Harry Maguire | Match Discussion Thread 2023/24

It's what he needs just a few games where he isn't clipped up into a meme by idiots looking to go viral on social media.
 
It probably won't but I haven't seem one smart arsed tweet (or whatever they're called now) about his performance the other night.

Just a spell of flying under the radar will be good for him hopefully get his confidence back up.
 
he has deserved critisism, not to the extent he has got it, but his performances have been poor for a long time.

He looked much more confident against Palace, but yes, they didn't exactly threaten. I hope he gets his confidence back and finds a club to give him regular football.
 
No doubt his club form over the last 2 years has dipped massively and that's a problem he needs to sort out. Problem is he's on the biggest stage so every little mistake is analysed he needs to cut out the individual errors that are adding fuel to the fire.

He's unlikely to leave in January so we need a fit and confident Maguire the better he plays for us this season the better chance there is of shifting him in the summer. Utd probably need to be looking at bringing in a couple of centre backs in the summer.
 
jsp said:
No doubt his club form over the last 2 years has dipped massively and that's a problem he needs to sort out. Problem is he's on the biggest stage so every little mistake is analysed he needs to cut out the individual errors that are adding fuel to the fire.

He's unlikely to leave in January so we need a fit and confident Maguire the better he plays for us this season the better chance there is of shifting him in the summer. Utd probably need to be looking at bringing in a couple of centre backs in the summer.
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If he gets back to the Maguire of 18 months ago why would we move him on?
 
Justin Cider said:
If he gets back to the Maguire of 18 months ago why would we move him on?
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The thing is that ETH clearly doesn’t rate him as highly as the rest of his defenders. He favoured Shaw at centre back to him, so for me his days are numbered here and he will eventually move on.
 
Justin Cider said:
If he gets back to the Maguire of 18 months ago why would we move him on?
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Been longer than that since he lost form pal, it’s over 2 years. He was good in 2020/21 including the euros that summer but ever since then he’s not been the same.

End of this season he’s 31 with 1 year left on his contract. Are they going to offer him a new deal on anything like his current terms?

His lack of speed will always be a problem in the ETH system so just think it’s a good time to shake hands and move on.
 
SuperRash said:
The thing is that ETH clearly doesn’t rate him as highly as the rest of his defenders. He favoured Shaw at centre back to him, so for me his days are numbered here and he will eventually move on.
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Not that bullshit again ....
 
jsp said:
Been longer than that since he lost form pal, it’s over 2 years. He was good in 2020/21 including the euros that summer but ever since then he’s not been the same.

End of this season he’s 31 with 1 year left on his contract. Are they going to offer him a new deal on anything like his current terms?

His lack of speed will always be a problem in the ETH system so just think it’s a good time to shake hands and move on.
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If he'd been so badly out of form for so long do you really think he'd still be getting picked for England. It's nonsense, but because he's the chosen fall guy his actual form is often ignored.

31 is still young for a CB ffs, and who knows the club might renegotiate lower wages

Oh no not the lack of pace argument again, change the record it's boring ....
 
Disturbing that so many who are presumably responsible for wiping their own backsides can't see past the fee paid for Maguire and what he looks like, and just find it easier the join the pile on. Got to be popular don't we? :rolleyes:
 
Justin Cider said:
Disturbing that so many who are presumably responsible for wiping their own backsides can't see past the fee paid for Maguire and what he looks like, and just find it easier the join the pile on. Got to be popular don't we? :rolleyes:
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Even when Maguire was bought from Leicester, he was a solid centre back and nothing more. The fee we paid for him was insane but that wasn’t his fault, he was probably worth half of what we paid but what with the English tax we had to pay it.

He was impressive at Leicester but it was playing for a team where he could defend deep and play to his qualities of being a strong defender. It’s the other areas where he lacks the traits for being a top top centre back. He’s not fantastic on the ball and a lot of teams who play us rely on the counter attack and that’s not where his strength lies. Overall you can tell why ETH doesn’t really fancy him ahead of Varane, Martinez, Lindelof etc.

As for your earlier comment, he did prefer Shaw to Maguire at centre back. That’s not my opinion, that’s a fact. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it any less true.

Also Maguire has done well for England but I think it’s the lack of alternatives that means he keeps his place. Southgate clearly trusts him though and that’s credit to Maguire.
 
SuperRash said:
Even when Maguire was bought from Leicester, he was a solid centre back and nothing more. The fee we paid for him was insane but that wasn’t his fault, he was probably worth half of what we paid but what with the English tax we had to pay it.

He was impressive at Leicester but it was playing for a team where he could defend deep and play to his qualities of being a strong defender. It’s the other areas where he lacks the traits for being a top top centre back. He’s not fantastic on the ball and a lot of teams who play us rely on the counter attack and that’s not where his strength lies. Overall you can tell why ETH doesn’t really fancy him ahead of Varane, Martinez, Lindelof etc.

As for your earlier comment, he did prefer Shaw to Maguire at centre back. That’s not my opinion, that’s a fact. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it any less true.

Also Maguire has done well for England but I think it’s the lack of alternatives that means he keeps his place. Southgate clearly trusts him though and that’s credit to Maguire.
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Pep wanted him, Mourinho wanted him, United signed him but yeah he was a solid centre-back and nothing more :rolleyes:

Nothing to do with English tax. Defenders were moving for £50-75m at the time. The next big transfer involving one of the bigger clubs was always going to be more than the money paid for Van Dijk, whether you think Maguire is comparable doesn't come into it.

He doesn't do too many Cruyff turns in the box(wonder how Mr Bailly is getting on!) granted but to say he's not fantastic on the ball is nonsense, name one current CB at the club who carries the ball into midfield and beyond and passes the ball better with either foot than him?

I'll wait, sensible replies only please.

For a few games at LCB, and as explained previously that's on EtH's inability to set up a team without feeling he needed a left-footer at LCB, and a left-footer at RW for the team to function properly. Now that is fact.

Hopefully the last match opened EtH's eyes.

THUD
 
Justin Cider said:
Pep wanted him
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He also wanted Sancho, pep buys duds too you know, he's not some golden boy.

Facts are, Maguire isn't that good, his level is probably a six to ten club. I mean we are that at the moment, but I hope our aim is higher, which means getting better players
 
Justin Cider said:
Pep wanted him, Mourinho wanted him, United signed him but yeah he was a solid centre-back and nothing more :rolleyes:

Nothing to do with English tax. Defenders were moving for £50-75m at the time. The next big transfer involving one of the bigger clubs was always going to be more than the money paid for Van Dijk, whether you think Maguire is comparable doesn't come into it.

He doesn't do too many Cruyff turns in the box(wonder how Mr Bailly is getting on!) granted but to say he's not fantastic on the ball is nonsense, name one current CB at the club who carries the ball into midfield and beyond and passes the ball better with either foot than him?

I'll wait, sensible replies only please.

For a few games at LCB, and as explained previously that's on EtH's inability to set up a team without feeling he needed a left-footer at LCB, and a left-footer at RW for the team to function properly. Now that is fact.

Hopefully the last match opened EtH's eyes.

THUD
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I think he’ll need a little more than defend against a team that had about two attacks all game. Surely you’re not being serious when you say this was some kind of redemption game for Maguire? It was against a second string Palace side who really had no threat until Eze came on.

Also your argument that ETH just wanted a left footed centre back is also incorrect. Varane and Lindelof played a fair few games together once Martinez was injured. If he was good enough in ETH’s eyes then it wouldn’t have mattered if he was left footed or not.

Varane is a much better passer and is equally adept at passing with either foot. Martinez is a far superior passer. Lindelof is a very good long passer, his long balls over the top can be very good.

Pep also wanted Kalvin Phillips. Argument ends there for me. If City had bought him I don’t think he would still be at the club or at least not first choice anyway. They bought Dias a year later and also Stones definitely fits the bill more for a Pep team.

Thud? Surely that wasn’t a mic drop? That can only be done when someone makes a good point or argument.
 
Justin Cider said:
If he'd been so badly out of form for so long do you really think he'd still be getting picked for England. It's nonsense, but because he's the chosen fall guy his actual form is often ignored.

31 is still young for a CB ffs, and who knows the club might renegotiate lower wages

Oh no not the lack of pace argument again, change the record it's boring ....
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Because for England he plays well, Southgate is loyal to him and there hasn't been a long list of players capable of taking his starting spot off him. I think you have to separate national team form from club form, for whatever reason international football just suits some players. Maguire obviously doesn't feel the pressure playing for England that he feels playing for Utd.

It was before your time here but I was a big supporter of Maguire in his first two seasons, a pretty lonely voice at times on here I felt he was harshly judged by many but the last 2 years just aren't good enough. His standards has slipped massively he needs a massive turnaround in form for the club to even consider offering him a new contract. My personal view is a clean break is best for everyone and it'll do his reputation a lot of good to step out of that Utd spotlight and play every week at a club where there isn't as much focus on his every touch.

He was a very good player when we signed him but we massively over paid for him and that's a Utd problem and maybe if Leicester were willing to accept £60m he would have ended up at City rather than Utd.

You can bury your head in the sand about it if you want but it won't change the fact that with him in the side Utd have to defend deep because they can't leave space in behind because he's slow on the turn. It's a fact and the current boss wants the team to push up and press the opponent and to do that you need your defence high up the pitch which leaves Maguire with a problem.

Tuesday night suited him fine Mateta is a big physical lump but he's not particularly quick so Maguire was able to go up against him and handle him.
 
People are rewriting history on Maguire. Bar De Gea he was our best player for 2 seasons and the idea of playing without him was terrifying whilst he carried Lindelof and Smalling.

Maguire at his best walked in to the City title winning squad. He’s levels above Stones and Ake at his best. United fans dragged him down at a time his legal issues destroyed his confidence. Something United fans very rarely do to our own players but the world of social media is changing things.
 
Smalling left the summer Maguire signed.

I think you can split the Maguire time at Utd into two obvious spells from 2019-21 he was a decent centre back he was far off the best in the business at the point but he had a few flaws in his game. The stupid transfer fee we paid meant he was compared to the very best though and that was maybe unfair but that is life in the spotlight I guess.

Since that summer of 2021 with whatever happened in Greece he hasn't been the same player again.
 
Mr C said:
He also wanted Sancho, pep buys duds too you know, he's not some golden boy.

Facts are, Maguire isn't that good, his level is probably a six to ten club. I mean we are that at the moment, but I hope our aim is higher, which means getting better players
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When did that creep into football speak, don't recall anybody saying it pre Sky. There's just no way of knowing, stick one banded in that group into a better team than his current team and you just don't know ....
 
SuperRash said:
I think he’ll need a little more than defend against a team that had about two attacks all game. Surely you’re not being serious when you say this was some kind of redemption game for Maguire? It was against a second string Palace side who really had no threat until Eze came on.

Also your argument that ETH just wanted a left footed centre back is also incorrect. Varane and Lindelof played a fair few games together once Martinez was injured. If he was good enough in ETH’s eyes then it wouldn’t have mattered if he was left footed or not.

Varane is a much better passer and is equally adept at passing with either foot. Martinez is a far superior passer. Lindelof is a very good long passer, his long balls over the top can be very good.

Pep also wanted Kalvin Phillips. Argument ends there for me. If City had bought him I don’t think he would still be at the club or at least not first choice anyway. They bought Dias a year later and also Stones definitely fits the bill more for a Pep team.

Thud? Surely that wasn’t a mic drop? That can only be done when someone makes a good point or argument.
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Redemption game, what the actual .... :rolleyes:

He had a bloody good game, couldn't give two shits who it was against, or how poorly they played - why some are so reluctant to admit it is the real issue here. Can't you just be happy for the lad bearing in mind the grief he's been receiving most of it unwarranted ,,,,

So the Manager has admitted he played Shaw at LCB because he was left-footed, but oh no @SuperRash knows better. Yawn

I said serious replies only.

Oh nooooo, you've really got me there :eek:

Nah that was me hitting the floor ....
 
jsp said:
Because for England he plays well, Southgate is loyal to him and there hasn't been a long list of players capable of taking his starting spot off him. I think you have to separate national team form from club form, for whatever reason international football just suits some players. Maguire obviously doesn't feel the pressure playing for England that he feels playing for Utd.

It was before your time here but I was a big supporter of Maguire in his first two seasons, a pretty lonely voice at times on here I felt he was harshly judged by many but the last 2 years just aren't good enough. His standards has slipped massively he needs a massive turnaround in form for the club to even consider offering him a new contract. My personal view is a clean break is best for everyone and it'll do his reputation a lot of good to step out of that Utd spotlight and play every week at a club where there isn't as much focus on his every touch.

He was a very good player when we signed him but we massively over paid for him and that's a Utd problem and maybe if Leicester were willing to accept £60m he would have ended up at City rather than Utd.

You can bury your head in the sand about it if you want but it won't change the fact that with him in the side Utd have to defend deep because they can't leave space in behind because he's slow on the turn. It's a fact and the current boss wants the team to push up and press the opponent and to do that you need your defence high up the pitch which leaves Maguire with a problem.

Tuesday night suited him fine Mateta is a big physical lump but he's not particularly quick so Maguire was able to go up against him and handle him.
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Wish you'd make your mind up on that, you've often suggested a few players you feel should've been in the squad before him ....

Yeah like Ajax did with those speed merchants De Light and Blind .... :rolleyes:

Stop believing everything negative you read, Some of the best defenders i've ever seen(and i've been watching football for 55+ years) had no pace whatsoever but they managed, and i've news for you teams have been playing with a high-line since the 30's and 40's
 
Justin Cider said:
Redemption game, what the actual .... :rolleyes:

He had a bloody good game, couldn't give two shits who it was against, or how poorly they played - why some are so reluctant to admit it is the real issue here. Can't you just be happy for the lad bearing in mind the grief he's been receiving most of it unwarranted ,,,,

So the Manager has admitted he played Shaw at LCB because he was left-footed, but oh no @SuperRash knows better. Yawn

I said serious replies only.

Oh nooooo, you've really got me there :eek:

Nah that was me hitting the floor ....
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It’s like trying to debate with a toddler.
 
Justin Cider said:
Wish you'd make your mind up on that, you've often suggested a few players you feel should've been in the squad before him ....

Yeah like Ajax did with those speed merchants De Light and Blind .... :rolleyes:

Stop believing everything negative you read, Some of the best defenders i've ever seen(and i've been watching football for 55+ years) had no pace whatsoever but they managed, and i've news for you teams have been playing with a high-line since the 30's and 40's
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Did I? Got any examples where I've said that? Pretty sure when it comes to England I've always never said he doesn't deserve to be picked or offered a load of players I'd pick ahead of him. I think you have me confused with someone else.

I don't know every centre back he had at Ajax but they were replaced with Martinez and Timber who are much quicker players. De Ligt's lack of speed is one of the reasons Juventus and now Bayern have benched him both paid huge fees for him and both now seem to have come to the conclusion that he's not quite good enough. Blind was always a very clever player made up for his lack of speed by being very good positionally, it was only when he got his starting position wrong that teams were able to exploit his lack of speed and punish him. Good to hear he's doing well at Girona.

The game is different now and you bloody well know it so you have to judge players by the era they play in. 50/40/30 years ago you had ways as a defender to skew things back in your favour. In the current game it's a lot harder to be a defender because the rules are so stacked in the attacking players favour.
 
jsp said:
Did I? Got any examples where I've said that? Pretty sure when it comes to England I've always never said he doesn't deserve to be picked or offered a load of players I'd pick ahead of him. I think you have me confused with someone else.

I don't know every centre back he had at Ajax but they were replaced with Martinez and Timber who are much quicker players. De Ligt's lack of speed is one of the reasons Juventus and now Bayern have benched him both paid huge fees for him and both now seem to have come to the conclusion that he's not quite good enough. Blind was always a very clever player made up for his lack of speed by being very good positionally, it was only when he got his starting position wrong that teams were able to exploit his lack of speed and punish him. Good to hear he's doing well at Girona.

The game is different now and you bloody well know it so you have to judge players by the era they play in. 50/40/30 years ago you had ways as a defender to skew things back in your favour. In the current game it's a lot harder to be a defender because the rules are so stacked in the attacking players favour.
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Yeah mate I made notes, I'll just go and get them .... :D

What were their scouts thinking? And I thought only United had shit scouts ....

Temper, temper!

Correct it is harder to defend now, that's why most fans cut defenders more slack, unless they are called Maguire.
 
Justin Cider said:
Yeah mate I made notes, I'll just go and get them .... :D

What were their scouts thinking? And I thought only United had shit scouts ....

Temper, temper!

Correct it is harder to defend now, that's why most fans cut defenders more slack, unless they are called Maguire.
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It's a fair request don't claim I've said something to suit your point if I haven't said it.

You got your reaction which is what you probably wanted so lets leave it there.
 
jsp said:
It's a fair request don't claim I've said something to suit your point if I haven't said it.

You got your reaction which is what you probably wanted so lets leave it there.
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I wish you would feck off with that shit, it's not the first time! If you can't recall fair enough.
 
SuperRash said:
And with that you will no longer have my scintillating interaction with you.

*takes ball and goes home*
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As I said recently I preferred it when you were an ignorant beep beep. Funnily enough you talked more sense when you said nowt ....
 
SuperRash said:
Even when Maguire was bought from Leicester, he was a solid centre back and nothing more. The fee we paid for him was insane but that wasn’t his fault, he was probably worth half of what we paid but what with the English tax we had to pay it.
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Couldn’t agree more with you here. Maguire was overrated and overpriced when United signed him. And the price tag isn’t his fault that’s just the way it was with him. But he was never a top class CB. United were desperate and he was coming off of a really good WC. Thing is international football suits him because it is slower paced and England tend to dominate the ball.
 
RichH2016 said:
Couldn’t agree more with you here. Maguire was overrated and overpriced when United signed him. And the price tag isn’t his fault that’s just the way it was with him. But he was never a top class CB. United were desperate and he was coming off of a really good WC. Thing is international football suits him because it is slower paced and England tend to dominate the ball.
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He signed for Utd 12 months after the World Cup.

Either side of that World Cup he was very good for Leicester which is why it wasn’t just Utd trying to buy him. Leicester were smart though straight after that World Cup they tied him down to a new 5 year deal meaning when clubs came again the following summer they could set their price.
 

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