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Ruben Amorim
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I don't think he can change it, not without a blank cheque book, and INEOS willing to write off 2/3rds of this squad as a loss, even if we get rid we will be held to ransom to pay a portion of their extortionate wages.
The whole transfer system at the club needs yet another overhaul
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Do people think that he should just abandon his formation or make some variations on it?
Personally I don’t mind the formation but you need to have two wing backs that are going to influence the game. Maz does nothing at RWB and Dalot is always coming back on his stronger foot. If we had Shaw for example on the left, I think we would already be a more cohesive unit. That’s why I would be for getting Martinez out there, Dalot back on the right and Maz back to RCB.
It doesn’t help having strikers who can’t score either!
Personally I don’t mind the formation but you need to have two wing backs that are going to influence the game. Maz does nothing at RWB and Dalot is always coming back on his stronger foot. If we had Shaw for example on the left, I think we would already be a more cohesive unit. That’s why I would be for getting Martinez out there, Dalot back on the right and Maz back to RCB.
It doesn’t help having strikers who can’t score either!
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What you have to remember is that this is the second system that these players have failed to grasp, at some point you have to look at the players.
Amorim said in his post match that he is not changing, it's the players who have to adapt.
I believe Dalot is better on the right, and was move to accommodate Mazraoui, If Shaw ever gets fit, I would have him on the left, and push Martinez forward as a DM.
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He's responsible for a lot of this squad. It's adds to why he's the worst manager the club has had
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Come on. He's been the best manager post Fergie. And the worst manager the club has had so far is Amorim.
I know you staunchly wanted ETH and now have to carry on the narrative but can we get some honesty about Amorim and drop the ETH abuse nonsense. You're better than that at this point.
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He can’t change the system this is what they’ve bought him in to do. If he changes it the players win once again.
Really he needs the club to find some money from behind the sofa to bring in a couple of proper wing backs. It’s clear none of this lot can play that position.
As for the squad between ETH/Murtough they assembled an absolute car crash at great expense. That’s left the club in a massive financial hole that’s going to be very hard almost impossible to fix.
The club probably need to buy 4 or 5 players in the summer that are all successes. No club is getting it right 100% of the time.
I really like Amorim he certainly says all the right things but the results are atrocious that cannot be denied.
We have to accept there’s no quick fix to this.
Really he needs the club to find some money from behind the sofa to bring in a couple of proper wing backs. It’s clear none of this lot can play that position.
As for the squad between ETH/Murtough they assembled an absolute car crash at great expense. That’s left the club in a massive financial hole that’s going to be very hard almost impossible to fix.
The club probably need to buy 4 or 5 players in the summer that are all successes. No club is getting it right 100% of the time.
I really like Amorim he certainly says all the right things but the results are atrocious that cannot be denied.
We have to accept there’s no quick fix to this.
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It's just my opinion, I have never been so unhappy watching united than under ETH.
And like it or not, a lot of these players were brought to the club by him. That cannot be ignored.
Probably if the club had sacked him when they should have, I might not have that opinion, but the start to this season was just too much. No coming back from that.
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It also can't be ignored that he didn't make the signings.
Amorims stint is the worst United period in premier league history. But you ignore it. That's what annoys me.
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In the first 2 summers ETH was in charge last summer he was not.
So I think you can fairly land Onana, Martinez, Malacia, Casemiro, Eriksen, Hojlund, Mount and Antony on him.
I won’t hold him responsible for the transfer fees/wages that’s on Murtough and the other execs but he signed off on all those signings.
They might not have all been his first choice but he approved those players as alternatives.
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Just see JSP post, he lists them, I'd also say there is a strong argument the players this summer are on him too, coincidence two were Dutch.
As for Amorim this season, how can you judge him when he's got a team full of gash bought by someone else
Give him 2 seasons and 600m, then compare.
I'd happily take a year of this if it means all those players are out the club and we have some players with talent/desire.
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The way this is going with no transfers on the horizon, we are heading down the table, we don't want to be in the position where we are relying on other games going for us to avoid the drop
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You could see this happening to us a mile off. A decade of poor transfers and throwing stupid wages at players.
We need a rebuild but the kitty is pretty dry because of the dreadful decisions of the bigwigs and previous managers. Amorim is the unfortunate guy to be here when the house comes crumbling down.
I am angry it has come to this because we’ve spent money on the wrong players and while doing so paying over the odds on a good majority of them. The club has been run into the ground and it’s sad to see us languishing towards the lower part of the table but I’m not surprised in the slightest.
It’s a tough tough spot we are in with very little money right now to give Amorim a fighting chance. Very depressing.
We need a rebuild but the kitty is pretty dry because of the dreadful decisions of the bigwigs and previous managers. Amorim is the unfortunate guy to be here when the house comes crumbling down.
I am angry it has come to this because we’ve spent money on the wrong players and while doing so paying over the odds on a good majority of them. The club has been run into the ground and it’s sad to see us languishing towards the lower part of the table but I’m not surprised in the slightest.
It’s a tough tough spot we are in with very little money right now to give Amorim a fighting chance. Very depressing.
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For me it's embarrassing for anyone that was ETH out to be supporting the shittest football we've seen post Fergie but made it even worse by claiming its better.
However to suggest this years signings were on ETH is ridiculously stupid.
Please show some common sense.
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Fully agree. However it should have been ETH given the time. But these pricks ruined it. Amorim has been far worse and none of them will call it out.
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I was thinking sold down the river, however I'm willing to reserve judgement until the end of the month and summer transfer window, one thing we do need ASAP is a proven goal scorer.
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How would keeping a manager who signed Antony, Mount, Onana, Casimero, gave us our worst premier league finish, followed it up with our worst premier league start be the right thing to do.
If the guy who signed the players to suit his "system" couldn't get a tune of them. How can anybody else.
Amorim needs at least 3 windows before you throw him under a bus. He's not even had a pre season ffs
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I wonder if the board (whoever that is) saw that ETH was not strong enough to deal with the ongoing problems in the dressing room. Sure, he could get the odd decent performance, but he still let many under performing players hold a powerful voice.
I think, in quick time, Amorin will get rid of most of this lot. I'm not convinced ETH would.
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It's absolutely nothing to do with the manager. Hence the big shift with the people above. Amorim has no say on signings or outgoings.
That's the style our fans have advocated. But our managers no longer choose who to buy or sell.
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The guy who couldn't get them to sing a tune finished 2nd and won two trophies.
Show some honesty and call out the current shit we are seeing. Once you start calling for managers heads for shit performances you have to stick by it. That's the place you put yourself.
Also please stop saying he gave us our worst premier league start. It was our worst start in 3 seasons. It's factually incorrect. However whilst a poor start Amorim has had more games and gained less points. But you'll turn a blind eye to that.
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The ETH out crowd. Those that boo managers and players.
Thankfully two of bottom 3 are doomed, Ipswich will be in trouble too if Wolves get something at Chelsea. Can see exactly why Ruben wanted to wait until the summer now but bullied by owners.
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The 2024/25 campaign is Manchester United's 32nd Premier League season. After nine games under Erik ten Hag, they have picked up just 11 points, which is the club's worst start to a season since the competition's inauguration in 1992. This includes 3-0 home defeats against Tottenham Hotspur and rivals Liverpool. It didn't go much better for the Dutch manager in Europe, as the Red Devils are winless in their first three UEFA Europa League matches against FC Twente, Porto and Fenerbahce. It was no surprise then that INEOS decided to sack Ten Hag following the club's 2-1 defeat to West Ham in the Premier League
Think we scored 1 goal at home. No win in Europe
I'm not a manager out person as you well know. However ETH was nowhere near the quality required. He bought a load of duds, couldn't get them to play, had no stystem after over 2 years and took us backwards. Sadly you just will not buckle, you think we should have kept him contrary to all the stats and what we could actually see. It's stubborness beyond all belief.
Amorim may well prove to be as bad, but he hasn't signed one player yet. Had no preseason and has a poorly built squad the last manager managed to Amass at great cost (cost not down to him)
So no, I'm not going to sit here and slag off a manager who hasn't had a fair shot. I am totally fair to our managers so he needs a chance. I backed all the previous managers apart from ETH, so why change that? ETH deserved what he got, he really was an awful manager for Man Utd. Maybe the job was too big for him. He certainly handled the press and the player really badly. Amorim seems much better at this apsect, which really is all he can do for now. Until he gets players in to help him.
The way things were going under ETH, I imagine we would be in a similar if not worse league position under him
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coming in and making such a big change was always a risk and so far it’s gone wrong.
ten Hag had just reached a point where it had to change. I liked him but it had gone to far in the wrong direction to keep going with him.
the worry now is the confidence is clearly draining out of them
ten Hag had just reached a point where it had to change. I liked him but it had gone to far in the wrong direction to keep going with him.
the worry now is the confidence is clearly draining out of them
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We had 10 points after 9 games in the 2019/20 season. 2 wins 4 draws 3 losses. We were 14th after 9 games.
2019–20 Manchester United F.C. season - Wikipedia
That was under Ole and we both backed him to turn it around. As we all know we turned that season around because we didn't make any silly rash decisions.
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- Man Utd have the biggest difference between Expected Goals and goals scored in the competition - they should have scored six or seven more than they have.
This was when ETH was sacked. This was never going to continue with that trend. Now we can barely create a chance when down in a game against a mid table club and show no fight. There is absolutely zero chance things would be worse under ETH right now. We missed 4 open goals in 9 games that cost us 8 points. I'm not going to let it be rewritten! Those things wern't going to continue happening.
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good research, 1 point out. I guess when you factor in the season prior that ETH had. It's just adds up. He just wasn't good enough. And I didn't like the man which doesn't help. Who wants a manager when you cannot bear them. I got angry every time I saw or heard him. His press conferences were awful. His in game tactics and substitutions were terrible. And held amassed a terrible side. His time was up. I'm not willing to comment negatively on Amorim at least until he's had a preseason and a window. If it's like this next Jan then we can chat about it.We had 10 points after 9 games in the 2019/20 season. 2 wins 4 draws 3 losses. We were 14th after 9 games.
2019–20 Manchester United F.C. season - Wikipedia
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That was under Ole and we both backed him to turn it around. As we all know we turned that season around because we didn't make any silly rash decisions.
When you look at that link you posted, you see how many goals Rashford was scoring.
I do wonder, is Rashford really performing worse in training than Antony, he can't be
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We had 10 points after 9 games in the 2019/20 season. 2 wins 4 draws 3 losses. We were 14th after 9 games.
2019–20 Manchester United F.C. season - Wikipedia
That was under Ole and we both backed him to turn it around. As we all know we turned that season around because we didn't make any silly rash decisions.
We did spend £50m on Bruno Fernandes in January to save our season, 1 of the few rash decisions that has paid off in recent memory.
I think he’s on a bit of a hiding to nothing. He didn’t have the players to play his system and some of the players he has are either not good enough or seem to lack something in terms of attitude or whatever it may be.
That said I think he’s being honest and I think the fans will respect him for that… But he’s not doing himself many favours with the players is he? I’m not sure how he can build unity and togetherness if he’s calling them out like this?
That said I think he’s being honest and I think the fans will respect him for that… But he’s not doing himself many favours with the players is he? I’m not sure how he can build unity and togetherness if he’s calling them out like this?
