Rasmus Hojlund | Match Discussion Thread 2024/25

SuperRash said:
Not sure many League One strikers would be getting 10 goals in 13 European games. So yeah a complete over exaggeration.
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That's still less than 1 per game, nothing to brag about
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Matt Varnish said:
That's still less than 1 per game, nothing to brag about
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Oh sorry it is a terrible record, awful figures not hitting the 1 per game mark.

This is where our conversation ends because you are clearly on the wind up.
 
SuperRash said:
Oh sorry it is a terrible record, awful figures not hitting the 1 per game mark.

This is where our conversation ends because you are clearly on the wind up.
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It's you that's on the wind up!
In comparison to other strikers in Europe he's not performing, in comparison to other strikers in the league he's not performing.
You may accept low standards, I don't
 
Mr C said:
I can see why somebody would say he's a championship player, because he cannot score in the prem. And there aren't many teams below us to loan him out to.
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He wasn't called a championship player. They said he wouldn't get in to a league 1 side. Nonsense like that should be called out regardless of your opinion on him. He'd score 50 goals in that league if people could get him the ball.

His issue is the only time we've been creating chances since he's been here was ETH the start of this season and he was out injured.

As I said even peak Ronaldo isn't scoring in this side.

But for the record Gyokores had 7 goals in 28 games in the second division in Germany when he was in Hojlunds age. We shouldn't be naive when judging Hojlund and understand the manager is letting him down and he is very young.
 
I think it's easy to just blame the manager.

I've watched him under two, and not been impressed under either. For me, he's not got that natural instinct a striker has to be in the right place at the right time. And his general play is sub standard of a top club.

Don't think he retained the ball once yesterday
 
I think it's fair to say both managers have let him down to some degree it isn't just Amorim.

Neither manager has managed to build a side that creates a lot of chances for anyone let alone the strikers. The ETH system certainly seemed to favour the wide players getting chances more that the centre forward.

Amorim I think has just looked to work on control of games which has certainly come at a cost going forward.

If the ball was constantly flying into the box and he was nowhere to be seen I could get the criticism of him but that position has been a tough one for anyone to play for the last 18 months.
 
as I said, often the wingers are there to put the ball in, Hojlund isn't in the right place, so we recycle it.

I'm in no way absolving the managers of anything, but in this case, the player isn't anywhere near good enough
 
IDFD said:
We shouldn't be naive when judging Hojlund and understand the manager is letting him down and he is very young.
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Goodness me, you really have it in for Amorin. Maybe the manager is doing what he thinks will best help the team and get them playing to his style. He's got to start somewhere. That's not letting someone down, its doing what needs to be done.
 
O-Dog said:
Goodness me, you really have it in for Amorin. Maybe the manager is doing what he thinks will best help the team and get them playing to his style. He's got to start somewhere. That's not letting someone down, its doing what needs to be done.
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We aren't doing what needs to be done. Hence our results and having one shot on target yesterday. The forward play is non existent and we are criticising a striker for not scoring when not a single chance was created for him. The fact he didn't score yesterday wasn't on him when he didn't have a single chance to score.
 
jsp said:
I think it's fair to say both managers have let him down to some degree it isn't just Amorim.

Neither manager has managed to build a side that creates a lot of chances for anyone let alone the strikers. The ETH system certainly seemed to favour the wide players getting chances more that the centre forward.

Amorim I think has just looked to work on control of games which has certainly come at a cost going forward.

If the ball was constantly flying into the box and he was nowhere to be seen I could get the criticism of him but that position has been a tough one for anyone to play for the last 18 months.
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A very fair post. Hojlund can be criticised once he starts missing chances that are created. Until then the issue is a manager issue not a striker issue.
 
IDFD said:
We aren't doing what needs to be done. Hence our results and having one shot on target yesterday. The forward play is non existent and we are criticising a striker for not scoring when not a single chance was created for him. The fact he didn't score yesterday wasn't on him when he didn't have a single chance to score.
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You failing to see that Hojlund is part of the problem. It's getting to the point the players won't even pass to him because it's pointless.

You put a half decent striker in that squad the results and performances change

As for @jsp he doesn't get the chances because he's never in the right place.
 
Mr C said:
You failing to see that Hojlund is part of the problem. It's getting to the point the players won't even pass to him because it's pointless.

You put a half decent striker in that squad the results and performances change

As for @jsp he doesn't get the chances because he's never in the right place.
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You put prime Ronaldo in his spot nothing changes.

Your failing to see the team behind him is performing woefully and your strikers don't score a bucket load of goals without them performing.

He's being criticised for not securing 30/70 balls and scoring a worldie each game. Which is all he could do in this current side.
 
Hopefully we'll get a decent striker in this window and we'll see.

Even Zirkzee improves our team ffs
 
Mr C said:
You failing to see that Hojlund is part of the problem. It's getting to the point the players won't even pass to him because it's pointless.

You put a half decent striker in that squad the results and performances change

As for @jsp he doesn't get the chances because he's never in the right place.
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I think that's unfair because the ball hardly ever goes into the box.

Neither of our wing backs get forward and cross the ball and our wide players don't really cross the ball either.

There are times where you watch him or Zirkzee make a run in behind and the guy on the ball doesn't spot the pass or a player ignores them for a cut back for a tap in to shoot. One of the reasons we don't cross the ball is we never have numbers in the box when the play is building up on the left our RF and RWB aren't getting into the box to attack the back post same if we're building up from the right the lads on the left are not getting into the box. Most of the time it's just the striker in the box being marked by a load of defenders so they don't bother putting a cross in.

I think the criticism of his hold up play quality is fair enough because it's poor and isn't improving but I don't think a better striker makes a massive difference to this team unless the quality of the players in wide areas also improves massively.

Zirkzee is doing a lot of nice hold up stuff but he's also getting very few chances in games he's only managed 19 shots in 23 appearances in the league this season.
 
croady26 said:
Who do people think would be a better replacement out of Gyokeres and Osimhen
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I think you would have to say Osimhen has more pedigree and the better CV but really like the look of Gyokeres. He’s got experience of English football albeit at a division below but he has everything in his locker to be a top striker in the EPL. Plus Osimhen does seem to come with a reputation of being a little disruptive. So I think Gyokeres for me.
 
Mr C said:
You failing to see that Hojlund is part of the problem. It's getting to the point the players won't even pass to him because it's pointless.

You put a half decent striker in that squad the results and performances change

As for @jsp he doesn't get the chances because he's never in the right place.
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Thats not the issue and it is their responsibility to put it in the right place. It is Rasmus problem when he does not start to convert them. Thats said he tries too many times to fight with the CB in the central positions. I think he is not a player who is going to play with his back to goal or hopeful punts. The runs will come when the balls are played into the right spaces and if he does not make those runs or convert those chances then he is gone.
 
SuperRash said:
I think you would have to say Osimhen has more pedigree and the better CV but really like the look of Gyokeres. He’s got experience of English football albeit at a division below but he has everything in his locker to be a top striker in the EPL. Plus Osimhen does seem to come with a reputation of being a little disruptive. So I think Gyokeres for me.
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Yeah you make a valid point about Osimhen having more pedigree in a competitive league
 
justintime said:
Thats not the issue and it is their responsibility to put it in the right place. It is Rasmus problem when he does not start to convert them. Thats said he tries too many times to fight with the CB in the central positions. I think he is not a player who is going to play with his back to goal or hopeful punts. The runs will come when the balls are played into the right spaces and if he does not make those runs or convert those chances then he is gone.
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How can you cross to a payer when he runs in a staight line surrounded by defenders. Never checks his runs.

How can you get the ball out wide to progress down the pitch when your 9 cannot retain possession.

We get a decent striker, we get more goals.

Osimhen or Gyokeres. We don't have the money for either of these. You could probably get Duran for those prices.

We need to be shopping in lidl not waitrose. I see value in a loan for Ferguson to see if he can live up to the hype. Jonathon David. Either of these aren't a massive upgrade on goals, but certainly link up play. Sesko may be available for cheaper than those 2. Maybe we can push Hojlund in the other direction to raise the funds.
 
Mr C said:
How can you cross to a payer when he runs in a staight line surrounded by defenders. Never checks his runs.

How can you get the ball out wide to progress down the pitch when your 9 cannot retain possession.

We get a decent striker, we get more goals.

Osimhen or Gyokeres. We don't have the money for either of these. You could probably get Duran for those prices.

We need to be shopping in lidl not waitrose. I see value in a loan for Ferguson to see if he can live up to the hype. Jonathon David. Either of these aren't a massive upgrade on goals, but certainly link up play. Sesko may be available for cheaper than those 2. Maybe we can push Hojlund in the other direction to raise the funds.
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Actually he starts those runs but we hold the ball for too long. Everyone wants to carry it instead of the ball doing the work. Even Bruno tires to carry forward. The only early pass is the long punt forward.
 
O-Dog said:
Is that the same Duran who's scored 12 goals in 43 league appearances over these last two seasons?

I thought figures like those had you earmarked as a League One striker.
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I didn't say anyone was a league 1 striker. You've got the wrong poster.

What I did say was, we need a forward who is better at holding the ball up. We get that, we get more chances.

Plus, he is generally used as a sub, so less minutes. This season he has a goal every 30 mins. Hojlund is a goal every 500 mins
 
Mr C said:
I didn't say anyone was a league 1 striker. You've got the wrong poster.

What I did say was, we need a forward who is better at holding the ball up. We get that, we get more chances.

Plus, he is generally used as a sub, so less minutes. This season he has a goal every 30 mins. Hojlund is a goal every 500 mins
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Do we get more chances when Zirkzee plays? He's much better at holding the ball up but we still create sod all when he plays.

I think we've got much bigger problems than missing a quality striker. It would help as a quality striker can make a bad ball into a good ball which is what Hojlund doesn't do but we have got to get into a position where we've got quality balls going into the box on a regular basis.
 
Another frustrating night for him.

Just looks like his confidence has totally gone now.

In desperate need of a goal.
 
Think that first half headed chance kind of summed up his lack of confidence. There was just no conviction in it.
 
Yeah, he is playing with no confidence whatsoever. I was desperate for him to score tonight.
 
He's just not good enough.

again, his runs are so bad, Eriksen went to put a ball in, looked up, saw where was Hojlund was, again as per usual flanked by two defenders, so pushed the ball backwards. He's always in the wrong place or marked.

It doesn't look like we are going to address this in the window. Mistake.
 
Really poor again last night.

Did he even have a shot?

He really looks like he’s nowhere near ready and the club will have to make a tough call on him this summer.
 
Has no pace, does not run, press, control, or hold the ball. He is not bringing anything to the team at the moment.
 
jsp said:
Really poor again last night.

Did he even have a shot?

He really looks like he’s nowhere near ready and the club will have to make a tough call on him this summer.
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Come on. Clearly on the manager. We are blaming the player for the 10 behind him failing to create a chance?

It's nonsense.

And he has no pace? He's one of the fastest players in the league. Just we play to his weaknesses. Hojlund and Salah would struggle under this manager in this country.
 

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