Jarrad Branthwaite

Jayc1860 said:
You don't know what you're talkling about. There are reasons why he goes to ground which were explained by an Everton fan, but I can't be bothered as you've already decided you don't like him for this without even watching him.
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Just an opinion jsp had. We are all entitled to them.
 
Jayc1860 said:
You don't know what you're talkling about. There are reasons why he goes to ground which were explained by an Everton fan, but I can't be bothered as you've already decided you don't like him for this without even watching him.
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I've been pretty clear I've only watched him a handful of times I save myself the torture of watching Everton for 90 minutes every weekend. Even the Everton fans must be tempted to do something else with their time than watch them. I also assume neither of us have seen him play in the flesh.

It's an opinion from the limited stuff I've seen he looks far from the finished article but he's got all the attributes you'd want to work with in a young centre back but he still needs a lot of moulding.

I just think the sort of numbers being discussed are very high for a player who has not been tested at the European or International level yet. There's a few things from the games I've watched that worry me but they're only my opinion.

You seem way more confident about his ability which is fine.
 
SuperRash said:
Saying you don’t know what you’re talking about is hardly just saying I disagree.
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Well that's all I meant, I assure you.
jsp said:
I've been pretty clear I've only watched him a handful of times I save myself the torture of watching Everton for 90 minutes every weekend. Even the Everton fans must be tempted to do something else with their time than watch them. I also assume neither of us have seen him play in the flesh.

It's an opinion from the limited stuff I've seen he looks far from the finished article but he's got all the attributes you'd want to work with in a young centre back but he still needs a lot of moulding.

I just think the sort of numbers being discussed are very high for a player who has not been tested at the European or International level yet. There's a few things from the games I've watched that worry me but they're only my opinion.

You seem way more confident about his ability which is fine.
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That's all fair. I've got no problem with what you've said here, mostly.

I just think you need to watch him a lot more to be able to have a concrete opinion. Trust me, he is the best up coming CB in the league and you'll see our scouts will agree when we sign him. Or at least try.

He'd be the perfect partner for Martinez, with his height complimenting the mentioned.

The price is not going to get any cheaper and clued up people know this, this is the season to pay what it costs for him and have a CB we can mould into what we want for a lot of years to come.
 
Jayc1860 said:
That's all fair. I've got no problem with what you've said here, mostly.

I just think you need to watch him a lot more to be able to have a concrete opinion. Trust me, he is the best up coming CB in the league and you'll see our scouts will agree when we sign him. Or at least try.

He'd be the perfect partner for Martinez, with his height complimenting the mentioned.

The price is not going to get any cheaper and clued up people know this, this is the season to pay what it costs for him and have a CB we can mould into what we want for a lot of years to come.
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My worry as the partner to Martinez.
Can he play on the ball close to goal under pressure? Not seen enough to be sure but I think he could.
Can he defend on the half way line rather than on his 18 yard box? No real evidence of that but he's very quick so I think he could.
Is he capable of playing on the right side of the centre backs rather than the left? I think that is a complete unknown.

Well we don't really know what the price the reports suggest Utd and Everton are miles apart assuming there is even genuine interest. To me £50m seems about the right number currently given the potential he clearly has but there are reports Everton want as much as £70m.

If he has a dodgy season next season and the Everton takeover collapses his price drops. Also, he's unlikely to sign another contract extension so every 12 months his value drops again.

This is probably the absolute peak of his price I don't see it going up much higher than the reported Everton asking price.

If the scouts have done the homework and he is the right guy then go get him and hopefully he is the right man.
 
He seems to me to be another over hyped young English player. I don't mean that he's rubbish, just people are talking about him about him now as if he is at the level he COULD get to.

If we do sign him, I hope the fans don't expect too much.

I am of the same opinion as JSP, got lots to learn, could be great. In reality, he needs to stay at Everton for another couple of seasons.
 
jsp said:
My worry as the partner to Martinez.
Can he play on the ball close to goal under pressure? Not seen enough to be sure but I think he could.
Can he defend on the half way line rather than on his 18 yard box? No real evidence of that but he's very quick so I think he could.
Is he capable of playing on the right side of the centre backs rather than the left? I think that is a complete unknown.

Well we don't really know what the price the reports suggest Utd and Everton are miles apart assuming there is even genuine interest. To me £50m seems about the right number currently given the potential he clearly has but there are reports Everton want as much as £70m.

If he has a dodgy season next season and the Everton takeover collapses his price drops. Also, he's unlikely to sign another contract extension so every 12 months his value drops again.

This is probably the absolute peak of his price I don't see it going up much higher than the reported Everton asking price.

If the scouts have done the homework and he is the right guy then go get him and hopefully he is the right man.
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Ruud van Nistelrooy. When asked to give his verdict on the centre-back, the former striker gave a glowing review.

"He is a great talent," Van Nistelrooy confessed. "The boy is young, but he has a future. He is good on the ball, can play on the left or the right of centre-back because he is two-footed. He has height and speed, so he is very complete."

Personally I've got no worries about him being able to play under pressure, and for that matter, any way you asked him to.

Also, Everton want as much as £80m. I admit that does make me hesitant, but when you think about how long he could be a player for us, I think I'd pay that. Hopefully we can agree a deal for a lot less, but I don't think it would be a bad investment. I think where you don't want to pay big fees like that is when a player is 26+. You should get your moneys worth if the player is young and has bright future, which I think we all agree on.
 
I like him, he’s still a bit raw but has the makings of a great CB, I think the stumbling block if Utd go for him is the price. Under SJR the days of the club paying over the top to get players is gone in my opinion, time will tell.
 
The times reporting we’ve agreed terms with Branthwaite and are in talks with Everton to finalise a fee.
 
Everton apparently want £70m.

They may get close to it but with a lot of bonuses built into it.

If Utd do go all in for him they need it to come off these big signings need to start paying off.
 
I think he ends up being worth it. Young and plenty of time to develop into something special.

I'd pay up to £75m.

A lot of their fans are very upset about it. They really do not want him to go. It's looking like a matter of time.

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If it happens it will be interesting see how far Jim is pushed on the fee, cant see him caving in to silly fees and £70M is on the very high side.
 
how is he worth 70m? He's done nothing.

Play one season in the prem and suddenly you're worth 70m. Craziness
 
50/60/70m won't make a difference if he's cr*p lets be honest.

If he turns out to be a top defender for the club for the next decade the fee will get forgotten quickly.

Even for £50m he needs to go straight into the team and look the part.
 
that sums it up, nobody knows if he will turn out any good, so 70m seems a huge price tag for that.

Didn't we learn anything from Antony, Sancho etc.

Change the way the club operates surely is the way forward.
 
Agree on the whole, the stupid sums need to become a thing of the past.

Only now and again it'll be worth the gamble. I think this is one of those time.
 
The problem is unless you find players who have release clauses that you can get cheap it's very hard to find quality players especially when you are buying from other premier league clubs.

I agree it's a massively gamble but if the scouts are all in agreement that he's special you probably have to go for it.

For £70m I'd want more than 1 season think Stones did 2 or 3 seasons with Everton before City eventually went for him. They paid £50m for him in 2016 when people still had a lot of doubts about him defensively but he's been a star for them for a decade.
 
I'm not sure Stones was a regular for a long time though was he?

It feels a bit like Grealish with people saying he made a mistake going there.

Not sure we can pay that and have someone sit on the bench for a few seasons
 
Pep definitely polished Stones into a better player its what he`s good at.

(With Grealish being the exception)
 
Mr C said:
I'm not sure Stones was a regular for a long time though was he?

It feels a bit like Grealish with people saying he made a mistake going there.

Not sure we can pay that and have someone sit on the bench for a few seasons
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Stones played nearly 100 games for Everton before his move across 3 seasons.

City he's played 260 games over 8 season so roughly 30 games a season but he's had a lot of injury issues.

He went straight into their first team when he joined alongside Kompany. He lost his place to Laporte for a bit who was another 60m signing but think he eventually got it back. Pep has always had a bit of a revolving cast at centre back they're all quite similar players so they just rotate in and out based on who's fit and in form.

I agree if this lad is coming he's going straight in alongside Martinez next season as the starter to replace Varane.
 
JammyRed said:
Pep definitely polished Stones into a better player its what he`s good at.

(With Grealish being the exception)
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Roll the clock back 12 months and everyone was saying Grealish was now a better player a key player in the run in to the treble. His issues this season are largely fitness related and the competition for starting spots at City is big as you have Foden, Bernardo Silva and Doku fighting for those two wide spots along with Grealish.

Grealish has become a much better team player than he ever was at Villa because at Villa he had to be super man who did everything whereas at City you have to be a cog in the machine.
 
jsp said:
Roll the clock back 12 months and everyone was saying Grealish was now a better player a key player in the run in to the treble. His issues this season are largely fitness related and the competition for starting spots at City is big as you have Foden, Bernardo Silva and Doku fighting for those two wide spots along with Grealish.

Grealish has become a much better team player than he ever was at Villa because at Villa he had to be super man who did everything whereas at City you have to be a cog in the machine.
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Grealish cost £100 million but is falling well short of the price tag, he receives the ball then gives it back most of the time, plus he a diving twat and has cauliflower arse, Doku is a much better player.
 
I think Doku is a much better for Peps system.

Everything Grealish was good as has been coached out of him
 
He was getting pretty pro at running. lol

Our peeps here would love him, they love a shift.
 
My City115 mates are admitting Grealish was a waste of money, through gritted teeth though.
 
JammyRed said:
Grealish cost £100 million but is falling well short of the price tag, he receives the ball then gives it back most of the time, plus he a diving twat and has cauliflower arse, Doku is a much better player.
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Not disputing that and they'll probably try and flog him this summer as he's also on big wages but they can afford these expensive "Pep Projects" whereas we can't. I don't think they ever saw him as a starter but they had the money so decided to give it a go.

I'm not sure on Doku he's very hit and miss but he gives them something different which is the fact he's just direct. I reckon teams worked him out a bit in the second half of the season.

The diving was well drilled into Grealish long before he got to City, he's always been someone who tries to buy free kicks and he's annoyingly good at it. Weirdly he's the one player that I always felt AWB really struggled with one vs one because he never really commits to going past you he always looks for you to make the first move then reacts.

Not going to far into City stuff but there's also that Nunes guy they signed from Wolves for quite a lot of money who never plays, so they don't get it right all the time.
 
Yeah dig a bit and you start seeing some bad signings but win the league every year and no one talks about it.

They also offset it by selling really well and also making sure they're snapping up good players on release clauses or expiring contracts.
 
jsp said:
For £70m I'd want more than 1 season think Stones did 2 or 3 seasons with Everton before City eventually went for him. They paid £50m for him in 2016 when people still had a lot of doubts about him defensively but he's been a star for them for a decade.
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Why are we ignoring the season before last? He made 36 appearances for PSV.

He's one of the best young prospects at CB I've seen. I think you just go and sign him and barring injuries like Phil Jones you've sorted that CB spot for a decade. I very much believe he's going to the top of the game and if we don't get him now someone else will.
 

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