Premier League 2024/25: Spurs vs Man United - Sun 16th Feb - 16:30 KO

Calm down. We are not defending it. We should have come away with at least a point. We are not clinical enough, we need to be ruthless.
 
Some decent chances today but the appalling finishing is still there from ETH days,
Here we go incoming “stats” xG or even Ali G to prove me wrong
 
If the style doesn't suit the players and you need new players to suit the system, why persist with said style of play that doesn't suit the personnel that you have if you're ideally looking at moving them on? It's almost as daft as appointing a bloke knowing full well that he needed 15+ players when you don't have the ability to bring in a whole new squad because you don't have the financial capabilities to do so.

The club is so broken, Amorim himself is a part, albeit a small part, of this problem. The biggest being the Glazers and their sock puppet Ratcliffe.
 
IDFD said:
Let's get 4 attacking minded positions going and remember we aren't a Portuguese side or a relegation fighting team.
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Agree with 4 attacking minded midfielders. Amorin takes youngsters who are hungry and then leaves them on the bench. Played Casermero and Bruno together (when has that worked) and makes his one substitution at 90 minutes. I am not normally a manager Knocker it's just I cant see the reason why the owners rate him so highly.
 
RaimondVanDeGouw said:
If the style doesn't suit the players and you need new players to suit the system, why persist with said style of play that doesn't suit the personnel that you have if you're ideally looking at moving them on? It's almost as daft as appointing a bloke knowing full well that he needed 15+ players when you don't have the ability to bring in a whole new squad because you don't have the financial capabilities to do so.

The club is so broken, Amorim himself is a part, albeit a small part, of this problem. The biggest being the Glazers and their sock puppet Ratcliffe.
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Totally agree personally feel that ratcliff and. Glazers have and still are the main problem
 
Why give Obi a couple of minutes? if you are going to give him a chance make it worth his while.
 
Its a good job theres 3 clubs worse than United or we`d be heading for a relegation battle, makes you wonder when the calls for Amorims head will really kick in.
 
IDFD said:
Is he gonna drop this shit formation if we give him more money? If not he doesn't work.

Not sure why you lot want to be blinkered and can't comprehend that the system doesn't work.
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Change the system to what? The one these players failed time and time again under ETH? Can’t believe some stuff I read on here sometimes.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
The same could have been said when Ten Hag was the manager…
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That had foundation, and you know it.

This abuse of Amorim and his style of play is just daft.

The problem I have is , it just shows no understanding of what's going on.

Then you all go on this merry go round telling certain people the same thing every week. It's bemusing and irritating.

Your points are never well received or listened to by said people yet you still have the same argument. That would drive me mental.
 
Jayc1860 said:
That had foundation, and you know it.

This abuse of Amorim and his style of play is just daft.

The problem I have is , it just shows no understanding of what's going on.

Then you all go on this merry go round telling certain people the same thing every week. It's bemusing and irritating.
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If we had won today, sure it would have been ‘oh but it’s only Spurs we beat’.

There were positives today but got to harp on about the negatives. If Garnacho had his finishing boots on then it could have been very different. This was no doubt one of our better performances.
 
Whatever system they play that group of players aren’t anywhere near good enough. It needs a massive injection of quality in the summer but sounds like there’s no money to do it.

I only saw first half and a couple of second half chances but there was enough chances in that game to get a goal.

Didn’t look like there was much between the two sides from the bits I saw.
 
SuperRash said:
If we had won today, sure it would have been ‘oh but it’s only Spurs we beat’.

There were positives today but got to harp on about the negatives. If Garnacho had his finishing boots on then it could have been very different. This was no doubt one of our better performances.
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Yeah, I'm trying to be as positive and hopeful as I can be right now, the team has the rest of this season to fine tune bits and bobs and I'm turning up to games just looking for some steps forward. We are a hard watch, but it's to be expected.
 
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Spurs are having a bad season but still had a lot more control of the midfield whereas we rely more on counter attacks.
Our midfield is a massive issue we get beaten to the ball so many times its really not rocket science, the heart of the team isnt beating well.
 
IDFD said:
System quite simply doesn't work in this league but apparently we all have to be blinkered.
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I think I gave an example of Glasner coming in at Palace last year and this system worked quite serenely. No doubt you ignored that post because it was making a good point against your criticism of the system.

So even though that is one example, it refuted your claim that the ‘system quote simply doesn’t work in this league’.
 
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SuperRash said:
I think I gave an example of Glasner coming in at Palace last year and this system worked quite serenely. No doubt you ignored that post because it was making a good point against your criticism of the system.

So even though that is one example, it refuted your claim that the ‘system quote simply doesn’t work in this league’.
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I watched Notts Forest play 3 at the back last week and that worked well, I dont know if they play that way all the time but it proves it can work in the PL IF you have the right players with the right attitude.
 
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JammyRed said:
I watched Notts Forest play 3 at the back last week and that worked well, I dont know if they play that way all the time but it proves it can work in the PL IF you have the right players with the right attitude.
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Looks like a recent tweak to their system but one of the games it was played Forest mullered Brighton 7-0. But yep will never work over here.

We don’t yet have the right players in all positions to make the system work. We didn’t have the right players to make 4-3-2-1 work either. We’ve picked the wrong players for so long but that has to end now. We have already started picking up promising young players but we’ve also got to box smart in the transfer market to get the more experienced players in as well.
 
I'm not defending Amorim, he needs to do better.

But that doesn't equate to ETH was good, he wasn't

The problem we have here is completely down to the ownership

No doubt Amorim is an excellent coach. But if you can't back him, what's the point of appointing him.

They should have brought in someone who could get something out of this squad. They would never get anywhere near the title though

I assume their thinking was this squad needs a 100% overhaul. But without money

The club is f'd.

The new owners have come in giving it the billy big balls but have proven as inept as the other owners

I really think time of Man Utd being a top club is over forever.

And we just need to mentally adjust to that
 
Mr C said:
I really think time of Man Utd being a top club is over forever.

And we just need to mentally adjust to that
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I'm not quite that apocalyptic. The problem has always been the Glazers. Get rid of the parasites and start investing for the long term then I think you could turn it around. But while Arsenal, City and Spurs were building state of the art stadiums, the Glazers were creaming off profit. If you are badly run on and off the pitch you end up relegated. That might be what it takes to get rid of them.
 
I'm laying a large portion of our dire situation on those despicable yanks they boil my piss, I detest them they have ruined the club.
 
Mr C said:
I'm not defending Amorim, he needs to do better.

But that doesn't equate to ETH was good, he wasn't

The problem we have here is completely down to the ownership

No doubt Amorim is an excellent coach. But if you can't back him, what's the point of appointing him.

They should have brought in someone who could get something out of this squad. They would never get anywhere near the title though

I assume their thinking was this squad needs a 100% overhaul. But without money

The club is f'd.

The new owners have come in giving it the billy big balls but have proven as inept as the other owners

I really think time of Man Utd being a top club is over forever.

And we just need to mentally adjust to that
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Amorim can't do better, and wont be able to for some time, even sending these players out on loan still has a cost, what we really need is permanent deals to bring costs down.
In the mean time he will have to rely on the academy more than ever, I'm convinced that is the route to a team that will play to his style, he needs players to believe in him, we are at least 2-3 yrs away from that.
I'm also not convinced that INEOS knew the full complexity of the challenge they have taken on, it's taken them a full year to realise the club is bloated staff wise, jobs for mates and relatives have been handed out to all comers.
Things go in circles, prior to Ferguson United were in the wilderness, be prepared for another period like that, I just hope it's not 26 odd years before we win the EPL again.
 
SuperRash said:
I think I gave an example of Glasner coming in at Palace last year and this system worked quite serenely. No doubt you ignored that post because it was making a good point against your criticism of the system.

So even though that is one example, it refuted your claim that the ‘system quote simply doesn’t work in this league’.
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I ignored it because it wasn't a sign of success.

Yes they did well to avoid relegation.

Are you claiming that is successful for us?
 
IDFD said:
I ignored it because it wasn't a sign of success.

Yes they did well to avoid relegation.

Are you claiming that is successful for us?
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You said the system wouldn’t work in this country, I gave an example of it working. Simple as.

Palace were one of the form teams under Glasner and gave us under ETH a real pasting. They were doing more than just merely avoiding relegation.
 
SuperRash said:
You said the system wouldn’t work in this country, I gave an example of it working. Simple as.

Palace were one of the form teams under Glasner and gave us under ETH a real pasting. They were doing more than just merely avoiding relegation.
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I said the system doesn't work. It has worked once and the guy got sacked 9 games in to the following season.

However Palace did beat us now everyone does
 
IDFD said:
I said the system doesn't work. It has worked once and the guy got sacked 9 games in to the following season.

However Palace did beat us now everyone does
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Okay well it’s hard to have a conversation with someone with an agenda, so will leave it there.
 
SuperRash said:
Okay well it’s hard to have a conversation with someone with an agenda, so will leave it there.
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I dont have an agenda other than wanting the best for the club. It's unfortunate we got rid of the best manager we could get to replace him with someone who clearly isn't Premier league level.

Having a conversation is only difficult when you can't see the other side. It isn't my fault people hounded out ETH. Should I like Amorim regardless of how shit we are?
 
IDFD said:
It's unfortunate we got rid of the best manager
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Pmsl

It's this kind of nonsense that makes whatever else you say hold no gravitas.

How can you try and make a point when your base is the person who took us to our worst prem finish, and worst, bar 1 point start. With no win in Europe and something like 3 home goals.

If you want to make a point against Amorim I would advise against using ETH as some kind of bench mark.

Because as soon as you mention him, I'm like nah, this is nonsense
 
Mr C said:
Pmsl

It's this kind of nonsense that makes whatever else you say hold no gravitas.

How can you try and make a point when your base is the person who took us to our worst prem finish, and worst, bar 1 point start. With no win in Europe and something like 3 home goals.

If you want to make a point against Amorim I would advise against using ETH as some kind of bench mark.

Because as soon as you mention him, I'm like nah, this is nonsense
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Who said i wasn't talking about Ole?

However it could literally be anyone. Amorim has been awful. You are allowed to say it.

Note i didn't mention ETH i mentioned fans hounding out managers.

I have never once mentioned ETH in this thread. And would appreciate an apology.
 

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