Harry Maguire | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

justintime said:
No it is his appeal case and the next schedule is sometimes next year in 2025. 48 months have passed since he was charged and only 48 months to go and the way it works in Greece it may be well over the statute of limitations they said. It is not an ongoing case as he has not seen the inside of the court yet. It is up to his lawyer Rastapopoulos now if he can pull something out of his nose and get this to disappear.
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So the videos of him leaving the court room in Greece are AI?

It is an ongoing case. He went to court was found guilty and is now appealing. He got a 21 month suspended sentence.
 
I would imagine we have a extradition agreement with Greece so if they wanted him back to face charges I don't think our government would stand in his way.
 
O-Dog said:
He was out leader today. Excellent.
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Yes I agree. He was immense today and was good in both ends. One thing you can be sure of Maguire is that he would put his body on the line. What I saw different today was that he was not trying to be cute and try to play football in difficult situations but took the safe options. Sometimes it is better to let the ball g into touch rather than try to keep in play and concede possession to the opposition.
 
Can’t help but admire Maguire and how he has got past the idiot fans who booed him with every touch for England.

We are undoubtedly weaker with him playing over Martinez but that’s not to say he isn’t a good defender. Our style of play does suffer when we play Maguire but he played well yesterday.
 
SuperRash said:
Can’t help but admire Maguire and how he has got past the idiot fans who booed him with every touch for England.

We are undoubtedly weaker with him playing over Martinez but that’s not to say he isn’t a good defender. Our style of play does suffer when we play Maguire but he played well yesterday.
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Stop talking rubbish.
 
Perfect game for him yesterday, Utd were able to sit off a bit deeper, loads of crosses and long balls into Watkins to deal with which is his bread and butter to him and Varane.

He can get himself a little bit stuck with this playing from the back especially when it's trying to draw in the opponent he just isn't as good as Martinez at it and to be honest very few are. Was made even harder by having a make shift left back next to him but they got through it without any major headaches.

Luton this weekend is perfect for him again two big bruisers up top for him to deal with and I'm sure he'll relish that sort of challenge.
 
jsp said:
Perfect game for him yesterday, Utd were able to sit off a bit deeper, loads of crosses and long balls into Watkins to deal with which is his bread and butter to him and Varane.

He can get himself a little bit stuck with this playing from the back especially when it's trying to draw in the opponent he just isn't as good as Martinez at it and to be honest very few are. Was made even harder by having a make shift left back next to him but they got through it without any major headaches.

Luton this weekend is perfect for him again two big bruisers up top for him to deal with and I'm sure he'll relish that sort of challenge.
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Yet he had more successful passes and carried the ball into the final-third more times than any other defender on the pitch yesterday. And he does that most games, which is strangely overlooked ....
 
Justin Cider said:
Yet he had more successful passes and carried the ball into the final-third more times than any other defender on the pitch yesterday. And he does that most games, which is strangely overlooked ....
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I'm a Maguire fan and I think his ability on the ball is a lot better than he's given credit for but there is a drop off between him and Martinez. In my opinion Martinez is probably one of the best around at playing deep in his own half under pressure.

I'm just going by what I see he's fine when he sees something quickly or isn't put under pressure but when he's forced to wait for movement he can often find himself stuck on the ball and unable to move out of trouble in the way Martinez can. That's a really hard thing for a player to do and very few defenders can do it as well as Martinez does. That low centre of gravity means he can twist and turn like a winger whereas Maguire isn't built for that.

Onana puts the defenders under way more pressure now than last season as he is willing to play short and close to goal to try to draw the opponent in but to do that you need to be very quick at spotting the moment to play through that press. Maguire I think struggles with this he's just a fraction slower than Martinez and it can make a huge difference.
 
jsp said:
I'm a Maguire fan and I think his ability on the ball is a lot better than he's given credit for but there is a drop off between him and Martinez. In my opinion Martinez is probably one of the best around at playing deep in his own half under pressure.

I'm just going by what I see he's fine when he sees something quickly or isn't put under pressure but when he's forced to wait for movement he can often find himself stuck on the ball and unable to move out of trouble in the way Martinez can. That's a really hard thing for a player to do and very few defenders can do it as well as Martinez does. That low centre of gravity means he can twist and turn like a winger whereas Maguire isn't built for that.

Onana puts the defenders under way more pressure now than last season as he is willing to play short and close to goal to try to draw the opponent in but to do that you need to be very quick at spotting the moment to play through that press. Maguire I think struggles with this he's just a fraction slower than Martinez and it can make a huge difference.
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And yet you've spent most of the last year saying we should move him on!

Maguire and Martinez are both great defenders with very different strengths, and we are lucky to have both, best to leave it there.
 
Justin Cider said:
And yet you've spent most of the last year saying we should move him on!

Maguire and Martinez are both great defenders with very different strengths, and we are lucky to have both, best to leave it there.
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Something I still think the club should do because of the state of the finances they have to sell to be able to buy, he's a player I think they can get a good fee for and use that money to rebuild.

It's a shame we won't see them together in the run in because if they settled into a good partnership then it might mean 1 less decision to make on transfers.
 
At this moment in time he should not be sold as we need to sell Varane and Lindelof as not sure about Martinez now. We need 4 players who can play CB. Yes Shaw can but he is also injury prone.
 
jsp said:
Something I still think the club should do because of the state of the finances they have to sell to be able to buy, he's a player I think they can get a good fee for and use that money to rebuild.

It's a shame we won't see them together in the run in because if they settled into a good partnership then it might mean 1 less decision to make on transfers.
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Yeah I get that.

Agree, they complimented each other nicely in the last match, not an ideal pairing but then I thought Dolly and Daisy wouldn't work!
 
Justin Cider said:
Yeah I get that.

Agree, they complimented each other nicely in the last match, not an ideal pairing but then I thought Dolly and Daisy wouldn't work!
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Centre back is a funny one as you really do work as a pair even in the modern game you can have two great players on paper that just can't work together and two average ones who just bring the best from each other.

Varane and Maguire is a good example of that on paper they are both good players but they just don't seem to click and bring the best from each other.
 
jsp said:
Centre back is a funny one as you really do work as a pair even in the modern game you can have two great players on paper that just can't work together and two average ones who just bring the best from each other.

Varane and Maguire is a good example of that on paper they are both good players but they just don't seem to click and bring the best from each other.
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Thought they did okay yesterday, but they both want to win the first header whereas Martinez is better fighting his opponent for seconds.
 
I think it could be a tactical issue as Varane is better dropping off and let Maguire go for the first header. But as Scholes pointed out yesterday ETH is used to playing just one DM with Ajax but this is not the Dutch league and he needs to get two to play against top opposition especially when most of our forwards cannot hold the ball at all. If Bruno is a player who can hold the ball a lot of trouble would go away.
 
Nice to see Maguire getting some praise finally, he's deserved it in most games he's played this season, it's just starting to show now because of our attack actually scoring recently - these bits and bobs done in defence by him are coming to light as possibly the difference in a game being a draw or a win. Not saying he's the master piece of the team but that he is important to us. People just don't see it when we lose as there is more to pick on him about - and people are negativity crazy after a loss.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Nice to see Maguire getting some praise finally, he's deserved it in most games he's played this season, it's just starting to show now because of our attack actually scoring recently - these bits and bobs done in defence by him are coming to light as possibly the difference in a game being a draw or a win. Not saying he's the master piece of the team but that he is important to us. People just don't see it when we lose as there is more to pick on him about - and people are negativity crazy after a loss.
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No it is because he is actually playing a lot better than he was before under Ole at the latter part and under ETH. I still think he should be the one going for the first headers and tackles etc and let Varane drop behind him. He is a top class header and also a very good tackler. We cannot expect him to play like Baresi or Danny Blind. His long passing is not bad either.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Nice to see Maguire getting some praise finally, he's deserved it in most games he's played this season, it's just starting to show now because of our attack actually scoring recently - these bits and bobs done in defence by him are coming to light as possibly the difference in a game being a draw or a win. Not saying he's the master piece of the team but that he is important to us. People just don't see it when we lose as there is more to pick on him about - and people are negativity crazy after a loss.
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I think most have actually been pretty complimentary about his performance. There will always be discussion about whether he is right for the team and that’s pretty valid because it is still a question mark going forward.
 
SuperRash said:
I think most have actually been pretty complimentary about his performance. There will always be discussion about whether he is right for the team and that’s pretty valid because it is still a question mark going forward.
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Yeah some through gritted teeth though, but you sense those posters are primed with their "told you he was a donkey" "I've seen oil tankers turn quicker" "I wouldn't even have paid £80.000 for him" which are just some of the more complimentary comments that'll be thrown his way when he next makes a big mistake. - and he will because that's a defenders lot in the PL, they have some of the best strikers in the world earning millions of pounds a year to make defenders look like chumps. And they do that week in, week out, but when it happens to Harry ....
 
Defending is teamwork too and his 5 other team mates which includes Onana and Cas needs to help each other out. On a 50/50 ball with a speedy forward he is going to be ok (50/50 means that and not a ball in the middle between two of them). His team mates should understand that he is uncomfortable in passing with his left foot so they need to get that right and give him the opportunity. In the old days he would try to pass and get dispossessed or concede possession. Now he does not try that stuff but play it safe. I think taking the captaincy away from him and talking about selling him made him a stronger player mentally. If players are playing well and giving all most fans would accept it.
I never thought Maguire was going to turn it around and may he continue to play well.
 
SuperRash said:
I think most have actually been pretty complimentary about his performance. There will always be discussion about whether he is right for the team and that’s pretty valid because it is still a question mark going forward.
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How can anybody judge if he's right for our current team when it has no outstanding strength to play to? What system does Maguire fit into best - well it's certainly not random ETH systems is it.. but you could say that for the misfiring Rashford, the odd looking Varane.... dodgy looking Casemiro... yeah the list goes on, they all look out of sorts and confused at points under ETH. So let's have a conversation as to who fits where when it's clear what system we are actually playing. I've watched loads of football this year and I can nearly always pick out just about what a team is doing - with us, all I see is some crazy ping pong between the two teams and then we break with pace. Is that a system? I don't think so.

So for me the only discussion about Maguire should be how well he did his job. Defending. His own personal 90 minutes. He has been one of our most consistent players recently - so getting the job done within a total mess gets my vote.

Also - some people are incapable of giving him praise, when we dont even concede. I don't believe that is complimentary. He's just a number in a book to these people.
 
Jayc1860 said:
How can anybody judge if he's right for our current team when it has no outstanding strength to play to? What system does Maguire fit into best - well it's certainly not random ETH systems is it.. but you could say that for the misfiring Rashford, the odd looking Varane.... dodgy looking Casemiro... yeah the list goes on, they all look out of sorts and confused at points under ETH. So let's have a conversation as to who fits where when it's clear what system we are actually playing. I've watched loads of football this year and I can nearly always pick out just about what a team is doing - with us, all I see is some crazy ping pong between the two teams and then we break with pace. Is that a system? I don't think so.

So for me the only discussion about Maguire should be how well he did his job. Defending. His own personal 90 minutes. He has been one of our most consistent players recently - so getting the job done within a total mess gets my vote.

Also - some people are incapable of giving him praise, when we dont even concede. I don't believe that is complimentary. He's just a number in a book to these people.
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That would be quite a boring forum if only player performances in 90 minutes were discussed! Yes performances within games need to be discussed but also how players fit into the future, their strengths and weaknesses etc.
 
SuperRash said:
That would be quite a boring forum if only player performances in 90 minutes were discussed! Yes performances within games need to be discussed but also how players fit into the future, their strengths and weaknesses etc.
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It isn't me dictating this, it's the teams lack of tactics or style. If we don't have any - or one style that is obviously our plan, you simply can't judge how any of our players are handling it. That's just the truth of it, nothing about trying to make the forum boring. If you feel like there is a way we play that you can identify, other than random counter attacks then you'll be doing better than most.
 
Iv been a critic last season and he was getting a lot of stick from everywhere much of it deserved but credit to him he’s kept at it and shown what a strong character he is. Having said that our defence is subject to far too much exposure because it’s not protected by the midfield the way Eth’s team is set up.
 
The club tried to sell him ,stripped him of the captaincy and dropped him A lot of players would have thrown there toys out of the pram but he's just got on with it and done his best on the pitch got to give the guy credit for his attitude
 
Hammerhead1 said:
The club tried to sell him ,stripped him of the captaincy and dropped him A lot of players would have thrown there toys out of the pram but he's just got on with it and done his best on the pitch got to give the guy credit for his attitude
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This is why I don't understand why everyone isn't at least backing him right now. He might not be the worlds absolute best - but his attitude and commitment is second to none. That should be the embodiment of a Manchester United player.
 
Jayc1860 said:
It isn't me dictating this, it's the teams lack of tactics or style. If we don't have any - or one style that is obviously our plan, you simply can't judge how any of our players are handling it. That's just the truth of it, nothing about trying to make the forum boring. If you feel like there is a way we play that you can identify, other than random counter attacks then you'll be doing better than most.
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Of course you can judge players even if a team doesn’t have a distinct style of play. Yes it helps to be in a team with a clear and direct plan but that’s not the be all and end all.

I for one rate Maguire and think he’s a very good defender and you can never fault his commitment to the cause. He’s one guy you would count on when the chips are down, however my earlier points were that I prefer Martinez in the team because he gives you better quality on the ball. This is not a slight on Maguire but more so a real praise of what Martinez brings to the side.
 
SuperRash said:
Of course you can judge players even if a team doesn’t have a distinct style of play. Yes it helps to be in a team with a clear and direct plan but that’s not the be all and end all.

I for one rate Maguire and think he’s a very good defender and you can never fault his commitment to the cause. He’s one guy you would count on when the chips are down, however my earlier points were that I prefer Martinez in the team because he gives you better quality on the ball. This is not a slight on Maguire but more so a real praise of what Martinez brings to the side.
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Isn't that what I was saying?

I said you can judge the player, but not how the player fits into a tactic if it's non-existant.
 

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