Premier League 2024/25: Wolves vs Man United - Sun 26th Dec - 17:30 KO

Are they?

Or are they Glazers players? He hasn't set us back. He won us two trophies. You and our fan base set us back.

ETH was the best thing to happen to us post Fergie. You guys stopped watching and got result orientated
How do you explain a poor performing Antony continually making the first team under EtH?
 
They got rid of Ragnick because ETH wanted control over signings.
This squad is definitely his fault.
 
They got rid of Ragnick because ETH wanted control over signings.
This squad is definitely his fault.
Nonsense BTW. They got rid of Ragnick before ETH was appointed. Ragnick went because of his abuse about the upper staff.
 
We currently look like the 14th best team in the league.

That league table really isn’t lying.

Luckily Ruud isn’t making his new team much better
No. We currently look the worst team in the league. I didn't say we look the worst team this season. Since the appointment of Amorim we look awful.
 
That's not right, it was part of the ETH negotiations
It really wasn't. He went because of his abuse of our owners. I genuinely struggle to think you guys are aware of things sometimes.

How are you thinking it was ETH? Absolutely ridiculous.
 
I struggle to believe you think the glazers just happened to sign Dutch and players previously played for ETH. And he had no say in it.
 
No. We currently look the worst team in the league. I didn't say we look the worst team this season. Since the appointment of Amorim we look awful.

We were very hit and miss under Ten Hag as well.

Most of our points have come from the teams below us. 3 different managers.

This rot started last season and it’s carried into this season that’s why Ten Hag lost his job.
 
I don’t think the Glazers or their underlings were ever serious about giving Rangnick the power or influence he required.

They kept everything in house and surrounded themselves with bootlickers rather than experts who might challenge their wisdom.

Him being manager first probably meant he could never go upstairs the new manager couldn’t be held to account by someone who’d just failed in his job.
 
We were very hit and miss under Ten Hag as well.

Most of our points have come from the teams below us. 3 different managers.

This rot started last season and it’s carried into this season that’s why Ten Hag lost his job.
Hit and miss. Not go in to games expecting to lose. You think we would win today?
 
Hit and miss. Not go in to games expecting to lose. You think we would win today?

I can’t remember the last time I felt 100% certain of a Utd win.

I don’t think we are as easy to play against as we were at times last season but we’ve clearly got a weakness defending set pieces and going forward to we are very blunt.

I don’t trust these players not to make mistakes. The individual errors have cost us consistently through the season it lost ETH his job eventually and Amorim hasn’t managed to put a stop to it either.
 
Hit and miss. Not go in to games expecting to lose. You think we would win today?
I have little faith winning anything at the moment or at really at any stage under ETH.

The challenge for Amorim is to stop the rot and try and change things up. This is a real test of his mettle.
 
But ETH did win. Trophies happened.

Our (internet) fans are awful. And at some point instead of changing managers we have to call the shit fans out.

It's been the most laughable sacking of a manager and replacement the league has seen. But as I said before those fans hounding managers out deserve this.

(a few alt accounts have vanished since ETH did too)
 
I can’t remember the last time I felt 100% certain of a Utd win.
What about 100% certain we'd lose as i was today?

Against one of the worst sides in the league. We aren't bad under Amorim. We are Championship. I expect him to eventually turn it around.

But the worry is in 30 months when he's turning it around and there is a blip. Do we sack him?

Our fans that critisicse manager after manager, criticise Bruno. Deserve relegation. In 3 years they'll be City fans. And let's make it very clear relegation is a possible on the cards not just a little joke now after sacking ETH.
 
But ETH did win. Trophies happened.

Our (internet) fans are awful. And at some point instead of changing managers we have to call the shit fans out.

It's been the most laughable sacking of a manager and replacement the league has seen. But as I said before those fans hounding managers out deserve this.

(a few alt accounts have vanished since ETH did too)
it wasn’t laughable at all, behave. We wouldn’t be any better position now if we kept ETH, you can trot out all the xg stats you want but his time had come.

You sure like to criticise posters on here and you seem to be revelling in our struggles under Amorim! The constant attitude of haha I told you so is not a good look.
 
What about 100% certain we'd lose as i was today?

Against one of the worst sides in the league. We aren't bad under Amorim. We are Championship. I expect him to eventually turn it around.

But the worry is in 30 months when he's turning it around and there is a blip. Do we sack him?

Our fans that critisicse manager after manager, criticise Bruno. Deserve relegation. In 3 years they'll be City fans. And let's make it very clear relegation is a possible on the cards not just a little joke now after sacking ETH.

I wasn’t certain we’d lose this one as wolves are as bad as us. If we got the first goal I think we’d have won especially if we’d had XI on the pitch for the whole game.

If he’s sacked in 30 months what we can’t afford is another culture/identity reset. If this is the plan we need to stick with in and build the squad for it. Hopefully the signings in the next 30 months won’t be a complete disaster like a lot of the ones in the last 30 months.

We can’t keep changing everything because a manager leaves. My big concern now is there’s not going to be a lot of money to fix this in the summer. Next season might not be a lot better.

Football fans of any club are critical even during the good times, it comes with being a fan.
 
We are a much better team now than we were under ETH.
Unfortunately his legacy is a bottom of the table squad, papering over his tenure with two cups is slim pickings. Especially when the FA cup was masterminded by Fletcher.
We control games much better now. We are a much better team to watch.
The biggest problem we have, is the set piece coach needs replacing with a better one.
Lord knows how many games we've lost to set pieces.
But all the while this 600m + ETH squad exists, this is our level
We need practically a whole new first team squad more or less.

Thanks Eric
 
We lost the match because our captain has no idea and is reckless.
We keep 11 men we win that game
 
You wonder if Amorim will wonder at some point that these players just cannot play his way? His formation/tactics do expose our players obvious limitations.

I doubt he will abandon his way completely but maybe it needs a tweak here and there.

I fear this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. You just cannot really see us doing anything in our next three games against Newcastle, Liverpool and Arsenal.

I guess we just need to scrap away and hope the wins start to come. At least the boss is realising most of these players just aren’t up to the job. I would bin 90% of them but sadly the full scale rebuild will have to be gradual due to money constraints.
 
You wonder if Amorim will wonder at some point that these players just cannot play his way? His formation/tactics do expose our players obvious limitations.

I doubt he will abandon his way completely but maybe it needs a tweak here and there.

I fear this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. You just cannot really see us doing anything in our next three games against Newcastle, Liverpool and Arsenal.

I guess we just need to scrap away and hope the wins start to come. At least the boss is realising most of these players just aren’t up to the job. I would bin 90% of them but sadly the full scale rebuild will have to be gradual due to money constraints.
These players are clearly struggling with his new style of play which is understandable, he would probably keep a handful and get rid of the majority if he had a choice.
Corners are a massive concern and you have to ask if some of our players are thick to keep making the same mistakes every game.
 
They showed a bit of a comparison of their league records.

Since Amorim has come in we’ve scored more goals per game with a worse Xg for per game and conceded more with a better Xg against.
 
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The constant attitude of haha I told you so is not a good look.
I'm not revelling in Uniteds form at all. Do I think it's deserved for those hounding out ETH? 100%. It was foolish entitlement.

2 years. 2 trophies and a proven record of turning things around (his first season when he had to change things)

We are 19th in the form table under Amorim. You think that doesn't deserve criticism after all the rubbish they spoke? Remember it was incessant about how things would change if a decent manager came in and played the right tactics and they're only now grasping maybe its the players that are the issue for 12 months they went on and now it's worse than it ever was under Ten Hag.
 
They showed a bit of a comparison of their league records.

Since Amorim has come in we’ve scored more goals per game with a worse Xg for per game and conceded more with a better Xg against.
So as I suggested our attacking play hasn't improved the finishing has. But in no way do we look better going forwards.
 
So as I suggested our attacking play hasn't improved the finishing has. But in no way do we look better going forwards.

I think in a lot of games we have looked more in control but we still lack a cutting edge which could also be an issue under Ten Hag.

What has really killed us defensively is the individual errors are still there and the set piece situation.

I’m not sure the set pieces can be fixed with these players. They just don’t have the skills to do it.
 
It’s been another bad December.

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