Jadon Sancho | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

By the way, has it actually been confirmed by the club the reason Sancho had a three month break was due to mental health?
 
O-Dog said:
Pathetic. Symptomatic of the way the world is going when anyone faces a difficult challenge they can't face they claim some mental issue. It isn't a mental health issue; it's mental and personal weakness.

The world's going soft as shite.
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lot of gossip, so not factual, that the problem is with Antony getting preferential treatment over Sancho. And to be fair, he's got a point. Antony does seem a waste, similar money, similar performances.

I guess how you go about raising that could be the issue.

But it is a position that needs looking at.

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@jsp mentiond MoTD did a thing about the united defence not passing to Antony. Maybe there is something in that?

Also United have to drop Antony, because they did that to Greenwood, they set the example. There may be more to all of this.
 
Antony has been better than Sancho. The major difference between the two is work rate. Sancho often looks half arsed and his off the ball work is poor, he doesn’t provide the same level of support to the left full back.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
By the way, has it actually been confirmed by the club the reason Sancho had a three month break was due to mental health?
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He was given the time off to deal with physical and mental problems, the mental issue may not be a mental health issue more a confidence issue which is also a mental blocker on performance.

Quotes from Ten Hag in December last season.

"Sometimes there are circumstances with fitness and mood. We got a drop of level and sometimes you don't know why or what is causing it.

"That is what we're doing now to try to get him back there. It's a combination of physical but also mentally."

The word mood suggests to me that he'd lost confidence but we don't really know what was meant and with it being a private thing the club are obviously very limited about what they can say and the press aren't going to make his mental health issues public.

We have seen many players lose confidence at Utd it's pretty clear to me from the outside that it's a very toxic environment at that club at the moment you are expected to deliver top class.
 
I agree, the mood around the club seems really poor. Nobody seems to be enjoying it

It has the stench of manager move on in April and be left with a squad of his players again

To be clear, that's not what I want to happen, that's what recent history tells us.

We need that sale desperately, and some football people brought in
 
To me that starts at the very top with the owners, everyone at that club is uncertain of their future because of a potential takeover and that kind of tension spreads through a work environment. The culture at the club has also become about getting rich and not about winning trophies as that is the focus of the owners and again that feeds down to everyone within a business.

That lack of stability at the top and the constant change of management over the last decade I think has created an environment where it's difficult to succeed. Every new signing is seen as the saviour and that then puts huge pressure on players to succeed almost straight away.

Until the ownership changes the negativity around the club is going to be there and it's going to keep holding the club back it's why these absolute sh*tbags need to just take the offer on the table and go and stop holding out for a ridiculous offer that isn't coming.

I also think this whole Sancho situation has been blown up to be a huge story that it didn't need to be. If Sancho hadn't reacted then I doubt those quotes end up being that significant there were so many talking points in the game that this would have been a nothing story. By biting back it is now headline news.

It seems pretty clear to me he hasn't done enough in training last week to get in the squad the manager clearly feels there were better options for him in this game and he's picked them.
 
oh, the Sancho situation has been blown wy out of proportion. Bit of Naivety from the manager.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Eh, why is the manager to blame?
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I'm not sure he's got used to the impact any comment by the Man Utd makes.

He should have batted the question away with some banal answer and dealt with it all behind closed doors. Unless he wanted the news to keep away from on field performances, in which case he did a good job.
 
Mr C said:
oh, the Sancho situation has been blown wy out of proportion. Bit of Naivety from the manager.
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Couldn't disagree more, it's Sancho that has escalated the situation.

ETH has to be credible in public he was asked why Sancho wasn't selected for the squad and while he can't go into forensic detail he has to give a reason that at least has some truth to it and in my opinion as the manager he has to answer that question.

If he said Sancho was injured then Sancho could respond saying that's a lie I am fit to play which puts ETH in trouble.

If he refuses to answer the question then it becomes a feeding ground for speculation and the reason why he's been left out.

He has said he hasn't picked him because he didn't think he trained well enough last week to make the squad. That is an opinion and a decision that he as manager is allowed to make.

Sancho doesn't need to agree with it but he does need to accept it what he didn't need to do was react so rashly and jump on social media with that post. To me he's not only burned his relationship with his manager but he's also probably turned a lot of fans against him.
 
www.theguardian.com

Manchester United back Erik ten Hag as tensions build with Jadon Sancho

Manchester United are standing by Erik ten Hag’s comments after Jadon Sancho claimed he was being made a ‘scapegoat’ on social media
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Sounds like the club plan to take this dispute out of the public eye and won't be making further comment.

News agenda moves on fast and with it being an international week Sancho has a chance to prove he's worthy of his place in the squad for Brighton with how he conducts himself going forward.
 
Let's pretend EtH is favouring Antony over Sancho(he's not, i've never heard anything so friggin stupid), why is he favouring Garnacho and Pellistri over him for a place on the bench? Is he anti-English? Or is Sancho just a big fecking baby?
 
I'd have him train with the Girls till January then beg the self-pity gang down the wrong end of the East Lancs Road to take him.
 
Also Rashford liked Sanchos post responding to ETH I don't think the players will care too much for the way ETH treated him. If people think it's the right way to go fair enough. But I on a human level completely disagree with them and hope they can gain more empathy in their lives.
 
I don't think it's bullying or hararssment, just bad management. if you've got an employee with mental health issues, probbly not a good idea to slate him in the press.
 
Mental Health is obviously a massive part of life for all of us and those struggling with it shouldn't be mocked and attacked it seems quite clear from the reporting that Sancho is dealing with some issues.

However, the individual also has a responsibility to themselves with their employer in how it impacts their work.

If Sancho can't handle the mental side of being a professional football and it's incredibly intense then he should consider a change in career if the help he's getting (assuming he's getting professional help) isn't able to solve his particular issue.

It seems quite clear from his post that he isn't enjoying football at the moment he mentions playing with a smile but at Utd it needs to be about more than just your enjoyment.

To me ETH has done nothing wrong he hasn't said it was a mental health issue just that he didn't feel Sancho trained well enough last week to pick him. Sancho may think he trained fine but what he considers "fine" may not be the same standard as ETH.

As for other players liking his post I wouldn't read to much into it they might be trying to show a bit of support to their mate rather than go against the manager. Sancho is apparently a very popular person in the dressing room.
 
If I'm Sancho, I'm not going to say something on Twitter like that, if it's false, when 26 odd team mates would know I'm b's'ing

Something is going on behind the scenes

And I don't care if ETH thinks he's right, he was wrong to say it. Didn't need to. We don't need to know this stuff. SAF would never have done that.

Just more uneccessary noise around the club, Sale, Sancho, Greenwood, Antony etc.
 
Mr C said:
@jsp mentiond MoTD did a thing about the united defence not passing to Antony. Maybe there is something in that?
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So the current bun (groan) have picke dup on this

SHOCKING footage showed Manchester United’s game plan against Arsenal falling apart because nobody was willing to pass to controversial winger Antony.

Maybe Sancho has a point it wouldn't be the first time our board has stepped in and told the manager to play certain players.
 
Mr C said:
If I'm Sancho, I'm not going to say something on Twitter like that, if it's false, when 26 odd team mates would know I'm b's'ing

Something is going on behind the scenes

And I don't care if ETH thinks he's right, he was wrong to say it. Didn't need to. We don't need to know this stuff. SAF would never have done that.

Just more uneccessary noise around the club, Sale, Sancho, Greenwood, Antony etc.
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What and said no comment, once he'd said McTom was not well he had to say something about Sancho, if he said he was ill or had a slight niggle Sancho would have even more ammo because that would obviously have been a lie ....
 
I genuinely don't know which is worse, Sancho acting like a big baby, or fans defending Sancho over the Manager.
 
ffs, I'm not defending Sancho. just pointing out the manager needs to be a bit more savvy now he is manager of Man Utd
 
Mr C said:
ffs, I'm not defending Sancho. just pointing out the manager needs to be a bit more savvy now he is manager of Man Utd
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Calm down Dear, I was generalising, it wasn't aimed at YOU, hence the separate post.
 
Mr C said:
If I'm Sancho, I'm not going to say something on Twitter like that, if it's false, when 26 odd team mates would know I'm b's'ing

Something is going on behind the scenes

And I don't care if ETH thinks he's right, he was wrong to say it. Didn't need to. We don't need to know this stuff. SAF would never have done that.

Just more uneccessary noise around the club, Sale, Sancho, Greenwood, Antony etc.
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Put yourself in ETH's shoes? You get asked that question post game. What would you say?

Obviously assume you have to answer the question as no answer will only lead to speculation.

To me this all depends no how Sancho reacts to it now he needs to be showing the manager on the training ground that he has to be picked for squads and then show on the pitch that he deserves to be there.

It didn't need a reaction from the player, by doing what he's done he's made a small problem into a massive one. ETH might have started the fire but Sancho has poured petrol on it.
 
Well if ETH isn't strictly correct, which is probable as per my post above. Then he has every right to defend himself.

I dont know what what he was asked, maybe it was why didn't Sancho make the squad. Just say I picked a squad that I thought was best to face Arsenal.
 
Mr C said:
Well if ETH isn't strictly correct, which is probable as per my post above. Then he has every right to defend himself.

I dont know what what he was asked, maybe it was why didn't Sancho make the squad. Just say I picked a squad that I thought was best to face Arsenal.
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He was asked why Sancho wasn't selected and this was his response

"Jadon, on his performances in training we did not select him.

"You have to reach a level every day at Manchester United and we can make choices in the front line. So for this game he was not selected."

What in that isn't strictly correct? The second statement about the level required is something that is subjective to him if he feels that Sancho didn't do enough in training to be selected ahead of other players then it's his job to make that decision.

Sancho in his post claims he's been made a scapegoat and there are other reasons which he won't go into. Now if he's not willing to make those reasons public I'm inclined to say he's the one who's not telling the truth.

Maybe I'm being silly but in my opinion had Sancho kept quiet and not responded those comments don't even make the headlines. It was a needless escalation that could have been dealt with in private not in public.

Ten Hag is a canny operator maybe he wanted to see how the player reacted and the reaction he got probably told him everything he needed to know about him. He'd rather cry on social media than confront the manager in person. I suspect ETH would have a lot more respect for him if he had Sancho knocking on his door at the training ground the next day raging at him.
 
he wanted to distract from the awful start to the season is my guess. And that worked
 
Slagging off the refs for rubbish VAR decisions was the deflection tactic there.

The Sancho stuff was never going to make the headlines if he didn't respond, it was a nothing part of the story.

His comment wasn't about him dropping a starting player which might be headline news if it was say Bruno or Rashford it was a side piece about him not selecting a player who's done f*ck all this season for the bench. Sancho not making the bench was not really a shock.
 
jsp said:
Ten Hag is a canny operator maybe he wanted to see how the player reacted and the reaction he got probably told him everything he needed to know about him. He'd rather cry on social media than confront the manager in person. I suspect ETH would have a lot more respect for him if he had Sancho knocking on his door at the training ground the next day raging at him.
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I don't think that's why he said what he said, but he will have known how he'd react, like a friggin coward. EtH will have had his number along time before he sent him on his midseason jollies to Holland last season.
 
Justin Cider said:
I don't think that's why he said what he said, but he will have known how he'd react, like a friggin coward. EtH will have had his number along time before he sent him on his midseason jollies to Holland last season.
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I don’t either was just offering up another potential reason.

I don’t think it was done for malicious reasons he was asked a fair question and gave a fair response if Sancho wants to be in the squad he needs to do more to impress the manager in training.
 

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