Premier League 2023/24: Man United vs Arsenal - Sun 12th May - 16:30 KO

[SuperRash]

I can't believe that I'm taking positives out of a 1 - 0 home defeat but I thought amrabat and mctominay made us at least appear harder to break down. I'm just gutted that our so called better players such as garnacho failed to deliver today, as the outcome could just maybe have been a bit different. Am I clutching at broken straws!!!!?

That’s all we’ve got at the moment. Trying to take shreds of a positive out of a performance.

If we had our full team out there there we would be a hell of a lot better but sadly injuries have decimated our squad - and our squad isn’t good enough to cope with 6 or 7 regular starters being out.

 

[RH78]

Totally agree, but when you're without regular starters and the ones who are playing don't perform to their best then the worries start.

 

[O-Dog]

Hojlund was poor in a half decent team performance

He got no service. Every time we got the ball wide, no one put a ball of any quality into the box.

 

[jsp]

Didn’t bother watching to nice a day outside not to spend it with the little un.

Sounds like we played ok just saw some brief highlights, gifted them the goal really with some sloppy defending.

Big chance for Hojlund at 0-0 shame he lost his footing.

Caught the last few minutes and injury time Garnacho looked knackered, that lad needs a rest before the cup final.

 

[Sideshow Bob]

I’ve not been caught in rain like that for a long time, it was biblical. Places in Salford are like an Olympic pool.

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[Justin Cider]

Great prediction again, keep it up.

Just can't help yourself can you Zzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Justin Cider]

It’s hard when we don’t have Fernandes in there as well, he’s the one that can pick a pass to the front line.

I really like Garnacho but like Neville was saying in commentary you’re never really sure what he’s going to do!

Gary Neville is a fecking idiot, it's been obvious to anybody with a brain Garnacho(and Mainoo) needed resting 10/12 games ago.

 

[Justin Cider]

Onana - 7½

AWB - 6
Casemiro - 5¾
Evans - 6¾
Dallot - 7½

Amrabat - 7½*
Mainoo - 7

Amad - 7
McTomnay - 6½
Garnacho - 6¾

Hojlund - 6

EtH - considering the squad he had to play with, and the level of the opponents - 7

 

[Justin Cider]

Mad to watch a team at Old Trafford who may yet win the Premier League this season, but there was not one playeer in the Arsenal side you'd look at and think I wish he played for United, not a one.

 

[Jayc1860]

Mad to watch a team at Old Trafford who may yet win the Premier League this season, but there was not one playeer in the Arsenal side you'd look at and think I wish he played for United, not a one.

I seriously hope you are basing that on their performance at OT yesterday. If you are, then I'd mostly agree actually. They were poor on the whole, however Saliba had a great game, and made a lot of important tackles. He was my MOTM.

I think it mainly came down to being a long season and the added pressure of keeping up with City. They did manage to grind out a result though, so you have to give them credit.

 

[Mr C]

If you don't think Rice walks into this united then something is up.

I'd take odegard over Bruno, Saka over Antony/Diallo, both centrebacks, I'd take their benched keeper

 

[RichH2016]

Casemiro kept Havertz on there, so he's going to get the shit for everything again. Yet isn't a CB.

You can’t defend Casemiro for that goal. He may not be a CB but the basics of defending (regardless of what your actual position is) is to stay in a line and get out. He’s walking and then jogging. There’s no real effort to get out.

 

[RichH2016]

Gary Neville is a fecking idiot, it's been obvious to anybody with a brain Garnacho(and Mainoo) needed resting 10/12 games ago.

To be fair I don’t think you know what many of them are going to do? In an attacking sense. There seems to be no pattern to their attack. No system of how they want to build and create chances. But yes Mainoo and Garnacho did had to be rested a month or so ago.

 

[SuperRash]

Mad to watch a team at Old Trafford who may yet win the Premier League this season, but there was not one playeer in the Arsenal side you'd look at and think I wish he played for United, not a one.

Apart from Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard and Rice who would be absolute shoe-ins in this team.

 

[RichH2016]

Apart from Saliba, Gabriel, Odegaard and Rice who would be absolute shoe-ins in this team.

Saka, White, probably Partey (not that he’s great but he’s better than most of the United options in midfield). There’s an argument I’d say for Raya but I’m sure a lot would argue with that.

In fact… the only players in the United team who would make the Arsenal XI are Mainoo and Garnacho.

 

[JammyRed]

Just can't help yourself can you Zzzzzzzzzzzz

What's the problem ? Iv shown you how stupid your predictions are.
You are a bookies dream I bet they fleece you every week.

 

[JammyRed]

Mad to watch a team at Old Trafford who may yet win the Premier League this season, but there was not one playeer in the Arsenal side you'd look at and think I wish he played for United, not a one.

Arsenal didn't have to get out of second gear they basically had a day off and still won, take the rose tints off and wake up.

 

[RichH2016]

but there was not one playeer in the Arsenal side you'd look at and think I wish he played for United, not a one.

There’s not one no… There’s 7/8 bud. I love how devoted to United you are even now with how bad they are. But the gulf in class is very real.

 

[Mr C]

Sad thing is, that was one of our better performaces as a team, I could see some sort of patterns.

 

[Jayc1860]

You can’t defend Casemiro for that goal. He may not be a CB but the basics of defending (regardless of what your actual position is) is to stay in a line and get out. He’s walking and then jogging. There’s no real effort to get out.

I can point out how stupid it was to play him there in the first place, and that was more my point, although I do think it's harsh to blame the guy for trying his best whilst playing OOP. Yes it's horrific defending, but I genuinely think it's just something he doesn't understand. I don't think many defensive mids have ever been the brains of the operation have they?

 

[Mr C]

This team, manager and players, are way off being being competive for any major trophy, I'm saying for 5 years.

They need to start the painful rebuild this summer. But how to do you sell this project to players, who is gong to come knowing they aren't going to win anything for years.

No way we compete for top 4 next season.

 

[RichH2016]

I can point out how stupid it was to play him there in the first place, and that was more my point, although I do think it's harsh to blame the guy for trying his best whilst playing OOP. Yes it's horrific defending, but I genuinely think it's just something he doesn't understand. I don't think many defensive mids have ever been the brains of the operation have they?

If he can’t see that in that situation he needs to get out alongside his team mates then there are two scenarios… Either he’s really incompetent and has no football brain at all (which we all know from his career is not the case) or he doesn’t care anymore. And to be honest I think it is the latter. That’s the only 2 possibilities though. He’s a professional football player paid a lot of money who’s played as a DM his whole career.

 

[Jayc1860]

If he can’t see that in that situation he needs to get out alongside his team mates then there are two scenarios… Either he’s really incompetent and has no football brain at all (which we all know from his career is not the case) or he doesn’t care anymore. And to be honest I think it is the latter. That’s the only 2 possibilities though. He’s a professional football player paid a lot of money who’s played as a DM his whole career.

No.

There is a third scenario that I've already told you. He simply doesn't understand the CB position at all, as he's barely ever played there. I'm just looking at possibilities why it's gone so horribly wrong for him there, as it might not be as simple as 'he's lazy', you know? Casemiro doesn't come across to me as the type to simply just give up, and I think his performance yesterday other than the incident proves as much.

It looks to me like he's just not understood his role in the line or has been too slow to.

 

[jsp]

This team, manager and players, are way off being being competive for any major trophy, I'm saying for 5 years.

They need to start the painful rebuild this summer. But how to do you sell this project to players, who is gong to come knowing they aren't going to win anything for years.

No way we compete for top 4 next season.

Same way every club sells it to players you offer them bigger wages than their current club. Money talks in football especially in wages.

It's not rocket science but you just have to make sure you are offering the money to the right people which is where numerous rebuilding projects has gone wrong over the last 10 years. Problem now is the more times you get it wrong the harder it is to correct because of all the spending rules.

It can all change very quickly in football this time two years ago no one was tipping Arsenal to be a title contender for the next 2 seasons.

Utd could find themselves in a top 4 position next season if they have a good summer and by that I mean they need 3 or 4 players who slot straight into the squad and fix problems. When everyone is fit the current squad is good enough to compete for top 4.

 

[Mr C]

no chance these players get top 4.

Even if we brought in 4 players, it's not enough

 

[Mr C]

I think a few English teams are in for him both north london clubs for a start.

Then I think a couple of Italian clubs and Atletico.

But my memory is gettting worse the older I get

 

[jsp]

no chance these players get top 4.

Even if we brought in 4 players, it's not enough

They did it last season.

Impossible to prove but I think had we had the first choice back 4 fit for most of the season I reckon we'd be close to Villa.

As for next season hard to see Villa and Liverpool being as strong but I think Newcastle and Chelsea will be stronger not sure on Spurs and hopefully we'll sort a few things out.

To me the current top 2 are nailed on they'll be going for the title again next season after that there's now 6 teams competing for the other 2 spots.

Momentum is huge in football get off to a good start and Utd could easily end up 3rd again get off to a bad one and it could be 8th.

 

[Justin Cider]

I seriously hope you are basing that on their performance at OT yesterday. If you are, then I'd mostly agree actually. They were poor on the whole, however Saliba had a great game, and made a lot of important tackles. He was my MOTM.

I think it mainly came down to being a long season and the added pressure of keeping up with City. They did manage to grind out a result though, so you have to give them credit.

Entirely on yesterday. Saliba, Odegaard, Rice and Saka walk into United's team. White as well probably.

They were there for the taking yesterday(because of that pressure), and with a fuller squad we'd have beaten them.

 

[SuperRash]

Saka, White, probably Partey (not that he’s great but he’s better than most of the United options in midfield). There’s an argument I’d say for Raya but I’m sure a lot would argue with that.

In fact… the only players in the United team who would make the Arsenal XI are Mainoo and Garnacho.

I definitely wouldn’t take White over Dalot.

Partly would be absolute car crash in this United midfield! We would be on his back very early! I don’t watch Arsenal much but he’s always looked like he’s got a glaring mistake in his game - like the Bailly of midfield.

 

[Mr C]

They did it last season.

Impossible to prove but I think had we had the first choice back 4 fit for most of the season I reckon we'd be close to Villa.

As for next season hard to see Villa and Liverpool being as strong but I think Newcastle and Chelsea will be stronger not sure on Spurs and hopefully we'll sort a few things out.

To me the current top 2 are nailed on they'll be going for the title again next season after that there's now 6 teams competing for the other 2 spots.

Momentum is huge in football get off to a good start and Utd could easily end up 3rd again get off to a bad one and it could be 8th.

Assuming most of this lot are still here, you think these players, under this manager, are going to challenge for top 4?

I just can't see it. His system, with these players, is not working

 

[Justin Cider]

What's the problem ? Iv shown you how stupid your predictions are.
You are a bookies dream I bet they fleece you every week.

Maybe at your next counselling session you can explain why that is so important to you, the reply will have you in tears.

Never given a bookie a penny in my life, not a penny. Mugs game.

 

[SuperRash]

no chance these players get top 4.

Even if we brought in 4 players, it's not enough

I think if we brought in 4 players of the right quality then we can be challenging for top four and honours for sure. It just highly depends on the recruitment which has been shocking the last few years. But hopefully under a new structure we can finally get it right.

I think a centre back, two central midfielders and another striker and we are well on our way.

 

[JammyRed]

Maybe at your next counselling session you can explain why that is so important to you, the reply will have you in tears.

Never given a bookie a penny in my life, not a penny. Mugs game.

You are the one needing help you are totally deluded, just putting your daft comments into context is enough for me.
The three nil win for Utd was your best yet..

 

[Justin Cider]

You can’t defend Casemiro for that goal. He may not be a CB but the basics of defending (regardless of what your actual position is) is to stay in a line and get out. He’s walking and then jogging. There’s no real effort to get out.

He's been in England long enough now to have worked it out, but when he played for Real Madrid and Brazil and he found himself in those areas(as a midfielder)he wouldn't be worrying about holding the line to try and play the attackers off-side, it's mainly an English thing, and it's boring, play football ffs

 

[SuperRash]

For all Casemiro’s experience, he doesn’t half do some daft things.