Erik ten Hag | United trigger contract extension

JammyRed said:
He’s going, who they get next is the main issue.
Failure after failure, the only difference now is the club has a proper board, it’s going to take someone very special to manage us now.
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What exactly have this board done to show you they're a proper board? They're the ones who decided ETH was the right man. You disgaree. They're the ones who signed off on the summer signings you've been critical of. What exactly have they done to be so great. Cos i'm getting fed up with hearing we have this great board and then being critical of ETH. You either think they're great in which case you think they were right extending ETH deal or you think in the only major decision they've had to make so far they totally failed and are inept. It can't work both ways.
 
Sorry I came 8th, but I did win the Copa del rey isn't going to work in Spain

so far, the new board have been awful
 
I don't think we can really say how good the new board is it's way to early for that.

They stuck with ETH after looking for a replacement and not finding a suitable one, once you come to that decision you've got to back him.

Doesn't mean a few months down the line if a better candidate suddenly becomes available that you can't change your mind.
 
jsp said:
I don't think we can really say how good the new board is it's way to early for that.

They stuck with ETH after looking for a replacement and not finding a suitable one, once you come to that decision you've got to back him.

Doesn't mean a few months down the line if a better candidate suddenly becomes available that you can't change your mind.
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Which new candidate is available that wasn't then other than Southgate?
 
IDFD said:
Which new candidate is available that wasn't then other than Southgate?
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Managers settlement packages with previous clubs can stop them from taking work at other clubs or can make it more difficult, Utd maybe didn't want to cough up any potential compensation to candidates.

Some managers might just feel like they need a break but might now be interested.

It certainly seems like Potter is putting himself back in the shop window - not sure he's for us to be honest but I do think he's a good manager just moved at the wrong time.

We don't really know what the situation is with Tuchel and how those talks went in the summer.

Nagelsmann was in the middle of the Euros with Germany he then extended his deal but maybe he could be talked into it. There's Spalleti who I think is still with Italy. I would guess getting a manager out of a national team is going to be easier than getting one out of a club.

Not sure if that 20m euro release clause that was being talked about for Amorin at Sporting still applies but who knows.

With the exception of Tuchel I don't think there's an obvious answer as he's the only top manager I can think of with a credible CV who's out of work. Allegri is out of work but not sure he's the guy either.

Then there's Southgate but I've never really believed the hype around that link myself.
 
IDFD said:
What exactly have this board done to show you they're a proper board? They're the ones who decided ETH was the right man. You disgaree. They're the ones who signed off on the summer signings you've been critical of. What exactly have they done to be so great. Cos i'm getting fed up with hearing we have this great board and then being critical of ETH. You either think they're great in which case you think they were right extending ETH deal or you think in the only major decision they've had to make so far they totally failed and are inept. It can't work both ways.
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Well they have people on the board with sports/ football background so that’s a big improvement on the previous lot, they took a gamble keeping ETH which hasn’t worked going on the pathetic results but they had to see what he could do without the injuries excuse from last season. Another reason they stayed with ETH was the lack of other suitable replacements in the summer, the signings they brought in haven’t looked good so far but that could be down to ETH.
If these signings still look average under the next man the club has more problems to solve.
That’s how I see it.
 
JammyRed said:
Well they have people on the board with sports/ football background so that’s a big improvement on the previous lot, they took a gamble keeping ETH which hasn’t worked going on the pathetic results but they had to see what he could do without the injuries excuse from last season. Another reason they stayed with ETH was the lack of other suitable replacements in the summer, the signings they brought in haven’t looked good so far but that could be down to ETH.
If these signings still look average under the next man the club has more problems to solve.
That’s how I see it.
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Again this hasn't changed.
 
To be honest unless things go really badly and we were hammered 4 or 5 nil by Villa I don't think he goes even if we lose.
 
I think he's got a bit of time left to turn it around if you look at it from an internal point of view - they'll still want him to succeed as do most of the proper fans, but the time is now for him, there are no more free years of invincibility and his stupid comments about judgement at the end of the season are crazy. There is no way they're going to give him that long regardless of imminent results. He has to start picking up points and climbing up the table now, if he does not he'll be sacked.

I think he's one string of poor results away from finished if you reset the count after Aston Villa.

One more bad defeat at Old Trafford against non-elite competition could also end his tenure.
 
Why are the managers in general continually failing?
Is there something going on that’s not obvious to us looking in from the outside?
Is it the pressure of playing and managing for United a massive burden ?
Something isn’t adding up.
 
JammyRed said:
Why are the managers in general continually failing?
Is there something going on that’s not obvious to us looking in from the outside?
Is it the pressure of playing and managing for United a massive burden ?
Something isn’t adding up.
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Finally the right questions being asked. A massive part of it is impatience of fans and repeating the cycle of sacking managers constantly when we aren't set up to do so.
 
IDFD said:
Finally the right questions being asked. A massive part of it is impatience of fans and repeating the cycle of sacking managers constantly when we aren't set up to do so.
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I think you put a lot of emphasis on the fans being the main reason why managers are being sacked but I don’t think that’s the case at all. Obviously unrest from fans may play a slight part but I think it is a very small reason - the results of lack of them on the pitch is the main reason.

I am all for giving managers a chance but if it’s not working it’s not working. If there are clear signs of progress then yeah give them a chance but if the signs aren’t there then it’s tough to make a case for keeping.
 
I guess the thing is now we are setup to do that. The new regime should allow us to change manager quicker and more seamlessly.

The board will dictate the United Way now not the managers.

Everything around the manager is being freshened up to help improve performance.

A manager though survives on results and he’s had plenty of slack given over the last 12 months.

In Europe it’s now 1 win in 10 games and in the league it’s something like 6 wins in 20 games.

We are not far off relegation form over the last half a season worth of games. That isn’t just underperforming it’s catastrophic.

He has to fix this quickly if he can’t play his perfect system/style then he needs to adapt to what he has until he can.
 
A large part of why he's so hard to like is his personality on the whole - I think it's very important in such an elevated position in football to either have a very strong way about you, but with results, or be the guy people can like and have a bit of understanding for by just being real. He is neither.

He would gain a lot from me if he just took ownership of some things, and didn't act like he knows entirely what he's doing. I think that is what riles the media too. Just be a bit more human. It goes a long way. All of this talk about no judgement now is very boring. Perhaps tell the world you don't know why it's going wrong right now, but you're trying to fix it; that you have plans to try something new, or just something that isn't an automated bullshiit statement. This stuff just isn't going to wash any more, he's now put himself under the cosh with no friends backing him, and it's all on him.

I agree though - fans cannot be a massive factor in any of it. They don't have any real effect on results or ultimately whether a coach is sacked or not. I've said it before, we're just background noise that confirms the feeling in the room.

The only person who takes this to the extreme is IDFD, who seems to think people like me single handedly sack managers and it's completely crazy levels of not understanding what is really going on. ETH is digging his own grave with bulldozers because he refuses to show weakness. In my view that is not a strong person. True character is telling the truth in hard situations and if he did that the only thing I would have for him is sympathy and thanks for trying to do one of the hardest jobs on the planet.
 
SuperRash said:
I think you put a lot of emphasis on the fans being the main reason why managers are being sacked but I don’t think that’s the case at all.
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I think it's probably the biggest reason the board are scared of the fans turning on them and want to keep focus on the manager and seen to be doing what's right by the fans so the fans don't focus on what they're doing wrong.
 
I don’t think it’s unfair for fans to expect the team to be a lot better than it currently is.

I don’t expect him to be challenging for the title but we should at least look organised and have a shape.

If he had us looking solid at the back or ripping through teams up top you might feel he’s half way there but currently there’s little evidence of either.
 
I think united give managers more chances than most clubs.

No way a manager survives 8th and awful performances at any other top club. Regardless of a cup win

Can we stop the proper fans stuff. Just because some fans think he's terrible, that doesn't mean they aren't proper fans.

And I agree he doesn't help himself spouting off like everything is fine

But I also think he'll survive a whooping on Sunday. I think he's got until Christmas
 
He`s done the right there Sir Jim brought people in to do the hiring and firing its not his call.
 
Mr C said:
I think united give managers more chances than most clubs.
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And it's this that gave us 2 decades of glory. Managers being able to create their foundations and then build upon it before being judged not just out the door.

And cup victories have saved many a manager. To say otherwise especially in the history of United makes little sense.

Jose, LVG and Ten Hag aren't poor managers. Arteta isn't a better manager than any of them however at Arsenal they've left him to build a squad in his making and given him time to let it all come together. I think people miss how massive a thing that is.
 
It also gave us a 20 year gap between title wins under Busby and Fergie.

Sticking with a manager is only the right choice if you are certain you’ve got the right man. Sticking with the wrong man to long will only dig you into a deeper hole.

Not every manager deserves time. Credit to Arsenal for sticking with Arteta they accepted he needed a few years to gut the squad and rebuild. Ten hag has had that time now so this needs to start looking like the start of something exciting which right now it doesn’t.

Flip flopping between style is not the answer that is what’s killed us for the last decade. We haven’t even got close to a title in the last decade.

For this to work we need Ashworth, Wilcox and ETH all aligned to the same vision of how we get back to the top. If the two of them don’t 100% trust ETH then he needs to go.

For the right now ETH has got to adapt his tactics to get results and put some points on the board if he wants to keep his job. That is the only way he will get fans back onside.
 
Dickens Cider said:
And if he stops buying crap players.
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Well the suggestion is it’s no longer him selecting the players.

With all these new execs for me the finger points at them for signings now not the manager.

It’s his job to play the hand he’s dealt now.

Part of next summer will have to be sorting out the midfield. The signings so far in that area have been a disaster. Casemiro, Eriksen and Mount between them cost 120m and probably around £700k a week in wages and none of them contribute.

He needs Ugarte to settle in quickly this season.

They’ve got to buy 2 or 3 good quality midfield players. If there’s any money for January it has to go there.
 
I think Zirkzee, being Dutch, was probably his choice.
So many if these players will be out the door under a new manager, and that's tragic after spending 600m
 
I dunno Zirkzee was a relatively cheap striker that a few clubs were sniffing around. He was close to joining Milan before hoping us.

I don’t think we had a massive budget to spend on a striker in the summer.

Hojlund is the one we really need to kick on and come good
 
So he’s going to get a little bit longer for you guys. What a waste of everyone’s time he isn’t turning it around.
 
0-0 would be considered a decent result at Villa but in the context of the season did United need to win for Ten Hag to keep his job?
 
He's got to go

We didn't even try to attack in that game

The whole place needs a reset and a change
 
This team is under performing to a vast level.

He needs to go. But I don't think they will
 
He should be sacked for wanting £90 million Antony, it’s scandalous.
Worst ever start to a season.
 

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