Jadon Sancho | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

Sideshow Bob said:
Give over, it ain’t pathetic, Ten Hag and the club has given a lot of support to Sancho. I can guarantee Old Trafford will back the manager over Sancho. Lots of fans have had enough of Sancho and wanted him gone in the summer.
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Any fan that wants to back a bully over a player the same bully came out and told us has mental health issues when it was his issue to disclose wants to have a good look at themselves.

Sad times indeed.

Was no need for what ETH said. He had 10 players on that pitch he could have targeted. It was pathetic. And any grown person should realise that. Humans come before football. Shocked you don't realise that.

Pathetic is the right choice of words for ETH behaviour and anyone that backs it. Absolutely no damn way Fergie, Pep or any other manager with a bit of class behaves like that. You know who would though. Jose. And you criticised him for it.
 
Looking for Eric said:
I think he’s fed up I also don’t understand Martínez going off or lindelof surely they had anti sickness tablets and he could have seen out the last ten, the attitude worries me there’s be too much of this at the club bit of pressure and players fold, happened under mourinho, solskjaer it has to be challenged
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At the moment the man folding is on the touchline.
 
Should be fined a months wages as soon as he gets into training today for basically calling the Manager a liar, then sold to any club daft enough to take him asap, if not before.

It'll be a lot smaller group than normal with all the International lads away to represent their Countries and those who played yesterday that haven't received call ups given the day off, or doing a 30 minute warm-down then going home, and methinks there maybe one or two of the younger lads getting wired into Sancho hoping to make an impression on that big bad bald bully boy from the Netherlands.
 
£2.50 on Julian Nagelsmann to be the new Manchester United Manager by the time the players report back from International duty.
 
I think regardless of what's happened, the manager is wrong to say that. We don't need to know
 
Performance in training is surely a subjective thing Sancho might think he's doing enough in training but the manager clearly thinks otherwise.

Something has clearly happened this week that the manager isn't happy about to the point where he's left him at home for a huge game.

I haven't seen the interview but I assume he was responding to a question about Sancho's absence rather than bringing it up himself.

This ends one way as it did with Ronaldo a messy few months then he probably leaves in January if someone else is willing to take him... going to be a very short list of clubs unless he's willing to slash his wages.

At the end of the day he's been here 2 years a huge transfer fee and wage and very little return on the pitch if he has got mental health issues then he needs to take himself away from the game as it's a ruthless industry that will not be forgiving or understanding of these issues.
 
Don't see how anybody can say the Manager was in the wrong here, he's in the post match presser, still seething about the major decisions(rightly so)going against United, and then in cross-examination mode a hack asks him he's about Scott and Jadon, and he calmly answers the question.

No doubt the hacks will have been high-fiving and hugging each other leaving the room though. "We've got our story girls, fill yer boots"
 
Just say I picked the squad to match the opponant. Move on.

It's more unneccesary press. But does put attention away from the game which I suppose could have been his game.

It's bad management whatever.
 
Think you've also got to factor in the manager isn't speaking in his first language, his English is very good but there's a chance that what he's said was lost in translation.

He probably could have covered for Sancho a bit if he wanted but felt to me like he's sick of doing that and decided now's the time to fire a rocket up him and see what happens.

Sancho now has two weeks to prove he's ready for selection in the squad for Brighton and if he gets on the pitch he needs to go and show why he deserves to be picked.
 
ETH didn’t go in that presser to comment on Sancho’s lack of a good week in training, he was responding to a question. He could have dodged it and said no comment but that probably would have caused even more furore.

He could have also said he wasn’t fit but that would have been a lie and Sancho probably would have released a statement as well calling him a liar. In any scenario I don’t think ETH would have been the good guy.

Sancho’s statement was a little naive. Surely he knows that qualifies in training are purely subjective. He could have thought he was great but the manager didn’t.

Also not sure why Sancho’s mental health and bullying are even coming into it. I suffer with mental health issues on the daily but I would never want someone to treat me differently because of it and mollycoddle me. ETH answered a question and to be honest he wasn’t nasty about it either. Blown well out of proportion.
 
of course mental health comes into it, the manager mentioned it last season. You don't dig out a player in the press like that, especially if that player thinks there is another motive and has mental health problems. They should sit down and discuss.

The manager has handled it badly, whether Sancho trained badly or not.

There are many ways to dodge questions, and if he isn't capable he needs to do some media training, this isn't Ajax, it's man utd and the slightest thing is blown out of all proportion andis on the back page for days.

We now have lost another player, because no way can Sancho play again.
 
I think he’ll play again. Even if he doesn’t want to he has to - if he’s angling for a move away he needs to show something on the pitch to get a move.

They will kiss and make up and all will be good.

I think we can all agree that there was mistakes by both parties.
 
What can the manager do about it when he's asked about it? He can lie or he can tell the truth and his version of the truth is Sancho didn't perform well enough in training last week to make the squad even with our lack of numbers. He's picked Pellistri ahead of him.

The manager gave him 3 months off last season to help him with whatever his problems are with physical fitness or mental health.

If his condition is stopping him from doing his job properly then he should be taking himself out of work to get the help that he needs to deal with whatever the issue is. Especially if work is a contributing factor to his particular problem.

I think snapping back in public the way he did was silly rather than a footnote in the report of yesterday's game it is now the headline story.

Obviously he's entitled to keep private whatever it is that is going on but his statement didn't clarify anything just left more room for speculation.

"other reasons that I won't go into" if you are going to speak out and respond you should give the reason you feel you were left out.
 
SuperRash said:
I think he’ll play again. Even if he doesn’t want to he has to - if he’s angling for a move away he needs to show something on the pitch to get a move.

They will kiss and make up and all will be good.

I think we can all agree that there was mistakes by both parties.
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What exactly has EtH done wrong?
 
The fact Sancho's second paragraph says he will continue to fight for the badge suggests he thinks he will outlast the Manger at United, well I bloody hope he doesn't ....
 
Justin Cider said:
What exactly has EtH done wrong?
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Perhaps he needed to word his response differently or dodge the question but like I said above that probably would have caused another question mark.

I don’t think what he said was 100% wrong but not too clever when the press/social media jump on anything and blow it out of proportion.
 
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SuperRash said:
Perhaps he needed to word his response differently or dodge the question but like I said above that probably would have caused another question mark.

I don’t think what he said was 100% wrong but not too clever when the press/social media jump on anything and blow it out of proportion.
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You only get one shot at this gig and so far he's found honesty works, last year he said Rashford wasn't in the team because he turned up a minute late for training "he knows the rules hey", and the same with Garnacho, EtH said word for word what he said yesterday about Sancho but the two lads buckled down and forced their way back in the team on their effort at Carrington. Sancho took the easy option and went crying to the press,
 
Only his PR team can save his United career now, and if his statement yesterday was with their blessing yesterday he's done for.
 
Sancho was also the scapegoat at Dortmund.

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Sideshow Bob said:
Sancho was also the scapegoat at Dortmund.

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Unless he's thick as pig sh*t he must've known somebody would dredge that or similar articles up today and he would lose any sympathy he was getting from yesterday.
 
I think it's irrelvant what actually happened.

The problem is, everyone is discussing it, he handled badly

We all knew Sancho was in last chance saloon.

all we've done is isolate a player and reduce any fee we might have got for him.

Sancho can't play again unless he apologises or ETH backs down. I don't see either happening.

I mean we've been scraping about the loan bins, and we've just dropped any asking price of an asset when clearly we need money.

This club seems in disarray in every way at the moment.

For me, it's not about Sancho, and what he's done, it's about managing the situation properly.
 
"Jadon, on his performances in training we did not select him.

"You have to reach a level every day at Manchester United and we can make choices in the front line. So for this game he was not selected."

These are the actual quotes from ETH.

Basically he's said from his performance in training last week he hasn't picked him.

As for this impacting his transfer value the only thing impacting his transfer value is his performances on the pitch and his wages. £350k a week means no club is touching him unless he's willing to take a massive pay cut.
 
jsp said:
As for this impacting his transfer value the only thing impacting his transfer value is his performances on the pitch and his wages. £350k a week means no club is touching him unless he's willing to take a massive pay cut
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Is this to egg me on to rant about the Glazers and the board, past and present :p

By the way, I don't agree with that, as soon as the club instigate a situation like this, everyone knows he's available and consequently at a lower price.

Saudi 40m is my bet
 
Mr C said:
Is this to egg me on to rant about the Glazers and the board, past and present :p

By the way, I don't agree with that, as soon as the club instigate a situation like this, everyone knows he's available and consequently at a lower price.

Saudi 40m is my bet
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It's just the reality of the situation ignoring Saudi there's less than 10 clubs in world football that could even think about paying that sort of salary. Of those 10 I don't think any would want Sancho especially when you factor in Utd needing a £40m + transfer fee to cover what they still owe on FFP.

Even if he was available for £20m clubs aren't going to try and buy him unless he agrees to a huge reduction in wages which is very unlikely as very few players will do it.

He's under contract until 2026 so we're pretty much stuck with him unless he fancies a move to Saudi and they're willing to bring him in.
 
I'd give him a free transfer, get him out of the club he just ain't worth the effort. And worry about the financial hit later.
 
IDFD said:
Any fan that wants to back a bully over a player the same bully came out and told us has mental health issues when it was his issue to disclose wants to have a good look at themselves.

Sad times indeed.

Was no need for what ETH said. He had 10 players on that pitch he could have targeted. It was pathetic. And any grown person should realise that. Humans come before football. Shocked you don't realise that.

Pathetic is the right choice of words for ETH behaviour and anyone that backs it. Absolutely no damn way Fergie, Pep or any other manager with a bit of class behaves like that. You know who would though. Jose. And you criticised him for it.
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Pathetic. Symptomatic of the way the world is going when anyone faces a difficult challenge they can't face they claim some mental issue. It isn't a mental health issue; it's mental and personal weakness.

The world's going soft as shite.

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The club and ETH have bent over backwards to support Sancho. He hasn't delivered and can't stand being found out.


Can't believe people are turning on the manager so soon.
 
O-Dog said:
Pathetic. Symptomatic of the way the world is going when anyone faces a difficult challenge they can't face they claim some mental issue. It isn't a mental health issue; it's mental and personal weakness.

The world's going soft as shite.

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The club and ETH have bent over backwards to support Sancho. He hasn't delivered and can't stand being found out.


Can't believe people are turning on the manager so soon.
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Absolute rubbish from you by the way.

The manager has singled out a player that wasn't in the pitch to deflect from a poor performance. We've seen one manager do this before and everyone on here agreed it was pure rubbish.

If you want to get on to the mental health thing then yes it's fantastic that we are more open about mental health issues. Soft is a laughable word from a man that should know better but is older and fails to realise men not being open is the reason men are told to be men and kill themselves at a rate 4 times that of women.

Do you know the biggest killer to 20-45 year old men? It's suicide. Far more dangerous than cancer. And you want to just play it have as soft. Because you're ignorant. And a part to blame. (Your attitude is symptomatic of the biggest problem I'm fighting at the moment to keep men alive. You are a danger to others with that mentality. I hope you take a good look in the mirror. You're a discrace)

Thankfully I don't have to surround myself with people like you. Unfortunately some other poor souls do.

I'd be happy to sit down with you on a teams chat and explain why you're so wrong though as it genuinely worries me older people are this uneducated/naive about society and why men kill themselves and why their attitude is an issue.

Or maybe I'm wrong and you agree with the current male suicide rate from those aged 20-45 and don't think it's an issue.
 
IDFD said:
Absolute rubbish from you by the way.

The manager has singled out a player that wasn't in the pitch to deflect from a poor performance. We've seen one manager do this before and everyone on here agreed it was pure rubbish.

If you want to get on to the mental health thing then yes it's fantastic that we are more open about mental health issues. Soft is a laughable word from a man that should know better and the reason men are told to be men and kill themselves at a rate 4 times that of women.
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Oh feck off with all that bullshite.

ETH gave him as much space as can be expected.

I know what mental illness looks like, feels like and seen first hand what it does.

Sancho doesn't need electro shock therapy, he doesn't need meds, he doesn't need psychological therapy, he needs to realise he has to work harder to justify his enormous salary. Seems he doesn't like being called out.

And yes, the numbers of male suicides are alarming; but it won't be improved by sucking up to the fragile.
 
O-Dog said:
Oh feck off with all that bullshite.

ETH gave him as much space as can be expected.

I know what mental illness looks like, feels like and seen first hand what it does.

Sancho doesn't need electro shock therapy, he doesn't need meds, he doesn't need psychological therapy, he needs to realise he has to work harder to justify his enormous salary. Seems he doesn't like being called out.

And yes, the numbers of male suicides are alarming; but it won't be improved by sucking up to the fragile.
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Out of interest how do you know what Sancho needs?

We were told last season he suffers with mental health issues.

And yes male suicide will be helped a lot by not having idiots make statements like you did. Our generation are trying to improve on the mistakes your generation made.

Look up Andy's Man Club. Do you and those around you a favour and realise how good talking and allowing yourself to be vulnerable (soft yo you) is and stop mentioning nonsense like Electro Therapy. That's nothing to do with the suicide rate and doesn't treat depression. And yes you are coming across at the typical antiquated old fella that doesn't get it that's an issue in society. You know what's best for this guy in his twenties even though you have zero was of relating to him. Just needs to man up and get his head right?
 
IDFD said:
Out of interest how do you know what Sancho needs?

We were told last season he suffers with mental health issues.

And yes male suicide will be helped a lot by not having idiots make statements like you did. Our generation are trying to improve on the mistakes your generation made.

Look up Andy's Man Club. Do you and those around you a favour and realise how good talking and allowing yourself to be vulnerable (soft yo you) is and stop mentioning nonsense like Electro Therapy. That's nothing to do with the suicide rate and doesn't treat depression. And yes you are coming across at the typical antiquated old fella that doesn't get it that's an issue in society. You know what's best for this guy in his twenties even though you have zero was of relating to him. Just needs to man up and get his head right?
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How do you know what Sancho needs? Maybe ETH was using that phasing to cover the fact he felt Sancho didn't invest enough lnto his career. Who knows?
 

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