How long do we give Solskjaer?

Macariman

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We can all say we used to do something. Whether it's credible or not is another matter, and using the football knowledge you display on this board, I'd say you've never been to a match, let alone played.

I suggest we go back to ignoring/blocking each other.
Didn't mean to scare you, but yes, I agree, let's have no more dialogue
 

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Fergie cared about winning he was never a man for the art of the game and all that stuff for him winning came first and it was achieved by any means necessary so if it meant kicking lumps out of Arsenal. I don't think you can say he had pinned idea of how the game had to be played that he'd never deviate from like some modern managers do he moved with the times.

He understood the game but he always had guys with fresh ideas coming in around him to help him stay modern as the game does evolve had he stayed on beyond 2013 my guess is he'd have been looking for an assistant who was up to date with the pressing game that's evolved from the German coaches.

One thing that is quite clear from Ole's football so far is he doesn't really want to be one of these high pressing teams he's never asked his forwards to press the opponent and pin them in their own half that way if anything he wants to encourage his opponents team to come out and play to create space for his attacking players.
 

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Yeah Fergie never played Carrick and Hargreaves together. Or Carrick and Fletcher. Never used Park in a containing role. It's like you only remember him from the 90's and have completely forgot he moved to a 4-3-3 and then 4-2-3-1. Even Scholes finished his career as a deeper lying midfielder than Fred and McT have as starting points.
Hargreaves? His legend will carry on forever.
When he had Robson, if u remember him, and Scholes playing in that position, I'm pushed to find anyone from memory who played that position better. Both surpassed McT and Fred securing that position individually
 

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If Ole could put a pairing from the past into his midfield I wonder who he'd pick?

For me in the Fergie era there were 3 stand out midfield partnerships.

Keane and Ince
Keane and Scholes
Scholes and Carrick
 

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Hargreaves? His legend will carry on forever.
When he had Robson, if u remember him, and Scholes playing in that position, I'm pushed to find anyone from memory who played that position better. Both surpassed McT and Fred securing that position individually

That's my point above though, If we had a prime Hargreaves in midfield we wouldn't be playing 2 holding midfielders Hargreaves would be playing behind Pogba and Bruno.
 

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Counter attacking under Fergie?
Not sure u are aware of his philosophy since he took his 1st managerial position with East Stirling. Attack is the best form of !
I hate to break it to you bud but the Fergie era was built on pace and counter attacking. But of course they couldn't just rely on that. But it was heavy counter attacking.
 

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If Ole could put a pairing from the past into his midfield I wonder who he'd pick?

For me in the Fergie era there were 3 stand out midfield partnerships.

Keane and Ince
Keane and Scholes
Scholes and Carrick

Keane and Scholes for me all day long. But I think Keane was more attacking than most managers like their holding midfielder to be now days.
 

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Fergie cared about winning he was never a man for the art of the game and all that stuff for him winning came first and it was achieved by any means necessary so if it meant kicking lumps out of Arsenal. I don't think you can say he had pinned idea of how the game had to be played that he'd never deviate from like some modern managers do he moved with the times.

He understood the game but he always had guys with fresh ideas coming in around him to help him stay modern as the game does evolve had he stayed on beyond 2013 my guess is he'd have been looking for an assistant who was up to date with the pressing game that's evolved from the German coaches.

One thing that is quite clear from Ole's football so far is he doesn't really want to be one of these high pressing teams he's never asked his forwards to press the opponent and pin them in their own half that way if anything he wants to encourage his opponents team to come out and play to create space for his attacking players.
Agree on just about all of that. Check Fergie's early managerial career in Scotland. He was almost barred from participating in football, in any shape or form, coz he indulged in tactics, off the field, that weren't conducive to rules and ethics. But that was his philosophy, win no matter what it takes.
Again, I totally agree with your perception of Oleball. That's why I disagree with the MUFC style and practice of continuing in this fashion, believing it will take us back to the upper echelons where we belong.
 

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Keane and Scholes for me all day long. But I think Keane was more attacking than most managers like their holding midfielder to be now days.

I don't think you could say in that partnership that one held and one went forward they worked in tandem which is how you need this system to work. So if Keane made a burst forward which he did plenty of in the 90's before injuries caught up to him.

Think any of those 3 pairs in their prime would be unreal in this team obvious all of them (apart from Carrick) would need to tone down the aggression but any of those 4 would make one hell of a partnership in midfield.

I think that's why he likes the McFred pair not because they are all rounders rather than specialists it's why I just don't see him ever trustring Pogba or VDB in there as neither are good enough without the ball.
 

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If Ole could put a pairing from the past into his midfield I wonder who he'd pick?

For me in the Fergie era there were 3 stand out midfield partnerships.

Keane and Ince
Keane and Scholes
Scholes and Carrick
No Bryan Robson? The longest serving MUFC captain ever? Voted the most important MUFC player ever in 1991?
Surprising
 

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That's my point above though, If we had a prime Hargreaves in midfield we wouldn't be playing 2 holding midfielders Hargreaves would be playing behind Pogba and Bruno.
That's not exactly what I meant. If we had Hargreaves playing in that position, I'd be very concerned
 

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No Bryan Robson? The longest serving MUFC captain ever? Voted the most important MUFC player ever in 1991?
Surprising

I did say the Fergie era.

I know Robson was a part of that but it captured the back end of Robson's career when I think of Robson I think more of Ron Atkinson by the time Fergie had realy established his side Robson was a sub.

I'm a similar age to @IDFD so Robson's really pre dates me but he'd obviously be a hell of a addition to any side in his prime, imagine how good he'd be if he wasn't on the booze.
 

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Ole is defo under pressure now, and probably rightly so reading up on that game.
 

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No he isn't. We are 5 games in to the season fcol.

He's under pressure to be involved in a title race. Not for his job 5 games in.
 

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3 defeats in 8 games is not a great start to the season having not really faced any top class opponent.

He’s always under pressure that comes with the job 2 defeats at home to mid table sides in a week isn’t going to be accepted and in both games we were poor by all accounts. Two teams who haven’t won at our ground in over a decade.

It’s not 5 games it’s his 3rd season in charge he obviously isn’t going to be sacked but he needs two good results in the next two games to get us back on track.

It seems there’s still absolutely no plan on how we attack as a team just relying on individual brilliance all the time these tactics won’t work in the long run he has to get them into a system that creates problems for teams like Villa.
 

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I have no idea whether he is under pressure for his job or not but he is certainly under pressure. Today was absolutely awful and some of the criticisms of Ole do stand up. I knew when we did not get a CM we were going to have a problem this season. I do not know if that was down to Ole or the powers that be.
 

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He has to go - a couple of good results papered over the cracks again but we lost to Young Boys, then West Ham in a cup (they played a B team as much as we did) and now this. Can't see us getting a good result in midweek. Sorry but Ole wasn't good enough for Cardiff - what more needs to be said?
 

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No he isn't. We are 5 games in to the season fcol.

He's under pressure to be involved in a title race. Not for his job 5 games in.
I'm not talking about the loss, more the performances, and not just games we've lost.
 

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Let’s call a spade a spade, we’ve been well under par so far this season. Leeds we were very good. Southampton we probably should have won. We were very lucky to win against Wolves, West Ham we were meh and lucky to get a win with the penalty miss. The result against Newcastle was better than the performance. Then today we were dreadful.

The silver lining is that we are still in a good position in the league. But the performances have to improve or quite rightly Ole will be under pressure. Which is quite right as well, he is at one of the biggest clubs in the world where expectation is now high because of the investment and personal we have brought in.
 

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The problem with this discussion is that it ends up being very polemic. Either you're 100% Ole Out, or 100% Ole In, and never the twain shall meet. Is Ole under pressure for his job? I'd surely hope not, because that's ridiculous, 5 games into a season. Is Ole under pressure to fix the recent run of poor performances/results? Absolutely, because they've not been good enough.

As somebody who's been staunchly in support of the manager, I find myself losing patience with results like this much quicker, and being more critical of his role in them. Perhaps that's because we've strengthened in the market this summer, and though we're still woefully short in midfield, we should not be losing to Villa at home, never mind being battered in the process. If Ole is the right man to build on the excellent work done so far, this seems like a watershed moment. Performances have been listless lately, and he needs to turn it around quickly. Even the best managers go through a fallow patch, it's their response to that period that makes them great. Ole has to do the same.
 

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I have no idea whether he is under pressure for his job or not but he is certainly under pressure. Today was absolutely awful and some of the criticisms of Ole do stand up. I knew when we did not get a CM we were going to have a problem this season. I do not know if that was down to Ole or the powers that be.

He got a new contract in the summer so he won’t be going anywhere during the season unless things go really wrong. It would need to get like it was under Mourinho and it wouldn’t take much for that to happen.

He needs to whip these lads into shape quickly as so far I think they’ve looked a very stodgy side but it wouldn’t take a lot to get them going. There’s a big run of tricky games coming now in the league and champions league that will make or break the season. Come through that run well and we should be exactly where we want to be fighting at the top fail and it’ll be like last season just drifting along.
 

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Those big games will be key. If we do really well in them these games will be forgotten about. A really bad run and he is in trouble.
 

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I do think we are at the point where we don’t just need results we also need to start seeing convincing performances that go with them.
 

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Just because he’s ‘one of us’ doesn’t absolve him of blame. I’m definitely one of the Ole in supporters because of what he has done for the club. But now he’s got his players in place and has had plenty of time to impose his ideas, then now is the acid test of where he is as a manager.

I still think he lacks coaching experience around him and when you’re relatively inexperienced in top level terms yourself you do need that think tank around you.

I do think where we are will be a lot more apparent in a couple of months. We have Everton I believe at home next then a big few weeks playing some of the big sides. This is a make or break season for him in lots of ways. Fail to deliver this season and it could well be curtains. We’ve been waiting for success ever since Fergie left and we cannot wait much longer.
 

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Allways have supported Ole but this is crunch time for him
Lack of cohesion lack of good subs and lack of a general game plan is a worrying thing to see,somethings i hope he would have progressed in this season.
Still say give him the season but can see the board getting twitchy if we start freefalling down the league.
Team is there to win things now and there cant be anymore excuses
 

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I wouldn't want to say ole out and to a degree he hasn't really done anything to be sacked over. He has done lots of good things for this club including getting them stable again after Jose. He shouldn't be sacked at the moment but ultimately I think he will be. I don't think he will take us to the next level.
 

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Klopp drew with Brentford.
Tuchel and his unstoppable Chelsea lost today too.

For me it's always been: who do we replace Ole with?
There are a lot of "Ole out" posts online but the names I've seen suggested are Conte and Zidane. I don't think either would work here. I think Conte would root out some of the mediocrity but even he isn't going to turn McFred into Xavi and Iniesta. There's only so much that duo can bring. I like Zidane a lot but he had an insane team with peak Ronaldo.
The last 3 managers we had were wrong for United, and two of them were proven winners. I don't want to make another deal with the devil like we did with Mourinho. Who out there has the tactical nous as well as wanting to play attacking wingers and youth?
 

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I agree there is no stand out candidate to replace Ole. Of course his job should not be on the line yet, but performances must improve.
 

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The obvious replacement would be Conte not an easy man to work with but he’s won titles at 3 different clubs you can’t doubt his ability as a manager but could he work within a club like Utd.
 

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I was there today as always and it was absolutely woeful playing two defensive midfielders against Villa FFS. Lots of people want Ole out but that aint the way forward at this point. Its a rebuild and don't forget where we were a few seasons ago. Joses rubbish signings is not Oles fault ( Fred and Lindelhof to name two) and he is still contending with that. Get two decent Midfielders in then see how we go
 

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