Harry Maguire | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

justintime said:
No we need to keep him at least for one more season as he is a very good player and if anyone CB gets injured he comes in. There are games where we need players like him in defence. And also during the latter part of some games. He has come back from his horrible form hopefully. The one thing I like about him is how he got down without a fuss and gone about doing his job. Yes, he got arrested in Greece but that was a long time ago.
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I think you use this return to form as a chance to cash in and put it towards a younger partner for Martinez next season.

Keep Lindelof as your third and maybe look for a cheap solution to be the 4th choice as Varane/Evans will likely be off when their contracts expire this summer.

Maguire is on mega wages and isn't going to be part of the long term rebuild and I don't think he wants to be a backup player, he wants to play every week. This his contract is up in 2025 so this will be the last summer they can really get anything for him.

I'd say he's gone from being a complete car crash to being an adequate squad player but it's still nowhere near the level he was at in his first 2 seasons and for what he's paid nowhere near good enough.
 
justintime said:
Me too. One thing that has changed now is that he does not seem to be under stress like when he was the Captain. He seemed more calm and composed now. He is not a slow player once he gets going. It is his acceleration that seems to be the issue before. He is not scared to put his body on the line and yes, him and Martinez could be a good option. I hope that I have not jinxed him by saying this too. We have to also consider that none of our RBs are really good in defending as a team.
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How many players ( not just United) have crumbled under the pressure of being captain. I agree with the jinxed comment. I really like dalot but where is the cover if he is injured/ suspended? Wish we had two Luke Shaws
 
RH78 said:
How many players ( not just United) have crumbled under the pressure of being captain. I agree with the jinxed comment. I really like dalot but where is the cover if he is injured/ suspended? Wish we had two Luke Shaws
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Bad enough having one.
 
Got a bit lucky yesterday that dithering on the ball wasn't punished.

These are the sort of things that in his bad spells of form were being punished lucky for him Emerson made a right mess about it and the whole thing will probably be quickly forgotten.
 
jsp said:
Got a bit lucky yesterday that dithering on the ball wasn't punished.

These are the sort of things that in his bad spells of form were being punished lucky for him Emerson made a right mess about it and the whole thing will probably be quickly forgotten.
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Wasn't dithering, the pass to him was crap.
 
Justin Cider said:
Wasn't dithering, the pass to him was crap.
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He had enough time to deal with it and if necessary boot it away, he just didn't realise how close Emerson had got to him and had his pocket picked.

It was poor from Maguire and he got away with one.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the Bowen one, we were a bit out of shape with the Martinez injury and they floated an inch perfect ball over his head, luckily Dalot had got round on the cover to make a vital block.

Both incidents highlight a problem Maguire has which is recovery speed once he gets caught it is very hard for him to get back and recover.
 
jsp said:
He had enough time to deal with it and if necessary boot it away, he just didn't realise how close Emerson had got to him and had his pocket picked.

It was poor from Maguire and he got away with one.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the Bowen one, we were a bit out of shape with the Martinez injury and they floated an inch perfect ball over his head, luckily Dalot had got round on the cover to make a vital block.

Both incidents highlight a problem Maguire has which is recovery speed once he gets caught it is very hard for him to get back and recover.
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Stop nit-picking, he had a very good game.
 
Justin Cider said:
Again it was a shit pass, it should've been either fired at him, or put past him so he had no option but to go back to Onana.
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The pass was absolutely fine, Maguire made it an issue because he dithered on it.

Other than that was a solid game but that could easily have cost us the win.
 
SuperRash said:
The pass was absolutely fine, Maguire made it an issue because he dithered on it.

Other than that was a solid game but that could easily have cost us the win.
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Yeah fine if you wanted to put a team mate under pressure needlessly.
 
Justin Cider said:
It's the very definition of nit-picking, now if it had resulted in a goal ....
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You deflect criticism from players you like and pile it on players you don’t.

I like Maguire think he gets a lot of unfair stick at times but he got caught with his pants down and got away with it. A better player doesn’t let him off the hook.

The pass is irrelevant he knows It’s coming slow but he didn’t realise Emerson was sprinting for it, a sudden but of pressure caught him out.
 
Sideshow Bob said:
Was it Maguire who misjudged the flight of the ball that led to the Dalot block?
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It was but we were a bit out of shape as Martinez had just hobbled back on and was getting into position as the guy hit the pass.

On that one I’d credit the pass rather than criticise the defending, it was inch perfect.
 
jsp said:
You deflect criticism from players you like and pile it on players you don’t.

I like Maguire think he gets a lot of unfair stick at times but he got caught with his pants down and got away with it. A better player doesn’t let him off the hook.

The pass is irrelevant he knows It’s coming slow but he didn’t realise Emerson was sprinting for it, a sudden but of pressure caught him out.
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I've slept since, I can't even remember who passed him the ball, just that it was a careless under-hit pass.
 
SuperRash said:
Pretty sure if Shaw had dithered like Maguire did then you’d be all over him with criticism.
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Not even close to being true, if United had won as comfortably and Shaw had a 7/10 performance I wouldn't even have mentioned it, but then you know that.

Oh yeah and for the record Shaw was born dithering.
 
Justin Cider said:
I've slept since, I can't even remember who passed him the ball, just that it was a careless under-hit pass.
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It was Martinez. It was a little under hit but Maguire wasn't really in a position to have it fired at him as there were 2 West Ham players near him.

Maguire just got himself in an awkward shape to receive the pass he was facing into the pitch pretty much on the touchline so his only pass was back to Martinez, he tried to adjust to go back to Onana but took to long and Emerson picked his pocket.

It was just sloppy play but it's something I feel he gets caught by quite a lot, he dosen't make quick decisions when it comes to moving the ball so teams can pounce on him if they're brave enough to press high.

In the first half West Ham were pretty happy to let us have the ball at the back and maybe that had made him a bit complacent when they finally went for it he wasn't expecting it and got caught.
 
jsp said:
It was Martinez. It was a little under hit but Maguire wasn't really in a position to have it fired at him as there were 2 West Ham players near him.

Maguire just got himself in an awkward shape to receive the pass he was facing into the pitch pretty much on the touchline so his only pass was back to Martinez, he tried to adjust to go back to Onana but took to long and Emerson picked his pocket.

It was just sloppy play but it's something I feel he gets caught by quite a lot, he dosen't make quick decisions when it comes to moving the ball so teams can pounce on him if they're brave enough to press high.

In the first half West Ham were pretty happy to let us have the ball at the back and maybe that had made him a bit complacent when they finally went for it he wasn't expecting it and got caught.
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It wasn't a little under-hit, it was a piss poor pass under no pressure. And Maguire couldn't pass it back to him.

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I'll admit I'm totally in the wrong on my posts above I've no idea what I watched but the start of the clip was cropped on what I watched so was doing it slightly from memory. I thought the pass came across from Martinez rather than back to him from Dalot. So hands up the last few posts aren't right.

The video you've just put up doesn't even show the pass to Maguire.

The move starts with a Maguire pass to Dalot who's under pressure from Emerson so he gives it back at close range there's nothing wrong with that ball back. Maguire can see the pressure and has decided to play back to the keeper he just doesn't adjust his feet quick enough to play back to Onana and Emerson nips in and takes the ball.

Maguire should be good enough to realise the ball isn't going to reach him in time and deal with it but he doesn't he loses a ball that's easily 70-30 in his favour.

I suspect if any of us had the chance to ask him he'd hold his hands up and say he got away with one there.
 
Why not just admit Maguire had a good game, and give him the credit he deserves. Nothing came of his blunder so who cares? Many errors are made in football games - they're only critical if something comes from them, or if said person is making 8 per minute.

It's finally a solid performance - yet Maguire isn't allowed to join in on it. That seems to me like what you're saying.
 
It's a player thread so we're going to discuss individual moments in games good or bad. Yeah he had a decent game no one is denying that but he also made a massive balls up that he was very lucky to get away with.

What would be nice is if everyone could just go yeah he got away with one there rather than try to pin Maguire's error on another player.

It was a big moment in the game because it came just before we got the second goal so it is worth talking about.
 
Jayc1860 said:
Why not just admit Maguire had a good game, and give him the credit he deserves. Nothing came of his blunder so who cares? Many errors are made in football games - they're only critical if something comes from them, or if said person is making 8 per minute.

It's finally a solid performance - yet Maguire isn't allowed to join in on it. That seems to me like what you're saying.
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Argumentative litte soul aren’t you.
 
jsp said:
It's a player thread so we're going to discuss individual moments in games good or bad. Yeah he had a decent game no one is denying that but he also made a massive balls up that he was very lucky to get away with.

What would be nice is if everyone could just go yeah he got away with one there rather than try to pin Maguire's error on another player.

It was a big moment in the game because it came just before we got the second goal so it is worth talking about.
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No. It was better than decent. We kept a clean sheet - he did his job. Yet you still can't give him the praise he deserves so why should anybody else tell you what you want to hear.

SuperRash said:
Argumentative litte soul aren’t you.
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The more intelligent you are, the more argumentative you are.

I don't much like arguing about yesterdays weather, but football definitely.
 
Maguire was decent, no more, a solid 6-7/10 performance. He clearly dithered and was at fault. Not sure why his performance should be considered praiseworthy.
 
Jayc1860 said:
No. It was better than decent. We kept a clean sheet - he did his job. Yet you still can't give him the praise he deserves so why should anybody else tell you what you want to hear.
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Lets agree to disagree.

Go back to my original post it was hardly hanging him out to dry.
 
jsp said:
I'll admit I'm totally in the wrong on my posts above I've no idea what I watched but the start of the clip was cropped on what I watched so was doing it slightly from memory. I thought the pass came across from Martinez rather than back to him from Dalot. So hands up the last few posts aren't right.

The video you've just put up doesn't even show the pass to Maguire.

The move starts with a Maguire pass to Dalot who's under pressure from Emerson so he gives it back at close range there's nothing wrong with that ball back. Maguire can see the pressure and has decided to play back to the keeper he just doesn't adjust his feet quick enough to play back to Onana and Emerson nips in and takes the ball.

Maguire should be good enough to realise the ball isn't going to reach him in time and deal with it but he doesn't he loses a ball that's easily 70-30 in his favour.

I suspect if any of us had the chance to ask him he'd hold his hands up and say he got away with one there.
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Yes it does, circa 01:24
 
He cannot win can he? Now his case in Greece has been delayed according to the prosecuting lawyer Youis Fockofulous and his own lawyer Rastapopoulos. They said by the time the case comes to court Maguire would have retired or the 8 years of Statute of Limitations would have come into effect. All this is hanging on him still.
 
justintime said:
He cannot win can he? Now his case in Greece has been delayed according to the prosecuting lawyer Youis Fockofulous and his own lawyer Rastapopoulos. They said by the time the case comes to court Maguire would have retired or the 8 years of Statute of Limitations would have come into effect. All this is hanging on him still.
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He's only waited 42 months. Have some patience.
 
justintime said:
He cannot win can he? Now his case in Greece has been delayed according to the prosecuting lawyer Youis Fockofulous and his own lawyer Rastapopoulos. They said by the time the case comes to court Maguire would have retired or the 8 years of Statute of Limitations would have come into effect. All this is hanging on him still.
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I like Maguire. And have defended him throughout.

Where has it been said that he’ll have retired by the time his case gets to court happens?

Also the statute of limitations doesn’t apply to ongoing cases. The charge has been made.

But on the flip side isn’t he safe regardless. As long as he doesn’t go back to Greece. Our government is never going to force him to go listen to the hearing now he’s home?
 
IDFD said:
I like Maguire. And have defended him throughout.

Where has it been said that he’ll have retired by the time his case gets to court happens?

Also the statute of limitations doesn’t apply to ongoing cases. The charge has been made.
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No it is his appeal case and the next schedule is sometimes next year in 2025. 48 months have passed since he was charged and only 48 months to go and the way it works in Greece it may be well over the statute of limitations they said. It is not an ongoing case as he has not seen the inside of the court yet. It is up to his lawyer Rastapopoulos now if he can pull something out of his nose and get this to disappear.
 

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