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Something odd with this, no way he turns down united
Maybe their restrictions are too much
 
There’s all sorts of ways to spin that story.

He rejected us
We rejected him
We knew he wanted a break and were sounding him out for coming in next season if we sack Ten Hag during the season.
 
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jsp said:
There’s all sorts of ways to spin that story.

He rejected us
We rejected him
We knew he wanted a break and were sounding him out for coming in next season if we sack Ten Hag during the season.
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It's known he's dead keen to manage in the prem, he's not getting city or Liverpool, so this is his biggest chance. Something doesn't sound right to me
 
One thing for sure is that this cannot drag on much longer, everyone needs some clarity about what is happening with the management situation. This needs to be done asap.
 
Don't agree, at all.

I say they should take their time, and find a guy that suits their philosophy. If they've decided Tuchel isn't in alignment, then the search continues...

Rash decisions are a thing of the past hopefully.

That's all I'm reading though, people just want a new manager, and they don't seem to care which at this point. Not the way forward.
 
Mr C said:
It's known he's dead keen to manage in the prem, he's not getting city or Liverpool, so this is his biggest chance. Something doesn't sound right to me
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I don’t think you get dinner with Sir Jim unless you are seriously being considered.

Maybe he didn’t pay his share of the bill
 
What I don’t like about this is that it’s been made public if the sources are true, even if you don’t like Ten Hag it undermines him and is disrespectful
 
The whole thing has been handled badly.

I guess nobody is used to the scrutiny/paper coverage at a club like united. Look a bit out their depth at the moment. If they do appoint Souhgate I think that will show they are completely out their depth and have under estimated the club.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Don't agree, at all.

I say they should take their time, and find a guy that suits their philosophy. If they've decided Tuchel isn't in alignment, then the search continues...

Rash decisions are a thing of the past hopefully.

That's all I'm reading though, people just want a new manager, and they don't seem to care which at this point. Not the way forward.
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I totally agree that if they do sack ETH then it has to be the right man to come in but their approach is a little baffling. Surely they know if they want to keep ETH or not? The timing of this review is nonsense, they could have had this review towards the end of the season. Winning the FA Cup shouldn’t change their mindset at all.

Are they looking to replace him but if they don’t find anyone good they’ll just stick with ETH? Reading between the lines that sounds like the approach right now.
 
Think in 2024 every story is going to get out very hard to keep a meeting quiet.

Also, there's no real way of telling what is and isn't true with the rumour mill around Utd. The Tuchel story seems to be well backed by a lot of people but different people are telling a different story. One lot who's likely talked to the Utd side are saying we turned him down and his side is telling people he turned us down.

Other than Tuchel it doesn't seem to have been widely reported that they've spoken to anyone.

There's been rumours about Southgate, Frank, Poch, De Zerbi and Xavi but it just seems like a carousel of names at the moment, who knows who's actually been approached.
 
SuperRash said:
I totally agree that if they do sack ETH then it has to be the right man to come in but their approach is a little baffling. Surely they know if they want to keep ETH or not? The timing of this review is nonsense, they could have had this review towards the end of the season. Winning the FA Cup shouldn’t change their mindset at all.

Are they looking to replace him but if they don’t find anyone good they’ll just stick with ETH? Reading between the lines that sounds like the approach right now.
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Must admit, I'm not enjoying the wait, and am feeling a little bit frustrated, but I'm hoping that it will all be worth it in the end.

I think you can't rush a decision like this. I guess it takes as long as it takes. We don't know what obstacles are currently in their way.

I'm hoping they do expalin in full though, especially about ETH. He doesn't deserve to be treat like this. They need to make that right in the statement. Perhaps ETH is already in the know? Maybe he is bound by something and can't speak out, but already knows he's gone?

I don't know, it's all just guesswork.

For me though - I think meeting managers clearly shows they have no confidence in ETH. So unless he has been informed of this and is happy about it, then the only outcome can be a new manager.
 
jsp said:
Other than Tuchel it doesn't seem to have been widely reported that they've spoken to anyone
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I have read rumours about them talking to Tuchel, De Zerbi, Xavi, Poch and Mckenna.

They need to take their time and do due diligence, but it's getting out of hand with the paper talk, I guess they didn't realise how much news we generate.

I only hope they have kept ETH in the loop. Because if all the info he is getting is the same as we are getting then I imagine it's very unsettling and doesn't give much confidence if he does stay, that he'll be there for long.

For me, if they have done their appraisal and he needs to go then he goes. And we search for manager.

To come to the conclusion he needs to go, we'll interview a load of people and see what's about makes a mockery of their review.

Either he needs replacing or he doesn't. This is what is causing all the confusion
 
Exactly this is getting as worse as Woodward time. At least he did not hesitate to pull the plug no matter how uncouth it was. This is getting ridiculous now. This is also not how a top club has to be managed.
If they want to sack him then sack him without this dithering around. This is worse than Moyes's dithering.
 
Mr C said:
I have read rumours about them talking to Tuchel, De Zerbi, Xavi, Poch and Mckenna.

They need to take their time and do due diligence, but it's getting out of hand with the paper talk, I guess they didn't realise how much news we generate.

I only hope they have kept ETH in the loop. Becasue if all the info he is getting is the same as we are getting the I imagine it's very unsettlimg and didn't give much confidence if he does stay, he'll be there for long.

For me, if they have done their appraisal and he needs to go then he goes. And we search for manager.

To come to the conclusion he needs to go, we'll interview a load of people and see what's about makes a mockery of their review.

Either he needs replacing or he doesn't. This is what is causing all the confusion
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It's all rumours based on very little though none of it to me has ever seemed that concrete other than Tuchel. They might have had a word with their agents to find out what they're up to but it doesn't mean anything concrete and I'm sure those agents are more than happy for that story to leak out or even leak a story out about interest.

Utd is huge in terms of sports news. Win, lose or draw the Utd news is always going to be first or second topic for any news reporting because of the size of the fan base. It's a constant thing and it has been made so much worse by social media as it never stops as everyone is competing for clicks and interactions online.

I think it's a little more complicated than stick or twist. You can only twist if you've got the replacement lined up, say they sack him today and in 2 weeks time we haven't appointed a new manager? That's even worse than sticking with ETH in my opinion.

If they are going to change they have to have the replacement lined up and ready to announce almost straight away.

There's also the other rumour that if they sack him on the 1st July the pay off is reduced by about £2m.

As long as they haven't told ETH he's staying then knife him in the back like they did to LVG then I don't really have an issue with how it's going. Isn't ideal but these people are grown ups and they know they're in a cut throat industry and if he's sacked he walks away with a big pay day so lets be honest he'll be ok.
 
I think the way football is going now is a manager isn't going to control everything and the board want to sign who they want and give the manager 3 options per position of who they've chose and the manager can pick one so the playing style and club always stays the same regardless who the manager is and I many top managers aren't going to go with this.
It stops managers like Mourinho and Van Gaal coming in changing the culture and leaving us with the rubbish again.
 
jsp said:
I think it's a little more complicated than stick or twist. You can only twist if you've got the replacement lined up, say they sack him today and in 2 weeks time we haven't appointed a new manager? That's even worse than sticking with ETH in my opinion.
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I dont see this, if the review says he should go, then he should go. Or the review was a waste of time.

Why wouldn't we have signed a new manager? There are plenty available and probably plenty we could get who are in jobs.
 
Mr C said:
I dont see this, if the review says he should go, then he should go. Or the review was a waste of time.

Why wouldn't we have signed a new manager? There are plenty available and probably plenty we could get who are in jobs.
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A review can recommend you should to make a change you then need to look at how quickly you can make that change.

Sometimes to make the change you need to go through a lot of processes to actually make that change in this case you have to have the replacement lined up and ready to go.

Well there's plenty of obvious reasons why change can't happen straight away.
1) you need to pay off Ten Hag
2) any manager currently employed you'll need to buy him out of his current contract.
3) Just because they're available doesn't make them better.
4) They need to be able to start now. In the case of Southgate realistically he won't be able to start until mid/end of July.
5) They need to be willing to fit within the new management structure in terms of what control they'll have
6) how many of their own coaches/staff will they be allowed to bring in. Some managers come with a big entourage that the club might not want to take on.

So realistically Utd need to find a manager who's out of work. I can't see them going and getting another manager out of a club unless they feel he's the perfect man. If the "perfect" candidate existed they probably would have ditched the review and gone for it already.

To me everything that's being done now needs to be done so that in the future whenever we change the manager it's a plug and play change we aren't ripping up everything to start from scratch again.

That might mean ETH stays for 1 more season while we get everything else setup. Would be a shame and probably means another uncertain season but if we don't set this up right first time around we'll just keep going round in the same circles.
 
This whole situation is a farce let’s be honest. United are the only club still looking back at the season. Every other team by now is looking forward to next season.
 
RichH2016 said:
This whole situation is a farce let’s be honest. United are the only club still looking back at the season. Every other team by now is looking forward to next season.
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Why is it a farce? Because you haven't got the outcome you want? Because rumours are on going?

How do you know we aren't looking forward to next season?

No one outside the club knows what is going on inside the club at the moment and that is surely a good thing. People can speculate about what might happen but you just have to trust that those on the inside are working away solving the problems.

Honestly reading some of the stuff on here you'd think the season starts at the weekend.
 
I agree with jsp.

People calling this a farce just have no patience or aren't a fan of this club. They want us to make the same mistakes we have in the past.

I'm glad we're refusing to do so, and at the same time making the media look like the bunch of amateurs they are.

RichH2016 said:
This whole situation is a farce let’s be honest. United are the only club still looking back at the season. Every other team by now is looking forward to next season.
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Want to add more than just the average pile of shit? No offence.

Just looks like you're here to have a dig, and with no knowledge of the situation either.
 
It’s probably just fans wanting some clarity on what is going on. And to know we are moving forward and not just making past mistakes. This maybe a new leadership team but we’ve had years and years of incompetence from the leading figures at the club.

Just hope it doesn’t drag on beyond this week. The season may be a while away but it’s best to get a new manager in asap to begin planning.
 
I think it looks unproffesional and a bit farcical

The manager wants to know his future, as do most.

If it has taken this long to do a review then we are in trouble. I just listened to the G.Nev podcast with Viera, and he doesn't name Palace and Nice, but you get the impression neither is well run from above. And the Nice fans will tell you the same. I don't imagine they are gutted they want to sell.

For me, this isn't a good look for anybody. If I was ETH I'd be tempted to walk if a good offer came in.

It looks like. not that it is, they have done their review and don't want ETH, or they would have said. So where does that leave the manager. They are scouring around looking for a manager, but none seem keen, which is not a good look. So we all get back after summer break knowing they did their review, don't want the manager but he is there.

Are they approaching players? or not? How can you approach a player when they don't know who the manager will be.
 
I get people want clarity but this is a massive decision that will cost the club millions and they have to be absolutely certain they're hiring the right man for the job if that means taking a little bit more time then good. Getting this decision wrong because you felt rushed would do a lot more harm than good.

We've seen at other clubs what can happen if you sack a manager and don't have the replacement ready. Didn't Spurs go through about 5 or 6 people one summer before they ended up with Nuno who they probably didn't want as everyone was turning them down. I dare say Bayern have ended up in the same spot with Kompany.

It's been an odd summer because Liverpool, Barca and Bayern all knew their managers were leaving 3-6 months ago and it was public knowledge. It took all of them months to confirm their appointments. Juventus haven't officially announced Motta yet.

This is probably the first time as fans we've been through this sort of limbo of not knowing who the manager will be next season for a very long time. It's certainly the first time in my lifetime.
 
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So was he on the shortlist and removed or not on the shortlist in the first place or does the shortlist even exist?

All questions may or may not be answered behind the paywall.

Given what’s reported as the reason he left Chelsea (lack of control over sales/signings) he was never going to fit in the structure Utd appear to be going for.
 
Now in the news it say Tuchel was not suitable as Dan Ashworth wanted a Yes man who is not going to interfere in buying players and be just a coach who just coaches the team who is giving to them by the club.
 
justintime said:
Now in the news it say Tuchel was not suitable as Dan Ashworth wanted a Yes man who is not going to interfere in buying players and be just a coach who just coaches the team who is giving to them by the club.
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That's a good thing isn't it?

It means every coach we hire will fit our philosophy and there will be a team waiting for him. He won't be able to complain he needs 8 years to build 'his team' and leave us with the rubbish he bought.

A good example of this being £85 million pound Antony.
 
I'm not sure that's how it works.

The coach says what position needs filling, the people above give him a choice I think.

I hope they don't just buy randoms like Chelsea
 
Well yeah, the coach will have a choice to some degree.... but I think on the whole, it is a pretty sound way to keep the team from getting out of control with crap bought by one manager.
 

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