Marcus Rashford | Match Discussion thread 2022/23

Has there been any indication that he might not sign a new deal? I've always been under the impression that his roots were important to him.
 
Hasn’t been much talk either way but Barcelona and PSG are both interested and if his contract goes to the final year he could be a possible option for those clubs.

I think he’d like to stay but he’s mid 20’s now so if a club like Barcelona came I could see him being tempted.
 
There's more too life than sun, if the club 'want' him to stay he stays, simples. But if he starts asking for stupid money(current De Gea levels +)he should be moved on, sharpish.
 
Sancho is on £350k a week so it’s going to be pretty hard for the club to agree a deal on less than that.

Casemiro and Varane are up near those sort of wages as well.

His contract won’t be sorted until the club is sold anyway.
 
jsp said:
Sancho is on £350k a week so it’s going to be pretty hard for the club to agree a deal on less than that.

Casemiro and Varane are up near those sort of wages as well.

His contract won’t be sorted until the club is sold anyway.
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Academy grads are usually offered, and accept lower wages that star purchases, don't know why, but ....

Well I do know.
 
Justin Cider said:
Academy grads are usually offered, and accept lower wages that star purchases, don't know why, but ....

Well I do know.
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I accept the general point but how many of these academy grads became the face of the club? When Becks reached that status he was top earner and while Rashford isn’t the worldwide megastar becks was I don’t think he will be accepting less than the going rate.
 
jsp said:
I accept the general point but how many of these academy grads became the face of the club? When Becks reached that status he was top earner and while Rashford isn’t the worldwide megastar becks was I don’t think he will be accepting less than the going rate.
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Where you getting that from?

Roy Keane was top dog on £75,000 a week, and that was only after SAF went into bat for him against the board when Juventus were offering him twice that, and the rest including the Class of 92 were on between £25,000 and £50,000 a week, obviously Posh Spice's hubby would have been at the upper end of that scale.
 
Becks last contract he was on £100k a week from memory he was the first player in England to earn that sort of money, as it included a share in his image rights.

It put him above the deal Keane got.
 
jsp said:
Becks last contract he was on £100k a week from memory he was the first player in England to earn that sort of money, as it included a share in his image rights.

It put him above the deal Keane got.
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I'm sorry, but there was just no way one of the mere underlings was on more than SAF and Mr Angry aka Roy Maurice Keane.
 
Beckham signed a £90k a week contract in 2002 making him the highest paid player in the country.
 
And Keane and SAF would've signed a contract extension to match/better it not long after.
 
Justin Cider said:
And Keane and SAF would've signed a contract extension to match/better it not long after.
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Please provide your supporting evidence.

The Beckham deal included a share of his image rights so his base salary may have been lower than those 2 but his whole package likely worth more.

Keane signs new United deal

www.skysports.com www.skysports.com

Becks signed his deal after Keane renewed his contract and given how much of a cash cow he was it isn’t surprising that he was the top earner.
 
jsp said:
Please provide your supporting evidence.

The Beckham deal included a share of his image rights so his base salary may have been lower than those 2 but his whole package likely worth more.

Keane signs new United deal

www.skysports.com www.skysports.com

Becks signed his deal after Keane renewed his contract and given how much of a cash cow he was it isn’t surprising that he was the top earner.
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Behave with that nonsense, and how old were you when it happened, had you even started big-boys school yet?

Roy Keane, SAF's Captain was always the top paid player(as is the case at most clubs), and SAF after being criminally underpaid for years had an agreement with the board that he(SAF)would get the same, and the only time Keane wasn't the top earner were the brief spells after certain players(your example Beckham) negotiated a new deal, or when players like Veron came in, but it was written(presumably) in Keane's contract that he would have parity at least with the highest earner.

And the image rights were a separate issue, and that's the one downside of Cantona's time at the club, the only downside, and one of the reasons SAF tried to push Beckham out the door when he started getting too big for his boots.
 
Justin Cider said:
Behave with that nonsense, and how old were you when it happened, had you even started big-boys school yet?

Roy Keane, SAF's Captain was always the top paid player(as is the case at most clubs), and SAF after being criminally underpaid for years had an agreement with the board that he(SAF)would get the same, and the only time Keane wasn't the top earner were the brief spells after certain players(your example Beckham) negotiated a new deal, or when players like Veron came in, but it was written(presumably) in Keane's contract that he would have parity at least with the highest earner.

And the image rights were a separate issue, and that's the one downside of Cantona's time at the club, the only downside, and one of the reasons SAF tried to push Beckham out the door when he started getting too big for his boots.
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Yep was well on my way to nailing my GCSE's and I'll resist taking a dig at your age.

I asked you to back up your opinion with a fact, provide me something other than just your opinion and I might accept I'm wrong and you are right. I looked back to check my memory and what I found supports what I remember Beckham got big fat contracts that were on par or better than anyone else at the club despite being an academy player.

Interesting logic about the captains Cantona and Keane probably were the highest earners as captains but I doubt Bruce, Schmeichel, Neville and Vidic were the highest earners at Utd when they were captain.

Your original point was the club can normally get away with paying the academy lads a bit less than they'd get elsewhere and I tend to agree with that but there's always an exception and I pointed to Beckham. Rashford is by far the most high profile academy player we've had since Becks so he's going to be able to go into negotiations with the club and expect the market rate.

Utd probably used to get away with paying a bit less than others because they were winning every season. Players probably turned down more money to be a Utd player Berbatov/RVP probably would have earned more at City than they got at Utd but Utd is where they wanted to play.

Rashford got less on his last contract than Martial did reports were £200k a week to £250k a week. If I was Rashford going into these talks I'd be pretty determined not to be mugged off again.
 
Yeah I am roughly the same age as JSP. Probably the point I was most obsessed with everything football. But even though I remembered it I went and googled it to check I was correct before stating what I did and found many articles that back up my memory that time.

Beckham signed a £90k a week contract weeks after Keane signed his new contract that made him the highest paid player in the world. £70k + £20k media rights which no other player in the club had at the time.
 
jsp said:
Yep was well on my way to nailing my GCSE's and I'll resist taking a dig at your age.

I asked you to back up your opinion with a fact, provide me something other than just your opinion and I might accept I'm wrong and you are right. I looked back to check my memory and what I found supports what I remember Beckham got big fat contracts that were on par or better than anyone else at the club despite being an academy player.

Interesting logic about the captains Cantona and Keane probably were the highest earners as captains but I doubt Bruce, Schmeichel, Neville and Vidic were the highest earners at Utd when they were captain.

Your original point was the club can normally get away with paying the academy lads a bit less than they'd get elsewhere and I tend to agree with that but there's always an exception and I pointed to Beckham. Rashford is by far the most high profile academy player we've had since Becks so he's going to be able to go into negotiations with the club and expect the market rate.

Utd probably used to get away with paying a bit less than others because they were winning every season. Players probably turned down more money to be a Utd player Berbatov/RVP probably would have earned more at City than they got at Utd but Utd is where they wanted to play.

Rashford got less on his last contract than Martial did reports were £200k a week to £250k a week. If I was Rashford going into these talks I'd be pretty determined not to be mugged off again.
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Don't be so sensitive about the age thing, it's just younger people are more likely to believe everything as Gospel. Sadly some folk never snap out of it.

As a regular match-goer at the time you pick up on things in the match programmes and the Pink Final that you didn't get anywhere else, plus there was less them and us at the time with players/management and you pick up stuff that way too.

I've got a few old M.E.N from the time when it was still a quality paper with quotes from the relevant people, none of this a source says nonsense you get today, and I'll gladly show you them if you ever pop around for a cuppa. You can supply your own biscuits though.

United were traditionally poor payers and you're right Bruce wouldn't have been one of the top earners when he was Captain, but that was before Keane and as I pointed out when there was a real worry Roy Keane would leave the club SAF went into battle with the board, and he didn't do too bad out of it himself, to get Keane a significant pay rise and rightly so, with an understanding that he would be the top earner whilst still Captain, by the time he threw his wobbly when his knees were gone he was on nearly three times the wage he was on when SAF originally took the board on.

Schmeichel was never full-time Captain, and with Neville, the he's an Academy rule applied, plus he'd have been scared to keep asking for parity with the top earners as they'd have laughed him out of the room, and Gary knew it. And not sure Vida was ever officially team Captain.

Yes he(Rashford)is in a strong bargaining position, just hope the board don't feel they have to cave to his/his agents demands because he's in a rich-vein of form.
 
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Part of the academy pay thing was that there wasn’t anywhere else to go. British players typically didn’t go abroad, and under Fergie, another English club was going to be a step down.

Rashford is just as likely to go to PSG or Real Madrid as City or Newcastle, both of which could be steps up.

This isn’t just a good run of form he’s on that doesn’t match the rest of his career. The outlier is the last 2 1/2 seasons when he was physically and mentally injured. Pay the man what he’s worth.
 
He won't go to city and Newcastle is not a step up.
He will not go to another prem team. And if we carry on like this he'll sign.
 
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Rashford strikes again! will he manage to get to the end of the season before his sulky, stroppy self resurfaces?
He is still to convince me he is or can be the real deal over a prolonged period.
 
EtHagArmy said:
Rashford strikes again! will he manage to get to the end of the season before his sulky, stroppy self resurfaces?
He is still to convince me he is or can be the real deal over a prolonged period.
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Sorry but that has got to be a wind up.
 
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Great to see him finishing with his left foot.

Certainly seems to be back to the player we saw 2 seasons ago he's absolutely buzzing with confidence at the moment and seems to trust his body.

There are certain things he can do with his acceleration that make him unstoppable, it is good to see the smile back on his face.
 
Justin Cider said:
Sorry but that has got to be a wind up.
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No not at all. When a footballer pulls on the United shirt and takes to the pitch he should do so with the mindset that they will give their all to get the result. There are a number of players in this squad that weren't doing that for extended periods prior to EtH signings restoring some work ethic, pride in performance, pride in the jersey. Those players have a long way to go before they can be forgiven their sins. They will need to shine for a long time, not just a purple patch to restore faith. Rashford is one of them players. His extended run of piss poor form and seeming lack of interest was largely down to sulking. We can all be unhappy for whatever reason but you need to get over it for 90 minutes.
Rashford showed he has the sulking potential within his make up and so there is potential for it to return.
He needs to show us it wont.
 
EtHagArmy said:
No not at all. When a footballer pulls on the United shirt and takes to the pitch he should do so with the mindset that they will give their all to get the result. There are a number of players in this squad that weren't doing that for extended periods prior to EtH signings restoring some work ethic, pride in performance, pride in the jersey. Those players have a long way to go before they can be forgiven their sins. They will need to shine for a long time, not just a purple patch to restore faith. Rashford is one of them players. His extended run of piss poor form and seeming lack of interest was largely down to sulking. We can all be unhappy for whatever reason but you need to get over it for 90 minutes.
Rashford showed he has the sulking potential within his make up and so there is potential for it to return.
He needs to show us it wont.
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Don't know why but I read that in the voice of the late Rev Ian Paisley ....

But joking aside it reads as though you expect Sulky Boy to come back, slightly more than you hope it doesn't.
 
Justin Cider said:
Don't know why but I read that in the voice of the late Rev Ian Paisley ....

But joking aside it reads as though you expect Sulky Boy to come back, slightly more than you hope it doesn't.
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Not at all. I am hopeful he knows that under EtH there is no room for it and there will be a price to pay should he start such sulky ways again. Then he may even learn the meaning of a touch too many, when best to release the ball etc etc..... upon which he may become one of the best in Europe.
 
I think it's pretty obvious his head had gone last year the injuries, the penalty miss at the euro's, the absolute mess Utd were in clearly got to him and he wasn't himself.

The culture change at the club has clearly helped him loads of the unhappy players are now gone, it's now looking more like a serious professional culture is in place and the players are buzzing off it as it's getting the best from them.

Anyone who's worked in a toxic work environment will know it drags your own performance down to that level eventually it's no different in football. If you create a healthy, focused and rewarding environment in the way ETH has it will bring everyone else up to that level and those that don't want to be part of it need to leave.

In terms of ability I don't think Rashford can be an Mbappe level player the unstoppable force type forward who gets you 40 odd a season but he can easily reach the level of a player like Son and be a 20-25 goal a season forward.

No doubt this current run will end and he will have a dip in form as he's that sort of player but even Rooney had those sort of slumps. The way he's playing at the moment he is pretty much unplayable and the opponent must be terrified of what he's going to do to them.
 
jsp said:
I think it's pretty obvious his head had gone last year the injuries, the penalty miss at the euro's, the absolute mess Utd were in clearly got to him and he wasn't himself.

The culture change at the club has clearly helped him loads of the unhappy players are now gone, it's now looking more like a serious professional culture is in place and the players are buzzing off it as it's getting the best from them.

Anyone who's worked in a toxic work environment will know it drags your own performance down to that level eventually it's no different in football. If you create a healthy, focused and rewarding environment in the way ETH has it will bring everyone else up to that level and those that don't want to be part of it need to leave.

In terms of ability I don't think Rashford can be an Mbappe level player the unstoppable force type forward who gets you 40 odd a season but he can easily reach the level of a player like Son and be a 20-25 goal a season forward.

No doubt this current run will end and he will have a dip in form as he's that sort of player but even Rooney had those sort of slumps. The way he's playing at the moment he is pretty much unplayable and the opponent must be terrified of what he's going to do to them.
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That about sums it up
 
EtHagArmy said:
Not at all. I am hopeful he knows that under EtH there is no room for it and there will be a price to pay should he start such sulky ways again. Then he may even learn the meaning of a touch too many, when best to release the ball etc etc..... upon which he may become one of the best in Europe.
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I don't think he chose to be sulky, he was just struggling with what most of us blokes do with the jump from still being a Boy to a Proper Man, and it's not all that easy when you are in the media spotlight constantly, that and he took his eye off the ball with his feed the Scousers stuff and instead of taking a breather when his body was begging for a rest he ploughed on, if he had that time again he'd probably get the treatment(for his shoulder especially)sooner and rested up.

And on his mood I think he allowed the treatment(on social media) his best mate(Lingard)was receiving get to him, and as a mentor to MG that will have got to him as well, and both are understandable.

Think he's already one of the best, if he keeps improving the World is his Lobster.
 
Rashford's last ten games:

Goal
Goal & Assist
Goal
Goal
Goal & Assist
Goal x 2
Goal

Goal
Goal

Can't believe he didn't score against Palace, maybe time to sell him on ....
 

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