Kobbie Mainoo to leave?

I read about the 200k a week somewhere and laughed at it. If he genuinely wants that, he's not living in reality and should be sold. He's achieved nothing.

It signifies huge greed, and that's not a player I want at this club.
 
Not sure it's come out what Amad is on.

Basically Amad, Garnacho, Hojlund, Yoro and Mainoo should all be on the same sort of money. They're the young core of the squad so all of them should be on similar sort of wages.
 
It's being reported Amad is now on 120k per week. Yoro is on 100k, Garnacho 50k, and Hojlund 85k.

That makes it clear Mainoo is trying to get himself sold if the reports are true about his demands.
 
I doubt those rumours are true but he’s possibly looking at what players like Maguire, Mount and Shaw are on and thinking he should be getting something around that. English premium and all that.
 
I'm thinking the same to be honest. It seemed to come out of nowhere and I cant find any reason that he'd suddenly become so arrogant, but you never know.
 
It is just agents trying to get the best deal possible that’s their job.

Utd I just think are sending the message out that we are no longer a soft touch and won’t be held to ransom by players.

Hopefully Mainoo wants to stay and be part of the rebuild of the club. If that’s the case agreeing a number both sides can be happy with is more likely.
 
jsp said:
It is just agents trying to get the best deal possible that’s their job.

Utd I just think are sending the message out that we are no longer a soft touch and won’t be held to ransom by players.

Hopefully Mainoo wants to stay and be part of the rebuild of the club. If that’s the case agreeing a number both sides can be happy with is more likely.
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Yeah hopefully Ruben can show him that staying at Utd will offer opportunities to progress financially by using Bruno as example
 
Agree a decent salary with a promise it will be reviewed in a couple of seasons if targets met
 
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The Guardian is saying Mainoo is set to reject United’s contract offer and move abroad.
 
Sounds fishy to me.

Story isn’t from one of the Utd journalists that work there.

What European club is going to pay us £100m then give him a top salary to go with it?
 
£100m for Mainoo?

Stop it.

He's played well for 6 months of his very small career. If I was the buyer and told the price is £100m, I'd just laugh.

It's like all this 180k a week talk, that wage would put him on the 3rd highest pay at Liverpool. It's more than anybody gets at Villa. You get the point.

Properly joke material.
 
Jayc1860 said:
£100m for Mainoo?

Stop it.

He's played well for 6 months of his very small career. If I was the buyer and told the price is £100m, I'd just laugh.

It's like all this 180k a week talk, that wage would put him on the 3rd highest pay at Liverpool. It's more than anybody gets at Villa. You get the point.

Properly joke material.
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Scored in an FA cup final. Top performances for England at the euros taking them to the finals.

Ok maybe 100m is a bit heavy but it’s not ridiculous. You pay a mega premium for talent now.

Enzo Fernandez, Rice and Caicedo all went for over 100m and Rice is the only one you’d say had a record that stood up over seasons rather than months.

Amad’s new deal is reported to be worth £120k including bonuses. Mainoo should be offered similar with the promise that 2 years in we can renegotiate if he continues to develop.
 
jsp said:
Scored in an FA cup final. Top performances for England at the euros taking them to the finals.

Ok maybe 100m is a bit heavy but it’s not ridiculous. You pay a mega premium for talent now.

Enzo Fernandez, Rice and Caicedo all went for over 100m and Rice is the only one you’d say had a record that stood up over seasons rather than months.

Amad’s new deal is reported to be worth £120k including bonuses. Mainoo should be offered similar with the promise that 2 years in we can renegotiate if he continues to develop.
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I think It's pretty clear Amad is a totally different tier of talent. Being honest though I think even 120k pw is a bit much for him too.

Mainoo should be offered double his current wage with incentives based upon playing time and development. That's it.

We need to start to sort out our pay structure once and for all.

Right now the most I would offer for Mainoo is £40m. Even that is giving me question marks. I just don't think we've seen enough of him and nor is he a special kind of talent capable of playing in many positions well. We haven't even really pinned him down to one perfect role yet. There is all this talk by you and others that he can play as a #10. I find this very alarming, he's nowhere near creative enough to be a #10. He's too weak to be a DM. He can't even manage playing central midfield box to box, he's weak and slow and always tired.

What's left? A CM that plays 65 mins per game who's capable of a keeping the ball and making a few passes? That's not a £100m player.
 
Jayc1860 said:
I think It's pretty clear Amad is a totally different tier of talent. Being honest though I think even 120k pw is a bit much for him too.

Mainoo should be offered double his current wage with incentives based upon playing time and development. That's it.

We need to start to sort out our pay structure once and for all.

Right now the most I would offer for Mainoo is £40m. Even that is giving me question marks. I just don't think we've seen enough of him and nor is he a special kind of talent capable of playing in many positions well. We haven't even really pinned him down to one perfect role yet. There is all this talk by you and others that he can play as a #10. I find this very alarming, he's nowhere near creative enough to be a #10. He's too weak to be a DM. He can't even manage playing central midfield box to box, he's weak and slow and always tired.

What's left? A CM that plays 65 mins per game who's capable of a keeping the ball and making a few passes? That's not a £100m player.
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Amad can only be considered above Mainoo if he does the same again next season. He’s also a few years older.

Mainoo should be offered the terms of a first team regular (whatever that is now). My guess is that’s around the £120k deal Amad got.

As for being a number 10 that was his position in the youth teams. If you think of the best Mainoo moments they were all quick feet in the final third stuff. I don’t think he’s got the awareness (yet) to play in a midfield 2. Also I don’t think he’s got the passing game to be a real playmaker from deep.

What he’s got he’s got is great ability to carry the ball through tight spaces and some good finishing skills from around the edge of the box. That seems well suited to the number 10 roles Amorim has.
 
jsp said:
Amad can only be considered above Mainoo if he does the same again next season. He’s also a few years older.

Mainoo should be offered the terms of a first team regular (whatever that is now). My guess is that’s around the £120k deal Amad got.

As for being a number 10 that was his position in the youth teams. If you think of the best Mainoo moments they were all quick feet in the final third stuff. I don’t think he’s got the awareness (yet) to play in a midfield 2. Also I don’t think he’s got the passing game to be a real playmaker from deep.

What he’s got he’s got is great ability to carry the ball through tight spaces and some good finishing skills from around the edge of the box. That seems well suited to the number 10 roles Amorim has.
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I just don't see it. He's not a #10, for me.

It doesn't matter who is right though - he has to start to nail down a position and play it well consistently to be talked about in terms of big money.

He's got a very long way to go whether he stays or goes.
 
Anyone that thinks losing Mainoo is a good idea is a Glazer sympathiser.
 
IDFD said:
Anyone that thinks losing Mainoo is a good idea is a Glazer sympathiser.
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What has this got to do with anything? Nobody has mentioned the Glazers, or expressed a desire for Mainoo to leave.

Just more shit stirring.
 
Probably not a popular opinion I really liked him at first but as I am admittedly hard to impress I don’t think Mainoo is that good the more Iv seen.
Well not yet, he’s got a good footballing brain most of the time but there’s a slowness about him in thinking about releasing the ball quicker, he sometimes dithers and his passes are getting intercepted at times, he lacks pace and that probably won’t change if he’s not got it at 19 I can’t see it improving.
I don’t want him sold though unless it’s for ridiculous money.
 
I think Mainoo has the potential to be an excellent player. I do wonder though how he's going to fit into Amorin's team. Does he replace Bruno? Do we expect him to change his game and become a partner for a DM?

At least with Garnacho and Amad we know where they can fit in and what qualities they can bring to the squad.

I wouldn't want to lose any of them. But if we had to, it'd be a tough call between Garnacho and Mainoo.
 
I think wherever he plays going forward there’s parts of his game he will need to work on.

If he wants to be a centre mid most teams play with 2 now so he will need to get better without the ball. If he wants to be a 10 then his attacking output needs to improve.

This is totally normal for a lad at the start of his career. For him now it’s about learning the game at the top level so he can use his skills to dominate games.
 
If I were a young player with his talent there's no way I would want to be developing in such a chaotic and presumably unhappy working environment. He probably had a chat with Bellingham and realised what he needs to do for his career.
 
tripleglazed said:
If I were a young player with his talent there's no way I would want to be developing in such a chaotic and presumably unhappy working environment. He probably had a chat with Bellingham and realised what he needs to do for his career.
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It's a good point actually.
 
tripleglazed said:
If I were a young player with his talent there's no way I would want to be developing in such a chaotic and presumably unhappy working environment. He probably had a chat with Bellingham and realised what he needs to do for his career.
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I think we could be developing into somewhere that is less chaotic though. We have a manager who has a clear vision, where as previous managers sometimes were just making it up as they went along. Hopefully the structure above the manager is also improving and I definitely think there signs of that - on a pure footballing level anyway.

Plus we are still one of the very best clubs in the world. Obviously not the very best team right now but you still cannot underestimate the desire of players to play for us. We are still a major pull.
 
SuperRash said:
I think we could be developing into somewhere that is less chaotic though. We have a manager who has a clear vision, where as previous managers sometimes were just making it up as they went along. Hopefully the structure above the manager is also improving and I definitely think there signs of that - on a pure footballing level anyway.

Plus we are still one of the very best clubs in the world. Obviously not the very best team right now but you still cannot underestimate the desire of players to play for us. We are still a major pull.
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I don't think we are a major pull except for our reputation for over paying wages. We are quite obviously no longer one of the very best clubs in the world. We are the fifteenth best in England. We need to be realistic about how badly the Glazers have damaged us.

Imagine going to work every day where the staff are being sacked and bullied left right and centre because you can't get the team in the top four. You'd feel like everyone blamed you.
 
There is a lot of very harsh comments on here. He's a phenomenal talent for his age.
 
IDFD said:
There is a lot of very harsh comments on here. He's a phenomenal talent for his age.
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Got to agree with this. The way he came into the side in his first season was fantastic and he was instantly our best central midfielder. Granted he’s had a poor second season but that happens with young players. I would be pretty gutted to lose such a good player.
 
SuperRash said:
Got to agree with this. The way he came into the side in his first season was fantastic and he was instantly our best central midfielder. Granted he’s had a poor second season but that happens with young players. I would be pretty gutted to lose such a good player.
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Classic blinkered views you have on Mainoo.

When I was 20 I was the same, always thinking our players were some type of special well before they'd earned it.

It's an easy thing to do if you love the club and everything about it. I know that last part is impossible these days, but you get the point.

Mainoo is an exciting talent that should not be sold, but he's very far from being pivotal.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Classic blinkered views you have on Mainoo.

When I was 20 I was the same, always thinking our players were some type of special well before they'd earned it.

It's an easy thing to do if you love the club and everything about it. I know that last part is impossible these days, but you get the point.

Mainoo is an exciting talent that should not be sold, but he's very far from being pivotal.
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How is it blinkered if it’s an opinion?

Wish I was 20! In any case that comment was extremely condescending. I’m not naive to think young players don’t need to earn it, he hasn’t earned anything yet but to write him off or suggest cashing in on him is pretty ludicrous in my blinkered opinion.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Classic blinkered views you have on Mainoo.

When I was 20 I was the same, always thinking our players were some type of special well before they'd earned it.

It's an easy thing to do if you love the club and everything about it. I know that last part is impossible these days, but you get the point.

Mainoo is an exciting talent that should not be sold, but he's very far from being pivotal.
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It's blinkered because you're overrating our talent by miles. It doesn't matter what you think the player may be capable of in the future, he's done absolutely nothing to earn this praise. He can't even stay fit and pin down a place in our team.

What matters most in football is current form and level, and Mainoo has no form, and his level is at best of an exciting prospect level. That's pretty much all.

If he was available for sale, do you think any of the big teams would buy him off us for some of these stupid prices people are saying?

The answer is, NO.
 
Jayc1860 said:
It's blinkered because you're overrating our talent by miles. It doesn't matter what you think the player may be capable of in the future, he's done absolutely nothing to earn this praise. He can't even stay fit and pin down a place in our team.

What matters most in football is current form and level, and Mainoo has no form, and his level is at best of an exciting prospect level. That's pretty much all.

If he was available for sale, do you think any of the big teams would buy him off us for some of these stupid prices people are saying?

The answer is, NO.
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Well if you think he’s done nothing to date then there is really no point discussing it with you. I think his first season showed what a talent he is. He certainly nailed down a place then and forced his way into the England team.

And yes I think most top clubs would be all over his agent like a rash if he became available.

Not getting any closer to that post like from me. If anything you’ve edged further away!
 
SuperRash said:
Well if you think he’s done nothing to date then there is really no point discussing it with you. I think his first season showed what a talent he is. He certainly nailed down a place then and forced his way into the England team.

And yes I think most top clubs would be all over his agent like a rash if he became available.

Not getting any closer to that post like from me. If anything you’ve edged further away!
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He hasn't done anything though, he's not had the time to. Like I keep saying, he doesn't even have a best position yet. He's shown some glimpses of what he might be capable of, but it's just here and there inbetween injuries. We need to see him playing in the team week in week out whilst performing to a high level, and not just for 60 mins.

And don't worry, I don't expect any likes from you, Bob, O-Dog or IDFD.

For all that JC was, at least he wasn't a grudge holder, or clique member. Beginning to miss him.

;p
 
Mainoo not done anything?

Did he not force himself in to the England starting 11 for a final? Did he not get the FA Cup winners goal?
 
IDFD said:
Mainoo not done anything?

Did he not force himself in to the England starting 11 for a final? Did he not get the FA Cup winners?
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He's a fantastic talent but he's not really found the right midfield partner and the right tactical formation yet. Ugarte and a functioning Amorin 3-4-2-1 might be it but the latter is a long way off. Personally I think he needs to be around better players to reach his level.
 

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