Erik ten Hag | United trigger contract extension

IDFD said:
I dont think thats realistic. At this moment is it realistically one of the top 3 jobs in the league let alone the world.

One of the biggest clubs in the world yes. Top club to manage? We aren't even in the elite tier right now in them terms.
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The point was there are only 3 or 4 "mega clubs" in world football and Utd are one of them. Madrid/Barca/Utd/Liverpool I think sit at a level above anyone else in the game.

We might be an absolute mess at the moment but this job doesn't come up very often so if you get the chance to take them most people will take it.

Nagelsmann if he's thinking long term would probably be wise to swerve it as while Utd could be the job that establishes you as one of the greats it's also a way of destroying your reputation if it goes wrong.

At the moment this is the toughest job in world football 10 years ago that was probably the Liverpool job. Utd are now over 10 years without a league title and they aren't anywhere near it at the moment.
 
I don't think it'll be Southgate I think people are jumping to way to many conclusions about his relationship with some of our directors.

They aren't going to put someone in charge who the fans clearly don't want.

If we make a change this will be the first management appointment of the new regime I think they'll go for the big name with the CV to back it up which will be Tuchel if he wants it.
 
Sounds like the press have been briefed that he isn't getting sacked.

My guess is they're letting him have Porto and Villa then they'll sack him surely the club will be starting to make plans for a change.
 
yeah, Gaz Drinkwter (?) on R5 is saying exactly that, and if he goes it will be Ruud
 
Think Gaz Drinkwater works for BBC Radio Manchester.

Utd have apparently just said to the press enquiries it's business as usual for them.

You have to imagine the directors are at least having the conversation about how this goes forward as it can't keep going on the way it's going.

I keep hearing this Ruud interim idea and I just don't see it if ETH goes then his coaches go with him and from what's reported it was ETH decision to bring in Ruud.
 
Why does ETH keep playing one DM while we always get overrun there? Time and again? I think like Ole, tactics is where he has lost the players. They know that what he is doing is not winning them matches while smaller clubs in name play a much better football.
Why couldn't someone bring the Spurs player down? It is not rocket science that he could not waltz thru our midfield like a prime Maradona.
 
jsp said:
Think Gaz Drinkwater works for BBC Radio Manchester.

Utd have apparently just said to the press enquiries it's business as usual for them.

You have to imagine the directors are at least having the conversation about how this goes forward as it can't keep going on the way it's going.

I keep hearing this Ruud interim idea and I just don't see it if ETH goes then his coaches go with him and from what's reported it was ETH decision to bring in Ruud.
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I guess it’s probably a standard response to questions about a managers future, they won’t let on that it’s up for debate.

If we do decide to move on then it probably has to be a clean slate with someone new and a totally new coaching team. We need someone with a huge personality to take on this challenge, I fear the likes of McKenna and Carrick just won’t have what it takes right now to lead this club.

I’ve scratched around in my mind for who is the outstanding candidate and I struggle to be 100% confident in any of them. If we are looking at the EPL then the outstanding candidate would be Emery with Thomas Frank being an interesting option.

Then you look outside of the EPL at someone like Ruben Amorim but can he make the leap to the big leagues?

This is not a Slot situation at Liverpool where he inherited still a top quality squad. This is someone that needs to come in and perform major surgery on how we play, our mentality and rebuild the confidence of fans. It’s no mean feat!
 
SuperRash said:
I guess it’s probably a standard response to questions about a managers future, they won’t let on that it’s up for debate.

If we do decide to move on then it probably has to be a clean slate with someone new and a totally new coaching team. We need someone with a huge personality to take on this challenge, I fear the likes of McKenna and Carrick just won’t have what it takes right now to lead this club.

I’ve scratched around in my mind for who is the outstanding candidate and I struggle to be 100% confident in any of them. If we are looking at the EPL then the outstanding candidate would be Emery with Thomas Frank being an interesting option.

Then you look outside of the EPL at someone like Ruben Amorim but can he make the leap to the big leagues?

This is not a Slot situation at Liverpool where he inherited still a top quality squad. This is someone that needs to come in and perform major surgery on how we play, our mentality and rebuild the confidence of fans. It’s no mean feat!
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I think the personality/communication is a big thing for any new manager it needs to be someone who can come in and talks a good game then backs it up on the pitch.

We aren't going to get Emery out of Villa but Frank would be a candidate he certainly has a bit of personality about him but there's being an underdog with little old Brentford that rattles cages and being a big boy that needs to carry itself with swagger.

You've got Hoeness who took Stuttgart to 2nd last season in Germany playing some really exciting stuff but getting any manager out of his current club is going to be expensive and difficult this early in the season.

That's why I think it'll be Tuchel he can point to league titles in other top 5 leagues and the European Cup with Chelsea.

Any new manager who comes in will make the team more cautious to start with I don't think our midfield is anywhere near good enough to play attacking football and that was a problem when ETH arrived and it's still a problem now. They money spent in midfield over the 3 summers with him in charge has not been spent well.
 
jsp said:
I keep hearing this Ruud interim idea and I just don't see it if ETH goes then his coaches go with him and from what's reported it was ETH decision to bring in Ruud.
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This Gaz fella sounded like he had spoken to somebody and basically said, Ruud would not have taken the job to just be a coach. He wants to be head a coach and could have gone to Burnley, and that he must have thought there would be a possibilty he would get the main job to take the role he did
 
jsp said:
I think the personality/communication is a big thing for any new manager it needs to be someone who can come in and talks a good game then backs it up on the pitch.

We aren't going to get Emery out of Villa but Frank would be a candidate he certainly has a bit of personality about him but there's being an underdog with little old Brentford that rattles cages and being a big boy that needs to carry itself with swagger.

You've got Hoeness who took Stuttgart to 2nd last season in Germany playing some really exciting stuff but getting any manager out of his current club is going to be expensive and difficult this early in the season.

That's why I think it'll be Tuchel he can point to league titles in other top 5 leagues and the European Cup with Chelsea.

Any new manager who comes in will make the team more cautious to start with I don't think our midfield is anywhere near good enough to play attacking football and that was a problem when ETH arrived and it's still a problem now. They money spent in midfield over the 3 summers with him in charge has not been spent well.
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Yeah tempting Emery out of Villa Park wouldn’t be easy but I don’t think we can discount the pull of this club still. I probably sound like a broken record when the manager chat comes along but like I’ve always said if you’re the manager that comes in and puts United back on top, you’ve got legendary status for life.

Frank is an interesting one but you never know how a manager will cope with being the big fish. He seems to have the personality to cope but it’s slightly risky.

Hoeness did fantastic for Stuttgart but think he probably needs to back it up this year to show it wasn’t a flash in the pan - and will be interesting to see how he copes with their star striker who has moved to Dortmund.

Overall I think it probably would be Tuchel as he is currently unattached so that transition would be smooth. I would favour him over the other unemployed guys like Zidane, Potter and Southgate.
 
I can't bear Frank, Potter, Southgate, Tuchel.

I love ZZ and would love to see him on the bench, but I don't think he has got what it takes.

Its got to be Nagelsmann, Emery or De Zerbi I think.
 
Mr C said:
This Gaz fella sounded like he had spoken to somebody and basically said, Ruud would not have taken the job to just be a coach. He wants to be head a coach and could have gone to Burnley, and that he must have thought there would be a possibilty he would get the main job to take the role he did
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Ruud might have been willing to take that gamble but if he wanted to be a head coach/manager then he could have likely found work at better clubs than Burnley as he did a decent job at PSV before walking out.

He's nowhere near ready to take the Man Utd job he's had 1 season as a manager in the Dutch league.

I also don't think ETH brings him in if he feels he's got 1 eye on his job.

He might get the Carrick job of being caretaker for a few games but I can't see them giving him it.

If ETH goes then for me Ruud is part of the team that's failed and has to follow him out the door along with the other coaches ETH bought in this summer.
 
SuperRash said:
Yeah tempting Emery out of Villa Park wouldn’t be easy but I don’t think we can discount the pull of this club still. I probably sound like a broken record when the manager chat comes along but like I’ve always said if you’re the manager that comes in and puts United back on top, you’ve got legendary status for life.

Frank is an interesting one but you never know how a manager will cope with being the big fish. He seems to have the personality to cope but it’s slightly risky.

Hoeness did fantastic for Stuttgart but think he probably needs to back it up this year to show it wasn’t a flash in the pan - and will be interesting to see how he copes with their star striker who has moved to Dortmund.

Overall I think it probably would be Tuchel as he is currently unattached so that transition would be smooth. I would favour him over the other unemployed guys like Zidane, Potter and Southgate.
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It's not tempting Emery it's getting Villa to let him go that's the issue. They'll want a massive compensation package and that's money that's coming straight out of our transfer kitty.

I was just chucking Hoeness name out their to be honest but like above we'd have to pay a bomb to get him out of his Stuttgart contract, they've made an ok start this season but like every club in that league that isn't Bayern you're squad gets pillaged every summer if you've done well.

Changing the manager isn't going to fix everything that midfield is still a mess no matter who's in charge and the manager be it ETH or his replacement is going to need to adapt the tactics to cover that weakness immediately.
 
Some rumours going round that the players aren’t sure what he’s asking of them, he does seem to talk in riddles at times in the pressers so could be true, having said that if he doesn’t think the players are following his instructions why isn’t he going ballistic on the touchline? whatever it is it’s clearly not working.
 
Mr C said:
I can't bear Frank, Potter, Southgate, Tuchel.

I love ZZ and would love to see him on the bench, but I don't think he has got what it takes.

It’s got to be Nagelsmann, Emery or De Zerbi I think.
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Ever since he’s left Madrid I’ve always wondered does he have the desire and hunger to get back into management. He left them in 2021 and sure he’s had offers since. Definitely don’t think he’d be the way to go.
 
ZZ I would guess is waiting for the France job to open up.

I think he’d be a bad fit for where we are right now
 
Potter is the guest on Monday Night Football tonight.

That’s a clear sign he’s ready to get back into management.
 
Was asked if he’d held talks with Utd over the summer.

He danced around the question a bit but never actually denied it.
 
Ruud has gone 2/1 favourite. Southgate 4's Tuchel 9's and McKenna 14's no one else under 20's.
 
thats pretty much what someone (in the know) on the radio said yesterday, Ruud will get it until the end of the season.

although lots of talk of Inzaghi today
 
Bookies shift the odds based on bets not because they're in the know. They are offering odds that will make them the most money not necessarily wanting to be correct. A small number of bets can cause a big shift in the odds

In most cases they will also only pay out if Ruud is appointed the permanent manager not caretaker or interim.

Feels to early in the season to be appointing an interim but it's going to be hard to attract a top manager mid season if they're already in work. Appointing an interim would be basically writing off the season.

Luis Enrique is out of contract at PSG in the summer.

Inzaghi is doing a great job with Inter but does his style fit with what we've been going for he's a 3-5-2 guy which doesn't really suit our squad filled with wide players.

Ancelotti expected to leave Madrid this summer.
 
Ten Hag may have received the backing of the board but there’s no doubt he’s a man on borrowed time. He may last another week or another month, he may even make Christmas but the time is coming for United to replace him. They simply can’t accept and tolerate the dross product that goes out there every week. Get ready for Ruud to be your manager in the not too distant future.
 
I'm amazed INEOS think he can turn this around.

Could they have added a clause to hisdeal that he'll get at least a year? Something must be going on, can you imagine any other club letting it go this far

the big European clubs, he wouldn't have made through the summer.
 
Mr C said:
I'm amazed INEOS think he can turn this around.

Could they have added a clause to hisdeal that he'll get at least a year? Something must be going on, can you imagine any other club letting it go this far

the big European clubs, he wouldn't have made through the summer.
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We don't know that they do they might just be waiting for the right moment to can him which is probably after Villa.

I doubt they'd give him that sort of leverage of a guarantee not even sure how that could be written into a contract.

The extra year probably gives him the financial comfort of a pay off and from a PR point of view it's them backing him.

At other clubs he wouldn't have made it to Christmas let alone the summer but we aren't like those clubs we've always been slow at pulling the trigger on managers.

He needs to have a serious think about how he's asking the team to play we are so out of shape when we attack that the moment the ball is lost there's just gaps everywhere for teams to counter attack into.

We are still struggling vs a good side to play out from the back (we've improved vs the middle and lower sides) and we don't have an option to go more direct.
 
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He really is clutching at straws with his comments.

Bringing up the trophies and final appearances in every press conference is getting a bit tired when he's finished 20-30 points behind the league winners in both those seasons.

Then bringing up clean sheets vs Southampton, Barnsley and Palace like that's something to be really proud on. Two teams in the bottom 3 and 1 in league 1.
 
He’s going, who they get next is the main issue.
Failure after failure, the only difference now is the club has a proper board, it’s going to take someone very special to manage us now.
 

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