.

Needs this surgery
 
What surgery?

Come on admit he's been shit. It's been a few months not 3 days. As I said we'd get better out of this side.

It's the team that Fletcher took to an FA Cup final and outplayed the champions ;)
 
You can’t watch these games and not agree it’s sh*t.

We can argue all day about why it’s this way but long and short is when he arrived it was sh*t and in 2 months he hasn’t fixed it.

Our descent down the table has continued and he will need to find a way to sort it soon before people lose faith in him and his plan.

He’s talking the talk but he has got to start walking the walk.

Those making the signings need to find some absolute gems this summer.
 
It is really really bad right now. I don’t go into any games with any sort of expectation of winning. However a manager isn’t going to come in and reverse 12 years of crap overnight.

No way Amorim should be absolved of criticism but there should be an acknowledged that he was thrown into the lions den wearing a coat of meat.

I think this season was doomed from when we decided to keep ETH on. If he lost that cup final I think he would have been gone, so it was naive to keep him in despite the victory.
 
We can argue all day about why it’s this way but long and short is when he arrived it was sh*t and in 2 months he hasn’t fixed it.
It's 3 months. Not sure why everyone wants to shorten it to make it sound like he's not had any games. It's 19 games. And it's got worse.

And he isnt talking the talk. His press conferences could get him sacked over results. They're pathetic too.

He will struggle to make the start of next season if this continues.

To say you can't judge him after 19 games is silly when it's been this bad. It would be different if you could see signs of improvement. But there is zero signs of it in the league.
 
It's 3 months. Not sure why everyone wants to shorten it to make it sound like he's not had any games. It's 19 games. And it's got worse.

And he isnt talking the talk. His press conferences could get him sacked over results. They're pathetic too.

He will struggle to make the start of next season if this continues.

To say you can't judge him after 19 games is silly when it's been this bad. It would be different if you could see signs of improvement. But there is zero signs of it in the league.
Says the guy wanting to give Ten Hag five years.
 
Amorim's game is all about having very good wing backs which are a rare breed and we dont have them, Mazroui in particular is finding that role very difficult, he`s a good back four defender but he`s no wing back, well not so far unless he suddenly finds something in his locker.
Depressing times if you let it get to you, I dont its not worth it.
 
Says the guy wanting to give Ten Hag five years.
Still judged him. Note I've said I don't want Amorim sacked. I want those hounding Amorim out to show some honesty.

And I'd take ETH over this shit every day.
 
It's 3 months. Not sure why everyone wants to shorten it to make it sound like he's not had any games. It's 19 games. And it's got worse.

And he isnt talking the talk. His press conferences could get him sacked over results. They're pathetic too.

He will struggle to make the start of next season if this continues.

To say you can't judge him after 19 games is silly when it's been this bad. It would be different if you could see signs of improvement. But there is zero signs of it in the league.

First game was 24th November. Including the 2 week international break where there was no players to train is a bit silly. The fact we’ve played 19 games in 10 weeks is mad enough.

He talks a lot better than the last manager ever did. Maybe I just want to believe but he talks sense and seems to at least understand the issues we are faced with. I think he went a little bit too far on Rashford but it wasn’t outrageous.

Where did I say you can’t judge him? Can you at least accept the downward trend that started last season had continued into this one?

I wasn’t up for another interim season but maybe the right move would have been keep Ruud until the end of the season then bring in Amorim with a pre season to sort this stuff out.

Changing this much mid season was a massive risk and so far it’s showing little to no sign of any reward.
 
He went to far on Rashford, Garnacho, Mainoo. It's not a one off.
 
Amorim's game is all about having very good wing backs which are a rare breed and we dont have them, Mazroui in particular is finding that role very difficult, he`s a good back four defender but he`s no wing back, well not so far unless he suddenly finds something in his locker.
Depressing times if you let it get to you, I dont its not worth it.
Amorims game is about playing against lower level leagues. It simply doesn't work here. I'd hope he'd try to at least be slightly adaptable.
 
First game was 24th November. Including the 2 week international break where there was no players to train is a bit silly. The fact we’ve played 19 games in 10 weeks is mad enough.
He took charge November 1st.

There were players to train. The club chose to let some leave. But he surely had others to work with.

Unfortunately he's stubborn and can't react. Or is showing that so far. ETH had two awful games to start and reacted. So far under Amorim his best game has been his first and they've got worse as each league game passes. Thankfully we have a side of players that will turn up for cup games.

Apparently Fletcher does those.

I'd love to see him turn it around. But if I was his boss I'd have had him gone this evening. Playing Mainoo up top was asking to be sacked. He's given up.
 
I'm not his boss.

I think he's shown himself to be severely lacking. And as a fan I think the fans have fecked us so much that it's going to take a lot of time because they stupidly hounded out manager after manager. Now we are stuck with someone who should be at a Wolves and cutting his teeth. But they're going to have to deal with it.

As his boss I think he's failed us so much in his little time in charge he's shown he shouldn't be backed. You made a point and kept on banging on about how Madrid wouldn't have persevered with ETH. Do you think Amorim would still be in a job at Madrid or Barca?
 
Amorims game is about playing against lower level leagues. It simply doesn't work here. I'd hope he'd try to at least be slightly adaptable.
Palace used the formation pretty well today and previously as well. It has a lot to do with the players at his disposal.
 
I'm not his boss.

I think he's shown himself to be severely lacking. And as a fan I think the fans have fecked us so much that it's going to take a lot of time because they stupidly hounded out manager after manager. Now we are stuck with someone who should be at a Wolves and cutting his teeth. But they're going to have to deal with it.

As his boss I think he's failed us so much in his little time in charge he's shown he shouldn't be backed. You made a point and kept on banging on about how Madrid wouldn't have persevered with ETH. Do you think Amorim would still be in a job at Madrid or Barca?
the facts are you hated the fact fans want ETH out. And you've turned into even a worse case than that.

At least we gave him 2.5 years and 600m. There was no improvement and we were moving backwards and signed a load of duds.

Its known the squad are not good enough. Yet you want the manager out after a few months and no new players.

It's like you've turned in a super hero person of the fan you hate with your perspective on Amorim.
 
He took charge November 1st.

There were players to train. The club chose to let some leave. But he surely had others to work with.

Unfortunately he's stubborn and can't react. Or is showing that so far. ETH had two awful games to start and reacted. So far under Amorim his best game has been his first and they've got worse as each league game passes. Thankfully we have a side of players that will turn up for cup games.

Apparently Fletcher does those.

I'd love to see him turn it around. But if I was his boss I'd have had him gone this evening. Playing Mainoo up top was asking to be sacked. He's given up.
You’d love to see him around but would sack him straight away despite your insistence of giving managers time? Strange.
 
He took charge November 1st.

There were players to train. The club chose to let some leave. But he surely had others to work with.

Unfortunately he's stubborn and can't react. Or is showing that so far. ETH had two awful games to start and reacted. So far under Amorim his best game has been his first and they've got worse as each league game passes. Thankfully we have a side of players that will turn up for cup games.

Apparently Fletcher does those.

I'd love to see him turn it around. But if I was his boss I'd have had him gone this evening. Playing Mainoo up top was asking to be sacked. He's given up.

He was serving a notice period up until the 10th November at Sporting which was the start of the 2 week international break so I think it's fair to say he started work on the 16th November with probably half the squad available to train. I think including the first couple of weeks of November is ridiculous.

On international breaks training grounds basically shut down for a week with the players filtering back in the 2nd week. I remember the training photos and there was a handful of senior players like Casemiro, Rashford and maybe Mount.

ETH reacted by scrapping his entire plan and basically setting up the team to play Ole ball again for a season. Solid defence and counter attack it was a short term plan that he never changed from until the summer. He basically wasted a season playing a style of football he didn't want to play. Not all his fault as he wasn't able to turn the squad over quickly to bring in his new style.

As for the Mainoo call we actually started the game quite well had two chances to go ahead but Palace adjusted and worked us out. Much like the game earlier in the season we didn't capitalise when on top. The difference this time was Palace took the chances that came their way later in the game. If he was leaving world class in form players on the bench.

I'd hear your point but reality he's got two strikers who haven't scored in months so he's tried something different. Reality he hasn't got anyone who's in any sort of goals scoring form so he's probably looked at a way to get his 4 best attacking players as close together high up the pitch as possible.

Naming 2 keepers no the bench every week is the more likely cry for help from the board to say he needs some attacking options.
 
Here's my take,
We were up the canal without a paddle when ETH was moved on, the trend at the time was down, it wasn't getting better.
Amorim wanted to come in during the summer, he wanted to finish the season at Sporting, but our board once again forced him to join us.
A lot of people saw Ruud as a messiah, he wasn't, proven that with virtually the same problems he hasn't turned Leicester around, he may have halted the slide, but I doubt very much we would have move far up the table.

Some of us are under the illusion that we have a team capable of winning, the fact is we don't, every player we have bought since ETH we have overpaid for, and the expectations naturally are high, even from our academy players, they are not of the standard that United demands.
 
Thats it exactly

I don't think anybody thinks we are playing well.

But judge the man when he has some new players. This squad needs ripping up. It will take a lot of time.
 
Thats it exactly

I don't think anybody thinks we are playing well.

But judge the man when he has some new players. This squad needs ripping up. It will take a lot of time.
I won't bore you with the list of players that I think should go, suffice to stay, only Mount should stay, purely because we haven't seen him play that much.
 
You can have faith. But factually he's the worst manager we've had in the last 40 years.

It's blind faith at this point.

I said it before he joined. And midweek contrasted with today shows it. The tactics simply don't work in this league. Teams will just turn your wing backs in to full backs and you have nothing going forwards.
Some one 37yrs of age saying that is quite ludicrous. When Ferguson was manager for 26 of those 40yrs.
That is the problem with fans in the their late thirties and early forties, all they remember is Ferguson, there was a Manchester Untied before then, and it was pretty dire at times.
You didn't have to witness the likes of Dave Sexton & Frank O'Farrell
 
Amorims game is about playing against lower level leagues. It simply doesn't work here. I'd hope he'd try to at least be slightly adaptable.
There isn’t a manager alive that could get that lot playing as a team there’s too much dross it’s got little to do with systems, when you have the likes of Eriksen coming on to salvage something from the game it’s pretty shocking.
Amorim isn’t asking them to play with a different shaped ball or anything out of the ordinary he just wants them to change to his system, it should be clear now that we have a very poor squad and that’s not down to the manager.
 
There isn’t a manager alive that could get that lot playing as a team there’s too much dross it’s got little to do with systems, when you have the likes of Eriksen coming on to salvage

I have seen relegation sides capable of playing as a team without having the quality of others.
 

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