Joshua Zirkzee | Match Discussion Thread 2024/25

Goal scoring is a very important role too.

So if he ever starts to be any good, I will also come back and say I was wrong, like you did with Onana (sort of). But don't hold your breath.

How is it laden with hypocrisy, I have a view, and let people have their views happily.

You wrote Onana off, yet don't allow someone to do the same with Zirkzee. That is hypocrisy I think. And that is also the point I was making.
 
I don't think Antony was on the clubs radar pre ETH our scouts apparently prepare reports on lots of players so that they're kept on file for when we start looking at options.

In ETH's first summer he was allegedly told there was no money for new attackers unless players left the club (no one did). It was only after the first two games the club hit the emergency button and suddenly freed up the money for a new attacking player which is why the deal was done so late and at such a stupid price which was not decided by ETH.

Zirkzee was sort of the opposite the club I feel were looking at a reasonably priced Martial replacement and Zirkzee was the one the scouts came up with.

It's been a chaotic start to the season but so far there's not been a lot of stuff to cling on to with Zirkzee. Been a few flashes but we've not really had a solid performance from him yet that makes you think he's a proper player.
 
Mr C said:
Goal scoring is a very important role too.

So if he ever starts to be any good, I will also come back and say I was wrong, like you did with Onana (sort of). But don't hold your breath.

How is it laden with hypocrisy, I have a view, and let people have their views happily.

You wrote Onana off, yet don't allow someone to do the same with Zirkzee. That is hypocrisy I think. And that is also the point I was making.
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I don't mind good critique, I actually encouarge it. What I don't encourage is complete lies and wild opinions. They're two very different things and I think the difference is clear to me, but not to you. After every game you're going on about his poor control and inability to take up good positions. Both are dead wrong, he's good at both but you choose to ignore it because it doesn't suit your narrative. You've also chosen to call him the worst player you've ever seen. Did I go this far with Onana? I don't think so and definitely not so quickly.

He has been put into a team struggling for goals in all positions from all players and I don't think you ever took that into consideration either.

I think we all need to give him the season and then make a better judgement.

Also, I never once criticised Onana for something he did not do. The reviews I gave were clear to see for everyone - I was far from the only one seeing his failures, particularly in the CL. He's managed to cut out the stupid errors and has become somewhat more consistent and I have just said so, so there can be no more misconceptions about it.

I won't go into how your post is hypocritical because everyone reading knows exactly what I'm getting at, including you.
 
I was critical of ETH, it's not being a hypocrit to bring up the fact you were, you were also critical of him and Onana, but won't allow somebody the same grace to be critical of Zirkzee.

I was a critic of ETH, but if somebody comes along and slags of say, Malacia, if he's ever fit. I might disagree with them, but I wouldn't start saying things like they don't know what they are talking about. Especially if I had done the same to another player, that is being a hypocrit.

Anyway, this is getting silly, I think he's crap, you don't, we'll see.


Jayc1860 said:
I think we all need to give him the season and then make a better judgement
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What you said about Onana in his first season

Jayc1860 said:
Really? He's clearly unable to do the job he was brought in to do
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Jayc1860 said:
I just don't see this working.
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Jayc1860 said:
I still stand by my summation for him - nightmare fuel.
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Jayc1860 said:
After every game you're going on about his poor control
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This also isn't true. Because I haven't mentioned it re: the Leicester game.

If he did/does something good I will mention it.

I don't dislike the player, just don't think he's anywhere good enough for Man Utd.
 
Everything I said about Onana was true. All of those comments were fair at the time. If you read that whole thread you'll find yourself absolutely battering him. So yeah, let's not go there.

Just admit you've been overly critical of Zirkzee and we can move on.
 
Hmm @Jayc1860 the below post suggests you were unfairly posting about Onana when predicting this season.

So you can’t really call out someone who has an opinion of another player when you similarly have strong opinions.

For what it’s worth I think Zirkzee does have something but is struggling to adapt to the fast nature of the league. But honestly I can see why the opinions at the moment are favourable. He has had some stinkers.

Jayc1860 said:
Most time spent in the ambulance - Shaw/Martinez
Clown of the season - Onana
Most mistakes/errors made - Onana
Time spent with ghetto blaster - Onana
Most visually impaired - Onana
Time spent wondering what happened - Onana
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Just telling it how I see it - I’ve got no problem with opinions on players and can respect it.
 
Haha totally missed I still had that avatar - might just keep it to keep the ETH spirit alive on here!
 
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What a knob. Heh, heh.
 
Jay criticising others for their lack of support is the most laughable thing on the forum yet.

I assumed we all realised he was a Liverpool fan by now.
 
Hurts so much.

You do realise that to be able to hurt someone's feelings who is mentally stable you have to mean something to that person, right?

So all you're really doing is showing everyone again who you really are. A failed forum bully.

Keep attempting to turn people on me, it again just shows who you are. I'll sit back and watch.
 
Tough for him as The Woug is in front of him too right now. That said how come Weghorst plays so well for the Netherlands while he couldn't buy a goal for United?
 
justintime said:
Tough for him as The Woug is in front of him too right now. That said how come Weghorst plays so well for the Netherlands while he couldn't buy a goal for United?
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I don’t think you can read a lot into international football, there are a lot of dross teams out there, whereas the EPL you know you’re getting a decent game most weeks.
 
Well, the talk is Amorim is keen to give the player a fair chance, which is no surprise to me.

The people on his back should be ashamed. A player in a poorly set up team with no understanding of his abilities or want for his services is the worst possible way to judge a player ever.

Have a word.
 
Come on even the Zirkzee fan club have to admit he has had a poor start and needs to up his game.

Of course Amorim will give him a clean slate but if he doesn’t improve he won’t get to many chances.
 
Of course he need to to better, so do all of the team. He's in the same situation as everyone else now, and will get a fair crack. That's all I ever wanted. I'm not saying he's a world beater or that I even approve of him, I just know he hasn't been treated fairly. ETH never wanted him, that has come out now. Ugarte also was never wanted by ETH, but look at his progress. Why can't it be the same as that for Zirkzee?

I'm trying to stay away from ETH stuff, but it's hard as he's responsible for a lot. This included.
 
Has it come out? I haven’t seen anything on it but this summer was apparently the first summer where ETH apparently didn’t have much of a say on anyone. We don’t get to pick and choose he’s either responsible for them all or none of them last summer.

Zirkzee has hardly been sidelined he’s featured on most games at some point but has struggled.

I’d certainly question the logic on buying unproven young attackers from Italy 2 summers in a row but that’s where we are.

We need both of them to start looking the part under the new boss.
 
People blaming ETH for Zhirkzee is laughable. Literally how should ETH stop him from costing us the winner at Brighton?
 
You can't blame ETH for Zirkzee not being very good at the basics

I read the club want to loan him back to Italy in Jan
 
I can't see the point in loaning him back to Italy unless it's to a club who are going to to buy him back in the summer.

If he's struggling to settle that's a different issue.
 
I must admit, the loan back talk was when ETH was still here. But the article said it was the board that wanted him out.

As someone said, you can't believe everything you read. Although we'd have nothing to talk about if we didn't mention it.

Fundamentally, nobody know whats going to happen apart from a few, so most of what we say on here is nonsense. :D
 
Well it's all board decisions now the manager doesn't get much say.
 
Mr C said:
You can't blame ETH for Zirkzee not being very good at the basics

I read the club want to loan him back to Italy in Jan
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Zirkzee has only had 4 starts in the Premier League, and one of those was given to him by Ruud. So when exactly is he supposed to get to know his teammates and sync with the tactics? Oh wait, there were no tactics, really. We all know football is a sport where confidence means everything and Zirkzee has not built up any due to probably feeling isloated and not wanted. How would you feel if you arrived at a new place and the guy in charge didn't really care? Both Zirkzee and Ugarte were feeling the doom cast upon them by an inept coach.

Also, if you think we are going to loan the player out after this short amount of time you're crazy. Amorim is a man with plenty of tactical understanding, he will already know how to utilise Zirkzee in his system, because I know, and if I know, so does he. I think in some games you'll see no dribblers, and two #10's. Bruno and Zirkzee supplying Hojlund. That's what I would try out because as good as Bruno is he doesn't possess the ability to hold up play centrally or take the ball quickly and technically like Zirkzee does. In fact we have no player like Zirkzee and in an Amorim system where play is focused centrally don't be suprised to see him a lot.

Another option would be Amad and Zirkzee behind Hojlund with Bruno in CM with Ugarte. Zirkzee enables Bruno to play anywhere Amorim wants in midfield without losing formational shape. I'm backing him to become a very important player for us. Then again I coulde also be dead wrong and Amorim may just deploy a runner with a creative player/dribbler. Probably Mount - who should actually be good for us now. I think the style of Amorim will enable him to play a lot better - the system just suits adaptable players. Well, if he does play the 3-4-2-1 that is.

Anyways went on a bit, but as far as blame goes I will blame ETH and pretty soon everybody is going to have no option but to admit these players and our club was being ran into the ground by him.
 
That one he hoofed in the stand at the end was horrendous
 
Say what you must about him but there is no denying we looked more threatening when he came on than before
 

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