Next manager

Ignore google and follow the money.

At the moment no one is concrete to replace him. Pochetino is 13/8 favourite. Those odds make it sound like ETH has a stay of execution and United don't have someone in mind.
 
Betting odds on these sort of markets are known for huge fluctuations, a few big bets and odds are slashed to protect profits, a new rumour in the papers and the odds move again. Why anyone bets on these sort of markets is beyond me but that's a different story.

There are lots of managers out of work and maybe a few who are looking to make a step up and their agents will have no issue feeding a story to a friendly journalist linking them to a job like Utd which might be available because it's good for their client.
 
Fundamentally, there isn't anyone around really. So stick is what I think they will do.
 
Mr C said:
Fundamentally, there isn't anyone around really. So stick is what I think they will do.
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If Ineos don’t have a clear target in mind then yeah I think you should stick with him. But that is not a good position to be in to have a manager in place who is there because the owners can’t find anyone else to lead their project.
 
I don't think it helps half their new staff at top level haven't actually started yet
 
Mr C said:
I don't think it helps half their new staff at top level haven't actually started yet
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Yeah that certainly can’t be helping. Everyone knows it’s a long term project and to succeed they need to get most moves right. I do think Ten Hag can turn it around for united but I do think the danger is if it starts badly next year he’s gone. And I’m just not sure you can go in to a new season with that in mind.
 
SuperRash said:
Betting odds are about as reliable as google!
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They are however when you see someone go in to 1/4 you know something significant is happening. When the lowest price contender is 13/8 it's clear that there is nothing concrete happening behind the scenes and no man specifically wanted for the job at the moment.
 
Only Wilcox has officially started.

Berrada starts mid July
Dan Ashworth is TBC.
 
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It's going to be really interesting to see how hands on "ineos" are going to be once the new directors start.

If they've got such a hard on for Southgate they need to stick him in at Nice first so he can prove he's a top club manager.

You can't go around giving it all "best in class" then appoint someone like Southgate into the most important position in the football club.
 
This is becoming a nightmare now. I know it is early days but this Ineos take over seems to be going down the hill from the start. I remember Clive Woodward saga in football. What works in cycling is not going to work in football especially in a mega club like United. Plus he cannot use the TUE in football and I have been having this sinking feeling for a while now. Might was will bring Big Sam as he gives a good interview.
 
I've never been on board with Ineos, got slated for it.

But the sports they have got involved in haven't gone well.

But, they are getting the right people in the right places which is encouraging.

I cannot take these Southgate rumours seriously, if this is their big plan, then we are in trouble. Did Ashworth appoint him to England?
 
justintime said:
This is becoming a nightmare now. I know it is early days but this Ineos take over seems to be going down the hill from the start. I remember Clive Woodward saga in football. What works in cycling is not going to work in football especially in a mega club like United. Plus he cannot use the TUE in football and I have been having this sinking feeling for a while now. Might was will bring Big Sam as he gives a good interview.
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Well for a start in the space of 6 months they've basically sacked and hired a completely new board of directors who will now run the club.

Start at the top and work down is a pretty good strategy for completely changing the culture of a business.

The next layer below the board is being built at the moment with Wilcox in place and Ashworth expected to join at some point this summer. The appointments probably are taking longer than they'd have hoped but this is the way of the world now clubs are very reluctant to let top execs leave mid season. Demanding "transfer fees" for executives I mean do me a favour.

Sir Jim has said openly he'd rather walk to the right decision than run to the wrong one so things will take time and as long as they're done right I'm willing to be patient. There isn't a quick fix to our problems.

They have made big decisions to cut loose expensive first team players who are not performing consistently at the level we need them due to injuries and I suspect more will follow.

They've already started improvement works at the existing training ground which was noted as requiring immediate attention.

They've also setup a group to start looking at the best option for the stadium works which need to be starting in the next 2-3 years whichever way they decide to go.

As for the manager there is absolutely no need to rush out a big announcement if it could be a mistake. If a better manager isn't available then it makes absolutely no sense to panic into sacking the current one.
 
There probably are better managers but how much better are they?

My view is we should only change if we're really confident that the guy we're bringing in is the perfect fit for how things are going to work going forward.

I also think they'll want to make sure they get the first pick right and they probably want that pick to have the full backing of the new decision makers. So until they're all in I really do think they'll stick with Erik.

There just isn't an obvious answer to the question of who the next manager should be.

Luis Enrique only have 12 months left at PSG maybe they've got 1 eye on him but they have to wait until he's available, who knows.
 
Let’s not forget theres a lot wrong at the club that need putting right, if it takes longer but ultimately goes in the right direction it’s worth it.
Jim is a mastermind businessman he’s no fool is what I’m clinging to.
 
JammyRed said:
Let’s not forget theirs a lot wrong at the club that need putting right, if it takes longer but ultimately goes in the right direction it’s worth it.
Jim is a mastermind businessman he’s no fool is what I’m clinging to.
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The Glazers are great business people too.
 
justintime said:
The Glazers are great business people too.
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Great at stealing money maybe and no idea about football, saddled the club with record debt without putting a dime in, all borrowed against the club.
Makes you wonder why SJR took it on.
 
The Glazers were great at inheriting their fathers billions, they did not build their own empire.
 
JammyRed said:
Great at stealing money maybe and no idea about football, saddled the club with record debt without putting a dime in, all borrowed against the club.
Makes you wonder why SJR took it on.
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What has he done before in football? Owning Nice is not exactly a huge success.
 
justintime said:
What has he done before in football? Owning Nice is not exactly a huge success.
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He’s got people in place to run the football side of things did you think he was going to do it?
United have been getting record revenue but still reporting losses under the Glazers because the club has been a shambles for years, I can’t see how it can be run any worse off the field and he’s seen this straight away.
Admittedly on the field it still has to be seen and there’s a long way to go let’s hope it works because it can’t get much worse.
 
JammyRed said:
He’s got people in place to run the football side of things did you think he was going to do it?
United have been getting record revenue but still reporting losses under the Glazers because the club has been a shambles for years, I can’t see how it can be run any worse off the field and he’s seen this straight away.
Admittedly on the field it still has to be seen and there’s a long way to go let’s hope it works because it can’t get much worse.
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If as the reports say he is waiting for Southgate it is going to get worse.
 
If it is Southgate then not only is that a serious question mark against Ineos but also they’ve handled this all terribly. If Southgate is their man then why not sack Ten Hag and wait for Southgate? Sorry but if he was their man then they could have sounded him out months ago before the Euros build up. If the whole idea is to put in place a structure then you don’t necessarily need the manager to start making signings.
 
What had most owners done in football before they buy a club?

Owners tend not to bounce around starting at the bottom then moving up the leagues in terms of owning clubs.

Sir Jim made his fortune buying up underperforming parts of businesses, restructuring them and then turning them from loss makers to profit. That's pretty much how he works and I suspect his approach to Utd will be a lot like when he takes over any other business. Root out the problem, install new management with a new plan then sit back and hopefully reap the rewards.

It would seem his plan is to appoint experienced execs to run the club for him in Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth. This idea that he'll be running things day to day and picking who the manager is and who'll we'll sign I think is nonsense. He will expect the experts he pays good money to make the correct decisions that deliver the results on the pitch.
 
jsp said:
What had most owners done in football before they buy a club?

Owners tend not to bounce around starting at the bottom then moving up the leagues in terms of owning clubs.

Sir Jim made his fortune buying up underperforming parts of businesses, restructuring them and then turning them from loss makers to profit. That's pretty much how he works and I suspect his approach to Utd will be a lot like when he takes over any other business. Root out the problem, install new management with a new plan then sit back and hopefully reap the rewards.

It would seem his plan is to appoint experienced execs to run the club for him in Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth. This idea that he'll be running things day to day and picking who the manager is and who'll we'll sign I think is nonsense. He will expect the experts he pays good money to make the correct decisions that deliver the results on the pitch.
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Exactly
 
I think everyone will be gutted but all the reporting around Southgate seems to be he's good mates with Brailsford and Ashworth, there never seems to be any serious substance to him actually getting the job.

Especially when they know that if he fails their reputation is in tatters going forward given none of the fans want him.
 
jsp said:
What had most owners done in football before they buy a club?

Owners tend not to bounce around starting at the bottom then moving up the leagues in terms of owning clubs.

Sir Jim made his fortune buying up underperforming parts of businesses, restructuring them and then turning them from loss makers to profit. That's pretty much how he works and I suspect his approach to Utd will be a lot like when he takes over any other business. Root out the problem, install new management with a new plan then sit back and hopefully reap the rewards.

It would seem his plan is to appoint experienced execs to run the club for him in Berrada, Wilcox and Ashworth. This idea that he'll be running things day to day and picking who the manager is and who'll we'll sign I think is nonsense. He will expect the experts he pays good money to make the correct decisions that deliver the results on the pitch.
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Tony Fernandes made his money in low cost airline. When he started to run a football club QPR see what happened.
 
I don't think it matters what happened to Tony Fernandes.

These are two different people.
 
justintime said:
Tony Fernandes made his money in low cost airline. When he started to run a football club QPR see what happened.
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The key difference is in business your success is measured by your profits or your share price.

football success is measured by points on the pitch.

In a lot of cases in football your success on the pitch is laregely defined by how much your owners are willing to lose off it.

There are maybe 4 or 5 clubs in the world who can genuinely punch their weight at the highest level without the backing of a billionaire covering the cost. Utd are one of those clubs it just needs to be better organised.

No one knows how good Sir Jim will be at sorting out the issues here but give the bloke a chance. His success will likely be known after 5 years not 5 months.
 
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