Erik ten Hag | United trigger contract extension

Justin Cider said:
Jason Cundy, the king of the hindsight bullies, feck me sideways

Hang your head @Jayc1860
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When you say that about every commentator/reporter/pundit/ex player it kind of ends up being meaningless. The boy who cried wolf.

Same as all your posts about the team being brilliant, all the players being world class, ETH being a top manager. It ends up diluting when you do make a good post.

The whole world can see there are massive problems with the team
 
I would aver, and this is just a wild stab in the dark, that Mr Cundy has played one more game in the top flight than our friend Justin.
 
Jayc1860 said:
It isn't about who said it. That is just one example. There are many others saying the exact same thing. You know this is true you would have read/watched it too.
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Better things to do with my time than listen to that prick, a prick who played for Chelsea and Spurs, step back from yourself and think about that for a minute and why he would be so keen to pile in - it's easy money, you either love United, or you HATE them and never miss an opportunity to stick the knife in, you cannot be that unaware you don't know what is happening, and happens every time United lose a few games, it's friggin embarrasing, but ammo for the entitled ....

Just because you agree with him doesn't make you both right.
 
Mr C said:
When you say that about every commentator/reporter/pundit/ex player it kind of ends up being meaningless. The boy who cried wolf.

Same as all your posts about the team being brilliant, all the players being world class, ETH being a top manager. It ends up diluting when you do make a good post.

The whole world can see there are massive problems with the team
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Put the vino down and stop making up shit, i've never once said the team was brilliant or all the players being world class.

EtH is a top Manager, that's not open to debate

Did the whole world think there were massive problems at United in the FA Cup final or Charity Shield, did they feck ....
 
come off it, Pellestri was a world beater according to you

Justin Cider said:
EtH is a top Manager, that's not open to debate
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Of course it's open to debate, worst season in the league, and 2 losses from 3.

You may sit on one side or another, but it's definitely open for debate
 
Mr C said:
come off it, Pellestri was a world beater according to you



Of course it's open to debate, worst season in the league, and 2 losses from 3.

You may sit on one side or another, but it's definitely open for debate
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Never actually said that, feel free to quote me, said he had unbelievable potential

Just because a Manager doesn't meet expectations at a club and their demanding fans doesn't change the fact he's a top Manager, so many examples, Clough at Leeds for starters ....
 
ha

You're comapring ETH with a manager who won two European cups and a league, at Forest.

do me a favour
 
Mr C said:
ha

You're comapring ETH with a manager who won two European cups and a league, at Forest.

do me a favour
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Sure Clough won those trophies after being at Leeds, but as long as you think you are making a point it's fine by me, carry on
 
You’re comparing someone who won the league and 2 european cups with Forest. And had an EIGHT game spell at Leeds

With someone who won the Dutch league with the biggest club in the league and has had over ONE HUNDRED game spell at united.

It’s laughable

And irrelevant, he’s struggling is what people are saying, not that he’s bad.

See Gary Birtles
 
They pro-ETH are going to keep banging their drum until the bitter end.

I'm not worried though, because when he's sacked they'll have to admit defeat. This day is getting very close.

They can spout all the nonsense they want as it won't change a thing. He's already under significant pressure after 3 league games. It's only going to get worse if he doesn't win his next game. I'd say most of our fans now won't even accept that, they'll want a good performance to boot. We're all tired of watching this crap.
 
Jayc1860 said:
They pro-ETH are going to keep banging their drum until the bitter end.

I'm not worried though, because when he's sacked they'll have to admit defeat. This day is getting very close.

They can spout all the nonsense they want as it won't change a thing. He's already under significant pressure after 3 league games. It's only going to get worse if he doesn't win his next game. I'd say most of our fans now won't even accept that, they'll want a good performance to boot. We're all tired of watching this crap.
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The pro-EtH crowd are gonna keep supporting the team, players and Manager, that's what we signed up for, through thick and thin, the entitled me me me crowd are gonna keep demanding change, yeah cos that's worked hasn't it, and that same crowd will demand change again if the next Manager doesn't meet their high expectations, rinse friggin repeat, here's an idea if you are not happy where the club currently is feel free to do a @RichH2016 or better still watch a sport where you won't take it so personally if your team, that lucky lucky team, lose.

Those of us supporting the team don't affect you and your enjoyment(or lack of)watching the team, the entitled cry babies effect me - and it's fecking tiring.
 
Justin Cider said:
through thick and thin, the entitled me me me crowd are gonna keep demanding change
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I hate pathetic talk like this, trying to say there are only two groups of fan. It's not even an argument, it's what you say when you have no argument, to try and belittle people and make out you're more of a fan.

Whats to say you're right anyway, and the true fan, by wanting an inept manager, mabye it's the out crowd who are the proper fans.

For the record, I have never asked for manager to be replaced since I started supporting in the 70's until ETH last year. So what group does that put me in? And that is because I could see was struggling and not up to the job, not because I expect to win the league every year.

And, I have not called for him to be replaced this year yet. I said I would back him, and still do. But he needs a massive improvement after the break
 
Justin Cider said:
The pro-EtH crowd are gonna keep supporting the team, players and Manager, that's what we signed up for, through thick and thin, the entitled me me me crowd are gonna keep demanding change, yeah cos that's worked hasn't it, and that same crowd will demand change again if the next Manager doesn't meet their high expectations, rinse friggin repeat, here's an idea if you are not happy where the club currently is feel free to do a @RichH2016 or better still watch a sport where you won't take it so personally if your team, that lucky lucky team, lose.

Those of us supporting the team don't affect you and your enjoyment(or lack of)watching the team, the entitled cry babies effect me - and it's fecking tiring.
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No. You're going to keep to your own personal agenda. If you were supporting the team you would want the best for it. It's as simple as that. Nealry all pundits now are saying the same thing - and that is that ETH will be sacked, it's just a matter of time. Why? Because he's so far out of his depth it's hilarious.

You don't need to get all bent out of shape over it, it's a difference in opinion. Why do I have to be entitled? Why do I need to go and support another team? Why can't I just be a fan that cares about his club?

We've seen nothing in terms of advancing as a team in a very long time.

It all comes down to standards again and it seems you have none.
 
justintime said:
Cas got tackled and lost possession but it was not as if the we had no body back. When Salah is given that much space and no one covering Diaz he is going to score a lot of times.
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Part of the issue here is Liverpool left their wingers ahead of our full backs who took very high positions in the build up which is part of the system.

The midfielders know that they cannot lose the ball in those areas it's their responsibility to look after it because if our players are robbed in those areas against teams as good as Liverpool then it's curtains.

I think the failure on Sunday was not spotting this and directing the full backs to drop in as extra protection the risk wasn't worth the reward.
 
Mr C said:
I hate pathetic talk like this, trying to say there are only two groups of fan. It's not even an argument, it's what you say when you have no argument, to try and belittle people and make out you're more of a fan.

Whats to say you're right anyway, and the true fan, by wanting an inept manager, mabye it's the out crowd who are the proper fans.

For the record, I have never asked for manager to be replaced since I started supporting in the 70's until ETH last year. So what group does that put me in? And that is because I could see was struggling and not up to the job, not because I expect to win the league every year.

And, I have not called for him to be replaced this year yet. I said I would back him, and still do. But he needs a massive improvement after the break
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not only that, some on here claiming they are loyal and true fans because they want to keep ETH, were desperate to get rid of Ole. Who I believe should still be manager.
So lets stop the holier than thou malarky

There are only two on this forum who never wanted a manager out prior to ETH, and that's me and IDFD. And at least he still sticks to his guns, but I couldn't see it with ETH last year.

@Justin Cider not including you, you weren't here :-)
 
Justin Cider said:
The pro-EtH crowd are gonna keep supporting the team, players and Manager, that's what we signed up for, through thick and thin, the entitled me me me crowd are gonna keep demanding change, yeah cos that's worked hasn't it, and that same crowd will demand change again if the next Manager doesn't meet their high expectations, rinse friggin repeat, here's an idea if you are not happy where the club currently is feel free to do a @RichH2016 or better still watch a sport where you won't take it so personally if your team, that lucky lucky team, lose.

Those of us supporting the team don't affect you and your enjoyment(or lack of)watching the team, the entitled cry babies affect me - and it's fecking tiring.
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I find this mindset baffling to be honest. So as a fan you have to support the manager and the players even when they are underperforming and not delivering? You have to just accept that and get on with it? And if you don’t then go and support a different team?

Being a fan means going through a range of emotions to the team that you dedicate time (and usually money) to follow. It means wanting that team to succeed doesn’t it? And to succeed you need the right players and the right manager.

And by the way success is relative. Success to my team this season is staying up. Success to City is winning the league (and probably other trophies). Success to United is what? A trophy? Finishing top 4? I don’t know you guys tell me… But whatever you deem to be success this year you need to perform to do so. And the evidence season (and a poor 3 games this season) is that you might be in for further struggles.
 
Mr C said:
not only that, some on here claiming they are loyal and true fans because they want to keep ETH, were desperate to get rid of Ole. Who I believe should still be manager.
So lets stop the holier than thou malarky

There are only two on this forum who never wanted a manager out prior to ETH, and that's me and IDFD. And at least he still sticks to his guns, but I couldn't see it with ETH last year.

@Justin Cider not including you, you weren't here :-)
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Interesting point of view, so you would prefer Ole over ETH as manager?

Oh and I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a manager out before it was truly no going back for them. I have always supported the manager because I’ve always believed in not supporting the manager is not supporting the club 100%. Yes there are times when fans can get frustrated with a manager and have strong opinions in the heat of battle but overall I think I’ve always been pretty fair to managers.
 
jsp said:
Part of the issue here is Liverpool left their wingers ahead of our full backs who took very high positions in the build up which is part of the system.

The midfielders know that they cannot lose the ball in those areas it's their responsibility to look after it because if our players are robbed in those areas against teams as good as Liverpool then it's curtains.

I think the failure on Sunday was not spotting this and directing the full backs to drop in as extra protection the risk wasn't worth the reward.
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That I entirely agree with you. But ETH should know by now that we never win in the midfield against any top sides. Especially on our left where Rashford plays. Not saying that Cas was good but the fact that we leave so much open at the back is exactly because of our wingers over attacking and we have basically no one who can keep possession.

Furthermore, I have just seen Hargreaves saying that Ugarte and Cas should play together. It is very sensible to do this. We will not be so ope if ETH does that.
 
Mr C said:
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That’s fair enough and is your opinion but I think if ETH is sacked tomorrow, it wouldn’t be long before he is back in management. Whereas Solskjaer has struggled to get a gig since he left us. I think that does speak volumes.
 
He's had offers, I think mainly international and Saudi though

he is working for UEFA, and still coaches in Norway.

ETH might get an offer, but maybe not from a top club.

Anyway, I want him to succeed, there is nobody around I can see to replace him.

Ole didn't get anywhere near the grace ETH has had. People just wanted him out because he wasn't a big name. He made errors. He admitted them too
 
SuperRash said:
Oh and I don’t think I’ve ever wanted a manager out before it was truly no going back for them. I have always supported the manager because I’ve always believed in not supporting the manager is not supporting the club 100%.
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I just can’t get that? So if a manager is doing a bad job you should support them no matter what? If a player isn’t performing you should support them no matter what? And want them to still be picked?

You support a team not a manager or a player. You will rate and like some players and not others. Supporting a team means following them, watching them, keeping up to date on what is happening at the club, wanting them to win and to succeed. If a manager isn’t able to deliver that then they must go.
 
Makes me laugh when I see fans being labelled as entitled if some of us want and expect more, United have been and are still underperforming for a very long time, we are a long way off winning the league and light years from winning the Champions league as things stand.
It’s happening because we haven’t been run properly under the parasites from America, sir Jim has at least realised this and is trying to do something about it, there’s a long way to go though.
Not sure how other fans feel but for me it’s definitely not feckin entitled.
 
RichH2016 said:
I just can’t get that? So if a manager is doing a bad job you should support them no matter what? If a player isn’t performing you should support them no matter what? And want them to still be picked?

You support a team not a manager or a player. You will rate and like some players and not others. Supporting a team means following them, watching them, keeping up to date on what is happening at the club, wanting them to win and to succeed. If a manager isn’t able to deliver that then they must go.
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Totally agree. How’s the United supporting going? :)
 
Mr C said:
He's had offers, I think mainly international and Saudi though

he is working for UEFA, and still coaches in Norway.

ETH might get an offer, but maybe not from a top club.

Anyway, I want him to succeed, there is nobody around I can see to replace him.

Ole didn't get anywhere near the grace ETH has had. People just wanted him out because he wasn't a big name. He made errors. He admitted them too
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Ole had many deficiencies as a manager, I don’t think we were going anywhere with him to be honest. Being a counter attacking team and always relying on comebacks was never going to be sustainable. Love the guy but he needed to go and I would have ETH ahead of him.

I think if he was highly rated he would have got another job as manager by now. Working for UEFA and coaching in Norway is not exactly screaming out top manager.
 
Jayc1860 said:
You can be a bit of an arse sometimes. Leave the guy alone.

It's just bullying. I thought you were better than IDFD.
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It was only said in jest, hence the emoji.

I’ve known Rich on here for a long time, so please don’t accuse me of bullying thanks.
 
SuperRash said:
It was only said in jest, hence the emoji.

I’ve known Rich on here for a long time, so please don’t accuse me of bullying thanks.
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There is a point where it just isn't funny though and I think you've reached it.

Every time he makes a good point you're all on him about this, that is bullying.
 
Jayc1860 said:
There is a point where it just isn't funny though and I think you've reached it.

Every time he makes a good point you're all on him about this, that is bullying.
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Gotcha.

If it came across as anything other than banter then yeah obviously I would be sorry.

Think I need a time out from the forum. It just seems to be constant sniping between posters which isn’t fun. SR out.
 

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