Against the better teams in the league and in Europe I can absolutely understand that. But against a team who are likely to face a scrap to stay in the PL this year? I think Ole has got to be more aggressive and actually for for the win. The fact he didn't even really change things later in the game and left VDB on the bench is just a sign to me that he's not going to take enough risks.Just feels clear to me that Ole has decided that VDB and Pogba are not disciplined enough to play in his midfield so he's never going to put them there which means it's always going to be 2 from 3 and with McTominay carrying and injury he would always turn to Matic.
why are we playing 2DM is the question I want answering.
Against the better teams in the league and in Europe I can absolutely understand that. But against a team who are likely to face a scrap to stay in the PL this year? I think Ole has got to be more aggressive and actually for for the win. The fact he didn't even really change things later in the game and left VDB on the bench is just a sign to me that he's not going to take enough risks.
change the formation, why are we so resticted to one style
And I think part of the concern here is that this has been a theme under Ole. They drop points to teams they should handle.yeah, it's a real downer after the opening day. We aren't winning anything this year while we have those performances freely available.
And as much as I don't want to knock him. Ole should be doing more to stop it.
Not me, guv.To put it simply how many of you would take a midfield of Fred and Matic over Romeu and Ward-Prowse?
This is a team that most think will really struggle this season yet they've got two centre mids that I think would probably start every week at Utd.
Nah that’s pushing it. Romeu is pretty limited like Matic and Fred can have a shocker but still think he’s overall better than JWP - even with his set play prowess.To put it simply how many of you would take a midfield of Fred and Matic over Romeu and Ward-Prowse?
This is a team that most think will really struggle this season yet they've got two centre mids that I think would probably start every week at Utd.
Nah that’s pushing it. Romeu is pretty limited like Matic and Fred can have a shocker but still think he’s overall better than JWP - even with his set play prowess.
I have just finished watching the full match vs. Southampton. Fred is better than Romeu, and all WP seems good at is freekicks. That said, Fred & Matic together were not great. I think I'd try WP and Matic, of those options.To put it simply how many of you would take a midfield of Fred and Matic over Romeu and Ward-Prowse?
This is a team that most think will really struggle this season yet they've got two centre mids that I think would probably start every week at Utd.
I have just finished watching the full match vs. Southampton. Fred is better than Romeu, and all WP seems good at is freekicks. That said, Fred & Matic together were not great. I think I'd try WP and Matic, of those options.
Anyway, the announcers said Lingard got 9 goals and an assist in 16 appearances for West Ham. How the hell is getting that kind of return in an allegedly inferior team? Anybody watch any of those? They also said we have only won 2 of our last 5 (now 6) visits to Southampton.
This referee was shit. I liked how in the in 91st minute Pogba had enough of Bruno getting fouled and immediately scythed down a Southampton player and got a yellow. Pogba sticking up for his teammates.
We were very unlucky. We had several shots cleared off the line and hit the post once. Even with a Fredmatic midfield we should have won. We kinda took our foot off the gas shortly after Sancho came on, ironically. Southampton's best spell was the final 10 minutes.
I'm afraid Ole makes a habit of out playing guys out of position. I think he thinks he's more tactical aware than he is... sad to say it, but I just don't see Ole winning trophies - and particularly not the PL or CLI'm a huge Ole fan, he's doing a great job for the club.
But if he doesn't stop results like yesterday happening then he should and will get questioned. We should be winning that game easily. If you want to win the league you cannot be dropping these points again.
His team selection was poor. I see has to play Fred until the board address that position. But if you're not picking the two players you bought, play the same team that beat Leeds. Or change it positively. We should not be dropping a Matic/Fred midfield against Southampton. We must be more positive.
Martial should not have started that game either.
I didn't see it, but it sounded like Sancho came on played left again, when he should be playing right. I could be wrong there though. It was radio chat.
I'm afraid Ole makes a habit of out playing guys out of position. I think he thinks he's more tactical aware than he is... sad to say it, but I just don't see Ole winning trophies - and particularly not the PL or CL
you have to question bringing in Martial and pushing Greenwood wide after the leeds game.
He looked great when Bruno first arrived, it looked they really clicked, then nada
I think Martial has moments when he's world class, but those moments are eclipsed by anonymous displays. I looked up his stats to try and separate objective fact from gut feelings.From memory it was that whole season him and Rashford seemed to be pushing each other along and both looked to be stepping up to that next level and fulfilling that potential we all knew they had.
Then last season he had a few injuries and just never looked like the player we had the year before his confidence in front of goal had gone. He was an ice cool finisher in his first few seasons especially one vs one then last season he started missing.
I'm just done with him you'll never be able to rely on him and the quicker we move on from him the better but he's on great money so same old story that he'll be a difficult one to shift out.
I think Martial has moments when he's world class, but those moments are eclipsed by anonymous displays. I looked up his stats to try and separate objective fact from gut feelings.
So, he's 25, still young. He's played 169 times in the league for us and scored 78 goals. I think double digits is expected from him but not much more. 12 or so goals. Is that enough to justify his place in the team? If he was also a creator that would be a good return, but I don't think he creates all that much for others.
His yearly league totals are: 17, 8, 11, 12, 23, 7, and currently on 0.
Goofy comparison, Ronaldo's totals were 6, 9, 12, 23, 42, 26.
I think he's an archetypal Arsenal player, and doesn't really fit the United plan.I think he’s got all the physical and technical tools to play number 9 but just don’t think he understands the position.
He doesn’t work hard enough either pressing the ball out of possession or making runs in possession to exploit space to create chances.
He waits for the ball to much and only seems to want it into feet.
I think he's an archetypal Arsenal player, and doesn't really fit the United plan.
Rashford often plays on the wrong side, Greenwoood plays wide when even Ole acknowledges that he's our most natural goal scorer, Lindelof has been played on the "wrong" side of CB pairing. Sancho played on the wrong wing at Southampton. And that's a list without me even bothering to think very hardOut of interest who do you think he's regularly playing out of position?
I think the second part of it is fair it is hard to see Ole landing the big prizes at the moment but that doesn't mean he hasn't done a great job in steadying the ship and rebuilding the squad in his tenure but now he needs to show that he isn't a weak point in the chain by improving on last seasons results.
Rashford often plays on the wrong side, Greenwoood plays wide when even Ole acknowledges that he's our most natural goal scorer, Lindelof has been played on the "wrong" side of CB pairing. Sancho played on the wrong wing at Southampton. And that's a list without me even bothering to think very hard
I never said it was all wrong in one game... you asked for instances when Ole had played people out of position. I gave you that (and Lindelof has played on the left of the pairing, although not when Maguire is playing)None of that is relevant to the Southampton game though yeah last season someone always got dumped on the right because we didn't have anyone to play there apart from Greenwood who was in and out of the side because of injuries and form through the season.
Lindelof plays on the right side of the CB's which is his position if anyone plays wrong side it's Maguire but Maguire has shown he's comfortable on the left side of that pair.
Sancho plays both sides and did so regularly for Dortmund so again not revelant.
Greenwood has two positions he's played most of his career from the right side so again that's not relevant.
I think it's fair to criticise Ole for putting Martial into the team on Sunday he let Ole down with his performance but everyone started that game in a position they are more than comfortable playing.
I never said it was all wrong in one game... you asked for instances when Ole had played people out of position. I gave you that (and Lindelof has played on the left of the pairing, although not when Maguire is playing)
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