Harry Maguire | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

jsp said:
He has had a growth spurt he’s now 5’9” so get him in the team.

He’s better in the air than a lot of our lads who are over 6 foot.

I think it’s more likely that the new manager is going to want 2 centre backs that can push high and are happy to use their speed to recover on a ball that’s played in behind them.
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He's not all that quick either, he'll be out the door within a year of EtH leaving. Taking bets.

Anyho it's the aren't we friggin lucky Maguire wanted to stay around thread.
 
Maguire is not a very good CB and needs selling, he is one of the few players we could get money for
 
I would be getting rid of Varane and Lindelof before I thought about getting rid of Maguire. Just because he had that dip in the form doesn’t mean he isn’t a very good centre back.

Also the way he came back from all the deplorable attitudes/comments towards him in the bad times shows what kind of character he is. And boy do we need some players in this squad with some character and leadership.
 
He isn't a very good CB, because he isn't a very good CB nothing to do with his dip, I see on here on here people praising him, when in truth he's doing well for him.

All the CB need replacing,

Maguire would be money in.

If it was me, the one I would keep is varane, because he is by far the best. But he would need to accept a huge drop in wages. And be ok with being back up to whoever we brought in.
 
Maguire stays fitter than all the others which is a plus, as for selling like a lot of United players his wages are a stumbling block he wont get this money anywhere else so he wont budge until he`s pushed.
 
jsp said:
Would you give him a new contract this summer?

Current deal expires next summer, some reports suggest the club have a 1 year option to extend it.
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On performances this year I guess you would because he’s been decent. But I don’t think he’s good enough to be a starter in a team with the ambitions United have. And I think he has sale value so it’s a tricky one.
 
I think you have to be fair and say he's played very well this season often in difficult circumstances the partner alongside him is constantly changing not just game to game but also in games.
 
Maguire gets a serious disservice by a portion of fans, he wouldn’t be where he has been in his career without being a very accomplished centre back.

He can have his brain fart moments like any centre back but when he is on form he’s as solid as a rock. He of course has leadership skills as well which is what we really lack in this group of players.
 
SuperRash said:
Maguire gets a serious disservice by a portion of fans, he wouldn’t be where he has been in his career without being a very accomplished centre back.

He can have his brain fart moments like any centre back but when he is on form he’s as solid as a rock. He of course has leadership skills as well which is what we really lack in this group of players.
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I think this is part of the problem with Maguire though. He’s decent, he’s solid but he’s not top class and he’s not good enough if United want to get back to near the top. And so what do you do with him?
 
RichH2016 said:
I think this is part of the problem with Maguire though. He’s decent, he’s solid but he’s not top class and he’s not good enough if United want to get back to near the top. And so what do you do with him?
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Is he not good enough to be playing in a title chasing team or at least someone consistently finishing in the top four? I don’t see a hell of a lot of difference between him and some Arsenal, Liverpool, City etc centre backs.

I think with him and our defenders as a collective get brutally exposed by our openness in the midfield area.

There is a hell of a lot more to fix and sort out before selling Maguire gets to the top of my to do list. I think he will still be here next season and beyond.
 
SuperRash said:
Is he not good enough to be playing in a title chasing team or at least someone consistently finishing in the top four? I don’t see a hell of a lot of difference between him and some Arsenal, Liverpool, City etc centre backs.
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Comes down to opinion I guess. I’ve said all along I don’t think he’s good enough for a top team. I really don’t see a top CB.
 
If Maguire had a Martin Buchan, Paul McGrath, Gary Pallister or Rio Ferdinand playing alongside him he'd be a fans favourite. True story.
 
Maguire’s lack of mobility and pace is an issue from a tactical point of view. He will drop deeper compared to quicker centre backs which can create bigger gaps between defence and midfield. Quicker centre backs can defend higher lines and therefore closer to midfield making the team more compact.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Maguire’s lack of mobility and pace is an issue from a tactical point of view. He will drop deeper compared to quicker centre backs which can create bigger gaps between defence and midfield. Quicker centre backs can defend higher lines and therefore closer to midfield making the team more compact.
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Ah that old chestnut
 
We aren't talking about replacing him with a chump though we'd expect Utd to go out and buy a top defender who can do the things Maguire does well but also be able to do the things he struggles with.
 
jsp said:
We aren't talking about replacing him with a chump though we'd expect Utd to go out and buy a top defender who can do the things Maguire does well but also be able to do the things he struggles with.
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What you mean like the Guardian crossword?
 
Justin Cider said:
What you mean like the Guardian crossword?
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I wouldn't judge a footballer by his ability to do the crossword.

Rooney probably wouldn't even know what a crossword was but can a nerd smash a volley in the top corner from 30 yards?

It's pointless trying to talk to you sometimes even the most rose tinted fan has to admit there's some weaknesses in Maguire's game and speed on the turn is one of them. He's vulnerable to it so he protects himself from being caught out by it but that can create problems for the teams shape.

One thing all the centre backs at the teams above us in the league seem to have now is speed on the turn. They're all brave enough to defend high then sprint back with strikers if they can break the offside traps. Maguire doesn't have that luxury he knows if it becomes a race he's going to lose so he gives himself the head start.
 
jsp said:
I wouldn't judge a footballer by his ability to do the crossword.

Rooney probably wouldn't even know what a crossword was but can a nerd smash a volley in the top corner from 30 yards?

It's pointless trying to talk to you sometimes even the most rose tinted fan has to admit there's some weaknesses in Maguire's game and speed on the turn is one of them. He's vulnerable to it so he protects himself from being caught out by it but that can create problems for the teams shape.

One thing all the centre backs at the teams above us in the league seem to have now is speed on the turn. They're all brave enough to defend high then sprint back with strikers if they can break the offside traps. Maguire doesn't have that luxury he knows if it becomes a race he's going to lose so he gives himself the head start.
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Been watching football for 55+ years and still to see a player that didn't have a weaknesses.

Ah Cider with Rosie Tinted, it was the best of times, it was the worst of times .....
 
it's a weakness that affects how the team needs to play.

Also he often dives in and misses because he knows he has zero pace.

If we want to move on, our CB's need updating.

Maguire is not terrible, but he's nowhere near good enough. He's ok
 
Justin Cider said:
Been watching football for 55+ years and still to see a player that didn't have a weaknesses.

Ah Cider with Rosie Tinted, it was the best of times, it was the worst of times .....
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No one is saying players don't have any weaknesses just that the one Maguire has which is being slow on the turn makes him very vulnerable in an attacking side that wants to play a high line.

The way he manages that weakness is to drop quickly when we lose possession which means the rest of the defence goes with him and a huge gap emerges in midfield.

I just think he's had his time at Utd and it would be best for everyone to move on.
 
jsp said:
No one is saying players don't have any weaknesses just that the one Maguire has which is being slow on the turn makes him very vulnerable in an attacking side that wants to play a high line.

The way he manages that weakness is to drop quickly when we lose possession which means the rest of the defence goes with him and a huge gap emerges in midfield.

I just think he's had his time at Utd and it would be best for everyone to move on.
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Not if he's got the right player alongside him and a sweeper-keeper, it really isn't an issue

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You said that last Summer, well it's a bloody good job we didn't sell him
 
Yeah, let's move on our best defender, makes total sense. That'll leave us with no leaders, another brilliant decision.

The key reason we go to sleep so often and don't kill off games properly is that very thing - no leader. Maguire is the closest thing we have to that and even he is lacking, but he has some fight in him, we can all see that after what he's gone through and came out the other side.

Bruno couldn't lead 10 children. The rest of the team are even worse again. This is the biggest problem.

Martinez is the biggest miss in this, he seems to solidify the back line and keep people awake... so when we have the two of them back playing together as it must be Martinez and Maguire now, then things at the back should change for the better.
 
Guess we all have our own opinions but it would be madness to sell Maguire and keep guys like Lindelof and Varane.

Sure we could maybe get a little more money for Maguire but would rather have him in the club than not.

I think some only see flaws and not the attributes. Sure he does lack some pace but a lot of the great centre backs also lacked pace. You need to partner him with someone that compliments him. Also our midfield needs to have more energy because every defensive partnership we have utilised this season has been exposed.
 
Jayc1860 said:
eah, let's move on our best defender, makes total sense
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currently Antony is our best RW and Rashford our best LW.

Casimero is our best CM

We could go through the squad.

Lets not sell anyone if they are the best in their position :-/

Maguire isn't good enough, doesn't matter that Lindelof isn't either, Varane gets injured, Martinez has missed a season. None of those points make Maguire a better player
 
Mr C said:
currently Antony is our best RW and Rashford our best LW.

Casimero is our best CM

We could go through the squad.

Lets not sell anyone if they are the best in their position :-/

Maguire isn't good enough, doesn't matter that Lindelof isn't either, Varane gets injured, Martinez has missed a season. None of those points make Maguire a better player
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True, but Maguire's performances on the pitch do. He's been great all season and deserves to stay and be a part of next years campaign. He's always been good enough, he was just crippled initially with far too much responsibility far too quickly.
 
Mr C said:
currently Antony is our best RW and Rashford our best LW.

Casimero is our best CM

We could go through the squad.

Lets not sell anyone if they are the best in their position :-/

Maguire isn't good enough, doesn't matter that Lindelof isn't either, Varane gets injured, Martinez has missed a season. None of those points make Maguire a better player
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You must be a WUM if you think Antony is our best RW and Rashford our best LW.
 

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