Premier League 2023/24: Man United vs Brighton - Sat 16th Sept - 15:00 KO

[SuperRash]

If our defence and midfield just allows players to mosy on by then our keeper is going to be conceding goals whoever it is!

Not absolving Onana of all the blame whatsoever but our defence and midfield have a whole lot more to answer for!

 

[Mr C]

I haven't seen it yet, buts it's unlikely we are conceding this many goals and none of them onana should save. Every week fans absolve him, cos he passes nice. Keepers need to be keeping.
He's been a bad signing.
ETH is on sticky ground, especially if new owners come in. His signings have been poor.

 

[Mr C]

7 games to not be able to moan about him, how will some fans cope?

Sarcasm. Thought i'd post it before somebody else did.

You can see the massive chasms in our midfield and defence that allow the opposition to waltz through? Law of averages says, if the opposition have 7-8 attempts on target then at least 2-3 chances will result in goals.

Were you so generous with De gea? We let in fewer with him

 

[IDFD]

If our defence and midfield just allows players to mosy on by then our keeper is going to be conceding goals whoever it is!

Not absolving Onana of all the blame whatsoever but our defence and midfield have a whole lot more to answer for!

Right. But one of the faults with De Gea is he didn't command our defence and Onana was going to come in and sort that.

Do you genueinly think we look better at the back with Onana in goal. It's a waste of £50m. Bring the other guy in because it's shcoking. There is nothing at the back to defend at the moment and last season you were telling me it's on the keeper to organise that defense.

Is it not Onana's job to manage the defence in front of him? Why are the same players suddenly so much worse?

 

[RVN]

Were you so generous with De gea? We let in fewer with him

De Gea was conceding goals from what were routine saves. I was generous where it was appropriate.

 

[IDFD]

Sarcasm. Thought i'd post it before somebody else did.

You can see the massive chasms in our midfield and defence that allow the opposition to waltz through? Law of averages says, if the opposition have 7-8 attempts on target then at least 2-3 chances will result in goals.

2 or 3 from 7 would be around a 40% conversion rate.

He conceded 75% of the first 12 shots he faced. The highest concession rate of any keeper in PL history through 5 games.

 

[SuperRash]

Right. But one of the faults with De Gea is he didn't command our defence and Onana was going to come in and sort that.

Do you genueinly think we look better at the back with Onana in goal. It's a waste of £50m. Bring the other guy in because it's shcoking. There is nothing at the back to defend at the moment and last season you were telling me it's on the keeper to organise that defense.

Is it not Onana's job to manage the defence in front of him? Why are the same players suddenly so much worse?

I feel like the common denominator between the two situations is our defence, so I am wary to put all the blame on whoever is in our goal. A keeper can organise a defence but he cannot stop them making stupid and careless errors.

 

[IDFD]

I feel like the common denominator between the two situations is our defence, so I am wary to put all the blame on whoever is in our goal. A keeper can organise a defence but he cannot stop them making stupid and careless errors.

In which case we need a top quality shot stopper. Which Onana isn't.

 

[SuperRash]

In which case we need a top quality shot stopper. Which Onana isn't.

The solution to a crap defence is to change the keeper?

Maybe changing the defence will stop so many goals going in. I know we have some injuries but it’s not all on Onana.

 

[IDFD]

The solution to a crap defence is to change the keeper?

Maybe changing the defence will stop so many goals going in. I know we have some injuries but it’s not all on Onana.

He's also not faultless like people want to pretend. He's been one of the worst players this season.

 

[jsp]

I’ve seen the 3 goals the only one he had a chance on was the third which he got a hand to.

All 3 shots are inside our box under absolutely no pressure it is not acceptable for that to happen once in a game let along three times. The defending especially from the midfielders not picking up runners was embarrassing.

I don’t think people are saying he’s been any better than a 6/10 so far but there’s no much else going wrong that needs sorting out.

 

[IDFD]

I’ve seen the 3 goals the only one he had a chance on was the third which he got a hand to.

All 3 shots are inside our box under absolutely no pressure it is not acceptable for that to happen once in a game let along three times. The defending especially from the midfielders not picking up runners was embarrassing.

I don’t think people are saying he’s been any better than a 6/10 so far but there’s no much else going wrong that needs sorting out.

He conceded 9 from his first 12 shots on target. How is this acceptable to you? Have you forgot that we are Manchester United and should be striving for the best? He's been at most a 4/10. But then i'm talking to people that think he was okay for Forest first and don't blame him for Arsenals second. It's laughable. Arsenal have a better back up keeper than we have #1 and it cost them half the price.

 

[RVN]

He conceded 9 from his first 12 shots on target. How is this acceptable to you? Have you forgot that we are Manchester United and should be striving for the best? He's been at most a 4/10. But then i'm talking to people that think he was okay for Forest first and don't blame him for Arsenals second. It's laughable. Arsenal have a better back up keeper than we have #1 and it cost them half the price.

Shouldn't we really be addressing the issue of why we concede so many shots in the first place?

 

[Justin Cider]

Rashford is a greedy bastard, Casemiro and Martinez are just going though the motions, the Manager has been found out as technically naïve, but yeah let's blame Onana.

I'm sorry you're having a tough time @IDFD, but you are talking out of your backside.

 

[IDFD]

Shouldn't we really be addressing the issue of why we concede so many shots in the first place?

So many shots?

12 shots on target in 5 games is literally nothing. Arsenal had 17 against us in one game. We conceded once. With a masterclass goalkeeping performance.

I seem to remember De Gea was the issue for not marshalling his defence and that's why they were poor. Now suddenly it's not the keepers fault?

He's a bottom half keeper at best, similar to Barthez he can play a pass but goalkeeping comes first and he simply isn't a good enough goalkeeper and his work on the ball doesn't compensate for that regardless of the excuses made for him.

Though United fans will go head in the sand over him because they couldn't back De Gea so have to support his replacement regardless of how awful he's been. Do you genuinely think he's been better for us this season than De Gea last? (Not even Peak De Gea which is a keeper we should be striving for)

 

[IDFD]

Rashford is a greedy bastard, Casemiro and Martinez are just going though the motions, the Manager has been found out as technically naïve, but yeah let's blame Onana.

I'm sorry you're having a tough time @IDFD, but you are talking out of your backside.

I am having a tough time i'm more than happy to be open and honest about that.

I just fail to see how people can look at Onana and think he's a top keeper, however it's a point I raised pre-signing him he's an awful shot stopper. I'm glad someone has raised the issue about the tactically inept manager though. He's looking poor on and off the pitch.

 

[jsp]

He conceded 9 from his first 12 shots on target. How is this acceptable to you? Have you forgot that we are Manchester United and should be striving for the best? He's been at most a 4/10. But then i'm talking to people that think he was okay for Forest first and don't blame him for Arsenals second. It's laughable. Arsenal have a better back up keeper than we have #1 and it cost them half the price.

has anyone checked these numbers that are being thrown around?

Brighton had 8 shots on target yesterday therefore by definition he’s made 5 saves so I’m not sure where these stats are coming from. He has made 20 saves this season and conceded 10 goals.

Yesterday he made saves from Mitoma and Fati that are good saves, the Fati one especially.

Every goal we’ve conceded this season has been in our penalty box where the attacking player has a free shot at goal. 2 that have beaten him have taken deflections Rice and the OG.

Wolves had 6 on target, Spurs 6 on target, Forest 4 on target, Arsenal 5 on target and Brighton 8 on target. I don’t think the OG in the spurs game gets counted as a shot on target so there’s your 30 shots at goal faced in 5 games.

No one is saying these numbers are good and no one is saying Onana has been great but if as a team are letting the opposition have this many chances things are going very very wrong.

The defending as a team has been a shambles this season constantly focusing on the keeper is letting all those outfield players off the hook in my opinion.

 

[RVN]

@IDFD you seem to want to blame Onana for all the goals we are conceding. With that logic you should be lambasting Rashford for all the goals we are not scoring. It is a team game, and whether you wish to admit it or not, our midfield and defence are just as culpable as Onana. You are also misreading our statements, we are not saying Onana is world class on current performance, however circumstances at present make it difficult to make any sound judgement, and the witchunt is unnecessary.