Garnacho to leave?

There’s so many points in here that we just don’t know about Garnacho. I certainly think there are some areas where he needs to mature little bit and probably get his little brother to keep a lid on what he gets up to as well.

He achieved an incredibly high performance level in his first and second years.

His third year hasn’t gone as well you’ve put a new person in as his line manager who’s asking him to do things a different way. Surely he deserves a bit of grace and adjustment time.

The doing it his own way if that’s what he’s been told to do and it’s got results convincing him to change that because a new guy is giving him a new job is always going to take a bit of time.

My view here is if Garnacho wants to go then let him go but if he wants to stay he’s earned a little more time.

To say he’s failing to me is incredibly harsh.
Only Amorim has the answers to this, he has obviously seen some thing that has made him decide that Garnacho doesn't fit into his system, maybe he's reviewed all the games he's played this season and that has helped him make the decision.
Maybe he has voiced these things to the board, and it's the boards decision to sell while he is worth the €60m that's being touted.
If his actions are disrupting the squad, maybe Amorim is making an example of him, if he is, it's one hell of a statement to make.
Ferguson did it with Beckham when he was arguably in his prime.
 
If you had an elite apprentice who'd been showing he's top of his class for 4 years and then you hired a new manager for him and two months later the manager wanted to get rid of him. Who would you deem the issue?
How is it you you say ETH had no say over players since SJR arrived. Yet you're saying Amorim does?
The fact is, he's being sold because we're skint. Asset stripping to save the "company" from going into liquidation

He's being used by Amorim so there can't be that much of a problem.
 
Total garbage, Amorim has been working with him every day for two months, on the training pitch and on the football pitch.
He's shown a lack of discipline by releasing team news prior to the one hour before KO time.
That is a serious breach of trust.
Imagine if a soldier told the enemy about the positions of his forces, he would be thrown out with a dishonourable discharge.

I can assure you I do understand the role, I'm not one of those who learned man management from a book in a class, I learned through long and hard experience, I have learned to know who will respond to a bollocking, and who will respond to an arm around the shoulder, and when to apply it.
You are emotionally attached to Garnacho
, which is affecting your view, which means you would be a crap manager, you cannot afford to get emotionally attached to individuals, that is the first rule of management.
The teams have to be released earlier than an hour before now. It changed 6 month ago surprised being a manager whose so on top of everything and knowing everything about football you wasn't aware of that,

There is absolutely zero evidence that Garnacho has released anything. If you would get rid of someone on the basis of speculation then I hope you no longer employ anyone.

You have cast judgement on Garnacho without knowing anything speculated the above or believed rumours. Do you feel you may be a little emotionally attached to United as a whole and will defend them regardless. Everything we comment on regarding football has an emotional attachment. If we weren't emotionally involved we wouldn't give two fecks.

So if you're saying your opinion has no emotion involved i'd ask what the feck you're doing on a United forum.

I never learned anything management related in class. I done my A-Levels in Maths English and IT and then found myself a job whilst doing them and started part time and joined the day after I finished my final exam and done my degree on day release as an office junior and built myself up but again for the second time in two days you've made a silly judgement.

There isn't a rule in management that says you can't get emotionally attached to people. I've been upset when members of my team have left and thats perfectly fine. They were absolute assets to the team. If you don't have that ability to care emotionally about members of your team it's you that is the crap manager.

You literally sound like the archaic idiot that rants about back in my day and it's that thought process that is the reason the suicide rate amongst men is so high. Your thought process is about 40 years old and 'military' style.

However every member of my team is very happy with my management style and I know that because we don't do yearly one to ones we do them every 3 months and the first two questions are regarding their happiness. Personally and professionally. And then not only that but every 6 months people are asked to rank their head of team annonymously.

I work for the only company to appear in the top 50 companies to work for in the UK for both men and women for the last 4 years in a row and the only company to get two Kings awards in different catergorys. Just maybe we know what we are doing.

You strike me as the sort of person that would be angry at someone being 10 minutes late because they were struggling to get their kids to nursury and not understand the reason for it, Just go on about them being late.
 
How is it you you say ETH had no say over players since SJR arrived. Yet you're saying Amorim does?
The fact is, he's being sold because we're skint. Asset stripping to save the "company" from going into liquidation

He's being used by Amorim so there can't be that much of a problem.

I'm not blaming Amorim for Garnacho going. I'm saying he's given the people above an excuse. He's poorly used him.

I said before he joined it made no sense no one had made the system work in the country long term did I not? And i know Amorim won't be here in 24 months. Then a manager will come in that goes back to a 4 at the back. And uses wingers to stretch the field. And Garnacho will be a player we wished we had.

I'll ask you a very simple question and we'll see if we can get some honesty finally going on here.

What is your opinion on Amorim and the on pitch results since he's arrived?
 
I'm not blaming Amorim for Garnacho going. I'm saying he's given the people above an excuse. He's poorly used him.

I said before he joined it made no sense no one had made the system work in the country long term did I not? And i know Amorim won't be here in 24 months. Then a manager will come in that goes back to a 4 at the back. And uses wingers to stretch the field. And Garnacho will be a player we wished we had.

I'll ask you a very simple question and we'll see if we can get some honesty finally going on here.

What is your opinion on Amorim and the on pitch results since he's arrived?
My opinion is I refuse to judge him properly until he has some of these players to fit system
 
I'm not blaming Amorim for Garnacho going. I'm saying he's given the people above an excuse. He's poorly used him.
But you are saying you want the manager sacked before he's had a chance, not even had a window.

The sale of Garnacho is not on Amorim, the board have spent 600m in the last 2 seasons badly. this is why the players are up for sale, there is no money left. And like it or not, some of that is on ETH which adds to why he was the wrong manager, just to name two 2 really poor buys, Onana and Antony. Signed a load of his ex players thinking he could just do the same in the prem. And he couldn't adapt.

As for Amorim, on the face of it, he's had a really poor start.
The board hired a manager with a different style, thats not on him.

But you need to look at it properly. He's got a squad of players who were underperforming in a 433, terrible last season, terrible begining this season.
We don't know his system won't work, because he hasn't got the players to play it properly. And because the board historically, along with all the managers, made some really bad decisions in the market. It means we are left selling our academy players. That's not on Amorim either.

I see some things I like, we don't give possesion up so easily, Bruno especially, you can see in game he looks to do a stupid pass but stops himself. Our possesion is better. We have a system, albeit not the players to play it. So as a team, we are playing better, I don't mean results wise, I mean we are not a team of 11 individuals.

But yes, it's a terrible start, but until he has he players in, we cannot judge him.

Would I rather this than that was going on before, hell yes, because there is hope. Hope things will change. Because under the last coach there was no hope, 2.5 years in and heading further and further away from the top of the league. 14th when he left, 13th now. Some really enjoyable wins, with some horror shows.

But I expected that.

He needs at least 3 windows and a pre season.

If it turns out bad and we have to go back to 433, that's not on him so I am not going to beat him with that stick. It's known I did not want SJR and I predicted this awful running of the club would happen.

Garnacho, sad to see him go, he doesn't suit the system, we need money. Makes sense. He was pretty poor under ETH this season. And if the only club interested is Napoli, maybe he's not that good
 
The teams have to be released earlier than an hour before now. It changed 6 month ago surprised being a manager whose so on top of everything and knowing everything about football you wasn't aware of that,

There is absolutely zero evidence that Garnacho has released anything. If you would get rid of someone on the basis of speculation then I hope you no longer employ anyone.

You have cast judgement on Garnacho without knowing anything speculated the above or believed rumours. Do you feel you may be a little emotionally attached to United as a whole and will defend them regardless. Everything we comment on regarding football has an emotional attachment. If we weren't emotionally involved we wouldn't give two fecks.

So if you're saying your opinion has no emotion involved i'd ask what the feck you're doing on a United forum.

I never learned anything management related in class. I done my A-Levels in Maths English and IT and then found myself a job whilst doing them and started part time and joined the day after I finished my final exam and done my degree on day release as an office junior and built myself up but again for the second time in two days you've made a silly judgement.

There isn't a rule in management that says you can't get emotionally attached to people. I've been upset when members of my team have left and thats perfectly fine. They were absolute assets to the team. If you don't have that ability to care emotionally about members of your team it's you that is the crap manager.

You literally sound like the archaic idiot that rants about back in my day and it's that thought process that is the reason the suicide rate amongst men is so high. Your thought process is about 40 years old and 'military' style.

However every member of my team is very happy with my management style and I know that because we don't do yearly one to ones we do them every 3 months and the first two questions are regarding their happiness. Personally and professionally. And then not only that but every 6 months people are asked to rank their head of team annonymously.

I work for the only company to appear in the top 50 companies to work for in the UK for both men and women for the last 4 years in a row and the only company to get two Kings awards in different catergorys. Just maybe we know what we are doing.

You strike me as the sort of person that would be angry at someone being 10 minutes late because they were struggling to get their kids to nursury and not understand the reason for it, Just go on about them being late.
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But you are saying you want the manager sacked before he's had a chance, not even had a window.

The sale of Garnacho is not on Amorim, the board have spent 600m in the last 2 seasons badly. this is why the players are up for sale, there is no money left. And like it or not, some of that is on ETH which adds to why he was the wrong manager, just to name two 2 really poor buys, Onana and Antony. Signed a load of his ex players thinking he could just do the same in the prem. And he couldn't adapt.

As for Amorim, on the face of it, he's had a really poor start.
The board hired a manager with a different style, thats not on him.

But you need to look at it properly. He's got a squad of players who were underperforming in a 433, terrible last season, terrible begining this season.
We don't know his system won't work, because he hasn't got the players to play it properly. And because the board historically, along with all the managers, made some really bad decisions in the market. It means we are left selling our academy players. That's not on Amorim either.

I see some things I like, we don't give possesion up so easily, Bruno especially, you can see in game he looks to do a stupid pass but stops himself. Our possesion is better. We have a system, albeit not the players to play it. So as a team, we are playing better, I don't mean results wise, I mean we are not a team of 11 individuals.

But yes, it's a terrible start, but until he has he players in, we cannot judge him.

Would I rather this than that was going on before, hell yes, because there is hope. Hope things will change. Because under the last coach there was no hope, 2.5 years in and heading further and further away from the top of the league. 14th when he left, 13th now. Some really enjoyable wins, with some horror shows.

But I expected that.

He needs at least 3 windows and a pre season.

If it turns out bad and we have to go back to 433, that's not on him so I am not going to beat him with that stick. It's known I did not want SJR and I predicted this awful running of the club would happen.

Garnacho, sad to see him go, he doesn't suit the system, we need money. Makes sense. He was pretty poor under ETH this season. And if the only club interested is Napoli, maybe he's not that good
100% agree on all points.
 
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That is nowhere near enough.

As for Garnacho he hasn't really looked the same since the issue with the fan posting that video about him online. Up to that point his season was going ok but there was a lot more pressure and expectation on him which was a problem because we've put way to much pressure on the younger players in the squad.

It's almost like since that point he's decided he wants to go and maybe that is what's driving all of this. He feels that right now Utd isn't the best place for him to develop.
 
Only Amorim has the answers to this, he has obviously seen some thing that has made him decide that Garnacho doesn't fit into his system, maybe he's reviewed all the games he's played this season and that has helped him make the decision.
Maybe he has voiced these things to the board, and it's the boards decision to sell while he is worth the €60m that's being touted.
If his actions are disrupting the squad, maybe Amorim is making an example of him, if he is, it's one hell of a statement to make.
Ferguson did it with Beckham when he was arguably in his prime.

I think there's also a possibility that it's Garnacho who's thinking about leaving.
 
But you are saying you want the manager sacked before he's had a chance, not even had a window.

The sale of Garnacho is not on Amorim, the board have spent 600m in the last 2 seasons badly. this is why the players are up for sale, there is no money left. And like it or not, some of that is on ETH which adds to why he was the wrong manager, just to name two 2 really poor buys, Onana and Antony. Signed a load of his ex players thinking he could just do the same in the prem. And he couldn't adapt.

As for Amorim, on the face of it, he's had a really poor start.
The board hired a manager with a different style, thats not on him.

But you need to look at it properly. He's got a squad of players who were underperforming in a 433, terrible last season, terrible begining this season.
We don't know his system won't work, because he hasn't got the players to play it properly. And because the board historically, along with all the managers, made some really bad decisions in the market. It means we are left selling our academy players. That's not on Amorim either.

I see some things I like, we don't give possesion up so easily, Bruno especially, you can see in game he looks to do a stupid pass but stops himself. Our possesion is better. We have a system, albeit not the players to play it. So as a team, we are playing better, I don't mean results wise, I mean we are not a team of 11 individuals.

But yes, it's a terrible start, but until he has he players in, we cannot judge him.

Would I rather this than that was going on before, hell yes, because there is hope. Hope things will change. Because under the last coach there was no hope, 2.5 years in and heading further and further away from the top of the league. 14th when he left, 13th now. Some really enjoyable wins, with some horror shows.

But I expected that.

He needs at least 3 windows and a pre season.

If it turns out bad and we have to go back to 433, that's not on him so I am not going to beat him with that stick. It's known I did not want SJR and I predicted this awful running of the club would happen.

Garnacho, sad to see him go, he doesn't suit the system, we need money. Makes sense. He was pretty poor under ETH this season. And if the only club interested is Napoli, maybe he's not that good
Nice post. Plenty to agree on. I would be very surprised if Amorim can get the players he wants in the next few transfer windows. The club is in real trouble finacially and that's why they are selling academy players and some of our best assets. Rashford looks like Dortmund - which would be good for him. Garnacho to Napoli or Chelsea (you'd hope Napoli and not a supposed rival - although not anymore ha ha).

Maybe Amorim can turn it around. I remember Danny Murphy on Match of the Day after his first gaem v Ipswich saying his system will not work in the PL and United won't be playing that way in a year... we shall see
 
But you are saying you want the manager sacked before he's had a chance, not even had a window.

The sale of Garnacho is not on Amorim, the board have spent 600m in the last 2 seasons badly. this is why the players are up for sale, there is no money left. And like it or not, some of that is on ETH which adds to why he was the wrong manager, just to name two 2 really poor buys, Onana and Antony. Signed a load of his ex players thinking he could just do the same in the prem. And he couldn't adapt.

As for Amorim, on the face of it, he's had a really poor start.
The board hired a manager with a different style, thats not on him.

But you need to look at it properly. He's got a squad of players who were underperforming in a 433, terrible last season, terrible begining this season.
We don't know his system won't work, because he hasn't got the players to play it properly. And because the board historically, along with all the managers, made some really bad decisions in the market. It means we are left selling our academy players. That's not on Amorim either.

I see some things I like, we don't give possesion up so easily, Bruno especially, you can see in game he looks to do a stupid pass but stops himself. Our possesion is better. We have a system, albeit not the players to play it. So as a team, we are playing better, I don't mean results wise, I mean we are not a team of 11 individuals.

But yes, it's a terrible start, but until he has he players in, we cannot judge him.

Would I rather this than that was going on before, hell yes, because there is hope. Hope things will change. Because under the last coach there was no hope, 2.5 years in and heading further and further away from the top of the league. 14th when he left, 13th now. Some really enjoyable wins, with some horror shows.

But I expected that.

He needs at least 3 windows and a pre season.

If it turns out bad and we have to go back to 433, that's not on him so I am not going to beat him with that stick. It's known I did not want SJR and I predicted this awful running of the club would happen.

Garnacho, sad to see him go, he doesn't suit the system, we need money. Makes sense. He was pretty poor under ETH this season. And if the only club interested is Napoli, maybe he's not that good

Managers have to show themselves to be adaptable. At the moment Amorim is showing no signs of this. How anyone saw the Southampton or Brighton games and thought we've seen signs of improvement genuinely shocks me. We've been the worst we've been post Ferguson since Amorim arrived. To come in and strip the club of it's best youngsters because it doesn't suit a system we won't be playing come the end of next season shows just how badly run this club is from top to bottom. As I said when we sacked Ten Hag there needs to be long term thinking in place. Removing the wingers from this squad for an 18 month experiment is foolish.

Garnacho wasn't poor under ETH. Again we are rewriting what actually happened. He came back from an extended international period late and was being eased in to the season but was still our brightest attacking spark. Come on and got the goal vs City. Should have had the winner vs Brighton and has barely played but a full 90 and mainly featured as a sub until ETH final 3 games. Against Brentford he was motm.

Bruno has been our best player for seasons nothing has changed in his football under Amorim except you prefer the manager so give him more leaway.

But this is the big difference I see absolutely zero hope. The formation doesn't work in this country. No one has made it work for sustained success and Amorim doesn't look like he's going to try and adapt to the fact he's in a new country anytime soon. You mention these exciting wins. Since he come in we've won 3 league games. We beat Everton with our best performance under him. We beat City thanks to two defensive mistakes and we've beaten the worst premier league team in history thanks to Amad taking over the game late on when he pushed up as a winger in what was a truly awful performance.

We were 12th when Amorim came in. Now 13th. Ruud the only manager having a decent time of it. The gap to 4th when Amorim came in was 6. It's now 14

I'm glad to see your optimistic. But I wasn't around in the 80's and this is the worst i've ever seen United playing and I see little room for optimism. The continuous sackings of managers has drained me and I know we will be stuck in this shit cycle. Another 18 months wasted. I agree upstairs are the biggest problem. They deviate attention from them to the manager. Sack the manager and people ignore them screwing up for 3 months. I said when you were hounding out ETH. You're looking in the wrong direction.
 
Maybe Amorim can turn it around. I remember Danny Murphy on Match of the Day after his first gaem v Ipswich saying his system will not work in the PL and United won't be playing that way in a year... we shall see

If Danny Murphy is right then Amorim won't be Man Utd manager in a year.

He isn't going to change, the same way Pep won't change and his first season wasn't great but he was able to bring in the missing pieces to click it all together.

He might make some small adaptions to suit the premier league but it's going to be a back 3.
 
Managers have to show themselves to be adaptable. At the moment Amorim is showing no signs of this. How anyone saw the Southampton or Brighton games and thought we've seen signs of improvement genuinely shocks me. We've been the worst we've been post Ferguson since Amorim arrived. To come in and strip the club of it's best youngsters because it doesn't suit a system we won't be playing come the end of next season shows just how badly run this club is from top to bottom. As I said when we sacked Ten Hag there needs to be long term thinking in place. Removing the wingers from this squad for an 18 month experiment is foolish.

Garnacho wasn't poor under ETH. Again we are rewriting what actually happened. He came back from an extended international period late and was being eased in to the season but was still our brightest attacking spark. Come on and got the goal vs City. Should have had the winner vs Brighton and has barely played but a full 90 and mainly featured as a sub until ETH final 3 games. Against Brentford he was motm.

Bruno has been our best player for seasons nothing has changed in his football under Amorim except you prefer the manager so give him more leaway.

But this is the big difference I see absolutely zero hope. The formation doesn't work in this country. No one has made it work for sustained success and Amorim doesn't look like he's going to try and adapt to the fact he's in a new country anytime soon. You mention these exciting wins. Since he come in we've won 3 league games. We beat Everton with our best performance under him. We beat City thanks to two defensive mistakes and we've beaten the worst premier league team in history thanks to Amad taking over the game late on when he pushed up as a winger in what was a truly awful performance.

We were 12th when Amorim came in. Now 13th. Ruud the only manager having a decent time of it. The gap to 4th when Amorim came in was 6. It's now 14

I'm glad to see your optimistic. But I wasn't around in the 80's and this is the worst i've ever seen United playing and I see little room for optimism. The continuous sackings of managers has drained me and I know we will be stuck in this shit cycle. Another 18 months wasted. I agree upstairs are the biggest problem. They deviate attention from them to the manager. Sack the manager and people ignore them screwing up for 3 months. I said when you were hounding out ETH. You're looking in the wrong direction.
Mystic Meg strikes again, can you give me next weeks Euro Millions numbers?
You should have been around in the late sixties and seventies, then again perhaps not, you'd be in a psychiatric ward.

But you are correct, the football hasn't improved, even with super Garnacho on the field, and again you are right Amad and possibly Mainoo, are the only shining lights in what is a poor and failing squad of players, a squad of players that were mainly purchased by the previous poor and failing management team and directors.
Do you see a trend here.
There are some of us that realise you cannot make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. It also needs time to cook.
Ok INEOS have made a few mistakes, they gave ETH time, a new contract to show they had some faith in him, they gave him money to spend on players, as discussed before that is the art of management, but after all that, he was still failing, now you expect a new manager to come in with the same players, and turn things around in a couple of months?
You are the one with the crystal ball, tell us what position in the league do you think we would be in if we had kept ETH, the truth is you don;t know, and anything you say is a guess.
Back in the day we had a term for fans with your mindset.
 
The continuous sacking of managers is nothing to do with ETH being a poor manager, which he was and was rightly sacked, albeit too late.

Amorim needs time, why should he change, the board saw what they liked, I assume they chatted and discussed this is the way forward. Whether that is right or wrong, it's way too early to judge given the players he has. The whole squad needed changing because they couldn't play the last system anyway, so it makes no difference really.
 
If Danny Murphy is right then Amorim won't be Man Utd manager in a year.

He isn't going to change, the same way Pep won't change and his first season wasn't great but he was able to bring in the missing pieces to click it all together.

He might make some small adaptions to suit the premier league but it's going to be a back 3.
He definitely comes across as a "My way or the highway" type of manager.
Just remind me, how many teams has Danny Murphy managed to a league title?
 
The continuous sacking of managers is nothing to do with ETH being a poor manager, which he was and was rightly sacked, albeit too late.

Amorim needs time, why should he change, the board saw what they liked, I assume they chatted and discussed this is the way forward. Whether that is right or wrong, it's way too early to judge given the players he has. The whole squad needed changing because they couldn't play the last system anyway, so it makes no difference really.
Not according to @IDFD they just plucked him out of thin air, didn't interview him, didn't ask any searching questions about style of play, discipline or training methods, they just took him on at face value.
 
If Danny Murphy is right then Amorim won't be Man Utd manager in a year.

He isn't going to change, the same way Pep won't change and his first season wasn't great but he was able to bring in the missing pieces to click it all together.

He might make some small adaptions to suit the premier league but it's going to be a back 3.
That’s the key thing, he is probably realising that he may need to make small adaptions but with the players he has at his disposal can he trust them?

The suggestion that a back 3 isn’t going to work because it never has in the league is not correct. While the top teams may have not all utilised it consistently, plenty of other teams have and done fine.

Glasner came in at Palace last year and played it and got them ticking. He had the luck of having Eze and Olise bang in form but that 3 at the back and allowing the wing backs some freedom helped them no end.

I would strongly bet that Amorim will outlast any of the managers since Fergie retired.
 
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£100m please

How many wingers do they need?
 
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What’s the price for Spurs?

£150m… £200m?

See how Levy likes it.

Anyway the latest from the manager sounds like he’s got the reaction he wanted from him and wants him to stay.
 
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Suggests that we are paying him a lot more in wages than Napoli are prepared to pay, which sort of sums up Uniteds wages policy in a nutshell

He’s not in massive money at Utd but the next contract he signs with us or another club will put him on a lot more.
 

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