Garnacho to leave?

You have to assume they'll be looking to re-invest that money straight away if they can.

They could decide to just leave the squad light this season and almost "tank" this season and use that money in the summer when there's more players available and probably at better prices.

Still think with this sale it's likely the players that come in would only be loan signings.
 
the facts are, they've hired a new manager, and he doesn't fit the system.

Whether the manager appointment was a mistake we will know in time. But no point keeping players that can't play his system
 
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Sounds like he wants to go.

Napoli would be a decent move for him they've created the spot in the team with Kvara going to PSG.

It really looks like this one is happening.

Personally think it's a bit mad to sell him mid season unless we've got replacements lined up as we're horribly short of goals.
Door ajar to Osimhen negotiations?
 
I think the hard facts are that if we sell Garnacho for £60m we will be able to invest that three fold in new players. So we could easily bring in a new striker, new wing back and probably another player or two because of it.

So while I wouldn’t want to lose him it could be for the greater good especially if he has made waves about wanting to leave.
 
Translation:

Garnacho meeting in progress #
Napoli - Manchester United to reach a solution that satisfies everyone.

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Oh yeah it started with Sanchez in 2018
Not the £90m world record signing of Pogba?

Or the £60m on Di Maria a British Record at the time.

Ten Hag isn't to blame got thr failures or those above him that repeatedly got it wrong time after time.

Losing Garnacho will be heartbreaking. Our most exciting player and he's 20 and has the ability to go on to become one of the very top players in the world. Devastating that we'd even contemplate selling him.
 
Not the £90m world record signing of Pogba?

Or the £60m on Di Maria a British Record at the time.

Ten Hag isn't to blame got thr failures or those above him that repeatedly got it wrong time after time.

Losing Garnacho will be heartbreaking. Our most exciting player and he's 20 and has the ability to go on to become one of the very top players in the world. Devastating that we'd even contemplate selling him.
He's a mercenary, he only came to United on the back of a bribe, if Real Madrid had come in for him on the same deal, where do you think he would have gone.
 
I think the hard facts are that if we sell Garnacho for £60m we will be able to invest that three fold in new players. So we could easily bring in a new striker, new wing back and probably another player or two because of it.

So while I wouldn’t want to lose him it could be for the greater good especially if he has made waves about wanting to leave.
Yeah that's how I'm trying to see it too
 
He's a mercenary, he only came to United on the back of a bribe, if Real Madrid had come in for him on the same deal, where do you think he would have gone.
Doesn't change the fact we've developed him and we are letting a young talent go.
 
Yeah of course he’s not failing, that’s just a strange opinion.

He’s still a young guy learning his game and he has had so much responsibility on his shoulders and was basically ran into the ground by ETH.

I think he’s a talented lad but I wouldn’t say he’s got elite potential as his fledging career has progressed. Has many good traits but I don’t think technically he’s amazing but it would be hard to see him leave especially if he does take his game to the next level.

I think if we could get £60m for him now then I think it’s a good deal to be honest. He could turn out to be special but he could also be someone who has a good career but not a great one - someone like Januzaj comes to mind who looked like he was going to be great but never truly kicked on to the next level.
 
I like him, sad to see him go. But he doesn't suit the new manager so why keep him.

At the end of the day, most of these players have had their chance, and muffed it.

We can't keep saying, Bruno is excellent, Maguire is good, Martinez, Hojlund etc. We wouldn't change the squad

They've all had a chance and proved to be failures. They should be playing like their futures depend on it. Yet they're not.
 
You can't preach at people who wanted ETH out after an awful 2.5 years and then say they new guy should go.
You're shooting your high horse
 
What's he failing at?

You've had a few strange opinions since you've joined. Work for SJR?
His job, like a lot of the others, if he and the rest of the team were better at what they do, we wouldn't be in our lowest league position for heaven knows how may years.
I don't have "strange" opinions, I've worked in management, I run my own (successful) business, if employees don't reach standards, they go, it's as simple as that, because of that I tend to be pragmatic, I was also in the military, performance was key, obeying orders was key, adaptability was key, he shows none of these traits.
 
You can't preach at people who wanted ETH out after an awful 2.5 years and then say they new guy should go.
You're shooting your high horse
I joined the gang.

I want a new manager every week. Different systems. Maybe pay £10k a game to be the manager. Raise money.
 
His job, like a lot of the others, if he and the rest of the team were better at what they do, we wouldn't be in our lowest league position for heaven knows how may years.
I don't have "strange" opinions, I've worked in management, I run my own (successful) business, if employees don't reach standards, they go, it's as simple as that, because of that I tend to be pragmatic, I was also in the military, performance was key, obeying orders was key, adaptability was key, he shows none of these traits.
Another strange post. Not sure what you do that can realistically relate to a footballing environment. I don't think that anyone that worked in the military would ever compare it to being a 20 yr old footballer.

I run a team of 13. When I joined I didn't deem any of them surplus to requirements in a few months. I educated them on my ways of working and formed a fantastic bond. No anger no examples made. But I also had to understand them as a team and understand how they worked.

Amorim has performed poorly as a manager so far. Surprised you can't even acknowledge that. Especially with a military background. The manager is the first to be called out for poor performance.
 
Do you judge your apprentices performance to the same standard as an experienced worker? Of course you don’t you give young people the chance to make mistakes and put protection measures in place so that those mistakes don’t impact your business.
 
Another strange post. I don't think anyone that worked in the military would ever compare it to being a 20 yr old footballer.
Then you don't understand the meaning of discipline, or what an allegory is.
If an officer tells you to do something, you adapt, you change, and you do it, if a football coach tells you to do something, you do it simple really.
One other thing is that I support the club, I don't get emotionally attached to players, like everyone else, they get paid, (in United's case) very well to kick a bag of wind around.
I also find calling someone's post strange, because you don't understand or comprehend it, very concerning.
 
Do you judge your apprentices performance to the same standard as an experienced worker? Of course you don’t you give young people the chance to make mistakes and put protection measures in place so that those mistakes don’t impact your business.

Spot on.

And those apprentices are the future of your company if you manage them correctly.

It takes a good manager to make sure you don't lose them to others. Because they'll be getting offers regardless of industry.
 
Do you judge your apprentices performance to the same standard as an experienced worker? Of course you don’t you give young people the chance to make mistakes and put protection measures in place so that those mistakes don’t impact your business.
It all depends on what stage of their training they are in, and their attitude to the job, other staff and management. If for instance I ran a company that was producing products for a high profile client, and they were posting pictures and information all over social media, then yes they would be shown the door.
In the same way, if they were told and shown how to do something, but insisted on doing it their way, then again, they would be shown the door.
I have protection measures, they are stringent, and have to be adhered to, experienced staff are there to make sure that proper working practices are being followed, and of course they get chances, however you can only give someone so many chances before you have to act.
If an apprentice fails, we all take it seriously, we blame ourselves as much as the person leaving, we feel we have failed.
 
It all depends on what stage of their training they are in, and their attitude to the job, other staff and management. If for instance I ran a company that was producing products for a high profile client, and they were posting pictures and information all over social media, then yes they would be shown the door.
In the same way, if they were told and shown how to do something, but insisted on doing it their way, then again, they would be shown the door.
I have protection measures, they are stringent, and have to be adhered to, experienced staff are there to make sure that proper working practices are being followed, and of course they get chances, however you can only give someone so many chances before you have to act.
If an apprentice fails, we all take it seriously, we blame ourselves as much as the person leaving, we feel we have failed.
If you had an elite apprentice who'd been showing he's top of his class for 4 years and then you hired a new manager for him and two months later the manager wanted to get rid of him. Who would you deem the issue?
 
Spot on.

And those apprentices are the future of your company if you manage them correctly.

It takes a good manager to make sure you don't lose them to others. Because they'll be getting offers regardless of industry.
And that is why I am a manager, I have to recognise when someone isn't up to the standards I expect, if I kept every apprentice on that didn't make those standards I'd have more employees than I need.
You are basically saying that if a an apprentice continually fails his tests, practical and theory, I should keep him on.
By your logic we should scrap the driving test and just let people drive around, standards are there for a reason, and the reason United are in the shit they are in is because those standards set by Ferguson have slipped, and even he let apprentices who didn't make the grade go.
 
And that is why I am a manager, I have to recognise when someone isn't up to the standards I expect, if I kept every apprentice on that didn't make those standards I'd have more employees than I need.
You are basically saying that if a an apprentice continually fails his tests, practical and theory, I should keep him on.
By your logic we should scrap the driving test and just let people drive around, standards are there for a reason, and the reason United are in the shit they are in is because those standards set by Ferguson have slipped, and even he let apprentices who didn't make the grade go.
Not at all. We have a history of this apprentice passing each and every test. He's an elite apprentice. Suddenly it doesn't work.

You fail to recognise he may not be the issue. Which makes you a poor manager of his manager.

Also any manager that thinks they can judge someone's performance that quickly and not understand they are adjusting an environment also fails themselves and the apprentice.

Being a manager doesn't make you special. There are far too many managers out there that don't understand the role. Being a good manager involves being adaptable, understanding the individual and making sure you can adjust as much as you expect them to and working together.

But your military background gives you fundamentals that don't allow you to have to have the ability to grasp that.
 
If you had an elite apprentice who'd been showing he's top of his class for 4 years and then you hired a new manager for him and two months later the manager wanted to get rid of him. Who would you deem the issue?
If I had employed that manager to change the systems of working for some reason, and the apprentice is not making the required effort, is giving away information to rivals, then the apprentice would go.
Lets talk team sheets, if a team sheet is released on social media, ten minutes before, it is presented to the media and officials, that allows your opponents manager to make changes to his team, giving him an advantage, but I'll bet you never even considered that.
Which is why I am in management and you are probably not, you have to see the wider picture, that's what good managers do.
What's more important to you, the club (Company) or the apprentice?
I know which is more important to me.
You will find this decision easier if you don't get emotionally attached to players.
 
It all depends on what stage of their training they are in, and their attitude to the job, other staff and management. If for instance I ran a company that was producing products for a high profile client, and they were posting pictures and information all over social media, then yes they would be shown the door.
In the same way, if they were told and shown how to do something, but insisted on doing it their way, then again, they would be shown the door.
I have protection measures, they are stringent, and have to be adhered to, experienced staff are there to make sure that proper working practices are being followed, and of course they get chances, however you can only give someone so many chances before you have to act.
If an apprentice fails, we all take it seriously, we blame ourselves as much as the person leaving, we feel we have failed.

There’s so many points in here that we just don’t know about Garnacho. I certainly think there are some areas where he needs to mature little bit and probably get his little brother to keep a lid on what he gets up to as well.

He achieved an incredibly high performance level in his first and second years.

His third year hasn’t gone as well you’ve put a new person in as his line manager who’s asking him to do things a different way. Surely he deserves a bit of grace and adjustment time.

The doing it his own way if that’s what he’s been told to do and it’s got results convincing him to change that because a new guy is giving him a new job is always going to take a bit of time.

My view here is if Garnacho wants to go then let him go but if he wants to stay he’s earned a little more time.

To say he’s failing to me is incredibly harsh.
 
Not at all. We have a history of this apprentice passing each and every test. He's an elite apprentice. Suddenly it doesn't work.

You fail to recognise he may not be the issue. Which makes you a poor manager of his manager.

Also any manager that thinks they can judge someone's performance that quickly and not understand they are adjusting an environment also fails themselves and the apprentice.

Being a manager doesn't make you special. There are far too many managers out there that don't understand the role. Being a good manager involves being adaptable, understanding the individual and making sure you can adjust as much as you expect them to and working together.

But your military background gives you fundamentals that don't allow you to have to have the ability to grasp that.
Total garbage, Amorim has been working with him every day for two months, on the training pitch and on the football pitch.
He's shown a lack of discipline by releasing team news prior to the one hour before KO time.
That is a serious breach of trust.
Imagine if a soldier told the enemy about the positions of his forces, he would be thrown out with a dishonourable discharge.

I can assure you I do understand the role, I'm not one of those who learned man management from a book in a class, I learned through long and hard experience, I have learned to know who will respond to a bollocking, and who will respond to an arm around the shoulder, and when to apply it.
You are emotionally attached to Garnacho, which is affecting your view, which means you would be a crap manager, you cannot afford to get emotionally attached to individuals, that is the first rule of management.
 

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