Erik ten Hag | United trigger contract extension

IDFD said:
I've had you on ignore for a while with good reason.

However I can quote you 'If Ineos decide he's the man then I will back him for the season they won't be wrong'

What changed other than them backing him? And you being wrong thinking they wouldn't?

You are genuinely the second worst United fan I've ever spoken to. Firstly you've proved yourself a liar. Secondly you've made it clear you would rather us lose just because you think it proves some sort of point. Thirdly you've made it very clear (like many United fans) you don't actually understand football.

You speculate nonsense you talk rubbish. You're an embarrassment to the United fan base. Laughable.

Ruud our next manager. Grow up. His time at United was the biggest baron spell we had. But you saw goals and thought it was great and forgot he caused the team to play one dimensionaly whilst the manager acknowledged he was a problem. But you're to thick to grasp to that.

Whats the harm in giving it to a manager who has no experience and thinks ETH way is correct? Do you not grasp how uneducated you sound? He's come to learn under ETH.
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Is the first worst United fan on this forum? Asking for a friend
 
The dynamics do not match is the main issue. ETH wants to play in a certain way and the players he has, especially Bruno cannot play in that way. Individually he is a brilliant player but in a team that the manager wants to play a certain way he is a liability. If our attacking midfield player cannot keep possession then this is what is going to happen. It is not his complaining or his theatrics that is the problem but his lack od disciple in playing in his space. You simply cannot press if even one player is indisciplined and vacate his space.
The best way to play now is to play Ugarte and Casemiro together and play either Bruno or Mainoo. Not both of them in the tough games.
Amrabat should have been kept. Or go two up front and drop Rashford.
 
He's got a couple of weeks to work on them now.

I expect a reset. restart the season, come back on fire.

Unfortunately, because of the start, there will be BS stories knocking about. Not to blow myself, but that's exactly what I said would happen if we lost 2 from 3.

I said I would, and I still back him, but things need to change when we come back, or we could end with Tuchel/Southgate. Which would be worse.
 
What I do find a little strange is the transfers that United made this summer. Don’t get me wrong all really good players but a lot of them (again) have links to Ten Hag. De Ligt has played for him before, I believe Mazouri has (or at least Ten Hag knows well from his time in the Netherlands) and similarly with Zirkzee (though I don’t believe Ten Hag managed him). So if it all goes wrong (and let’s all just be honest Ten Hag probably doesn’t make it in to next season) there’s a lot of Ten Hag players the new manager has to work with.
 
RichH2016 said:
What I do find a little strange is the transfers that United made this summer. Don’t get me wrong all really good players but a lot of them (again) have links to Ten Hag. De Ligt has played for him before, I believe Mazouri has (or at least Ten Hag knows well from his time in the Netherlands) and similarly with Zirkzee (though I don’t believe Ten Hag managed him). So if it all goes wrong (and let’s all just be honest Ten Hag probably doesn’t make it in to next season) there’s a lot of Ten Hag players the new manager has to work with.
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To me these 3 players can play under any manager and under any system. The bigger issue is Antony and the 2 top players of Bruno and Rashford.
 
I think Zirkzee was an odd one, not saying he's a bad player, just not what we needed.

Other 3 are ok
 
The reason ETH is still here is because there wasn't a top level replacement available this summer, SAF was an elite manager but have we had a top level manager since he retired? and I mean elite....No.
I get that his shoes were very difficult to fill but we`ve had pretty average managers since, and thats the next big thing for SJR to sort out.

I`ll back ETH for the time being but he`s making it hard to like him and how long do the club give him? we cant have another season missing out on top 4.
 
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If the last two links Iv posted dont make you think he`s not good enough I`d like to know why.
 
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Not that it matters, but for clarity.

This interview was done before the Liverpool game, and embargo'd until last night.

My view is, they won' t sack him yet and nor should they, they would look ridiculous anyway if they did that. They need to at least give some time with the new players. But ETH has got to improve his pressers, because some of this pressure was brought on by what he said.

Of course, he needs to improve the team too, massively. The football is not good enough.
 
Multiple league titles? Plenty of top managers have had pops back at the press when they've felt they needed to.

The press have nowhere near the power they once did the only thing that's going to cost ETH his job is results if they don't improve he won't last it's that simple. No amount of clever questions from the press is going to cost him his job.

I've watched more of the bits post game and it really isn't that bad he's just lost and is probably in a foul mood someone prodding and pocking him is going to get a reaction. What the reported said was nonsense anyway the things that happened vs Liverpool did not happen in our previous 2 league games or in the community shield.

As for the game it was pretty much 50/50 on possession 8 vs 11 on shots and 3 vs 3 for shots on target so it was hardly an absolute pasting we made 3 massive errors that were ruthlessly punished by world class attacking players.

The criticism I'd have of ETH is why when we could see what was going to happen did he not adjust things slightly even dropping his full backs a bit deeper in the build up would have helped protect as it wasn't like the ball was going into the midfielder then quickly out wide. Every time it went into midfield we were trapped.
 
I'm not having a pop here at ETH.

but come on, it doesn't matter what the stats say, they bossed they game. We never really looked like scoring apart from the two created by the boy everyone wants to bin, A better striker might have put them away. But Liverpool were way better. I thought they looked very comfortable.

i think it does matter what you say in the press, it's been mentioned loads since re: him saying only City are better. You just cannot say stuf like that in the position were are in. Say as little as possible, give nothing away.

He's got big couple of months coming up, and I hope he can see that he needs to make changes in the team, but also within himself.
 
Liverpool had far more control on that game than we did and at OT which makes it worse, we gave the ball away all the time and were second to the ball on far too many occasions thats simply not acceptable, 3-0 says it all.

I dont care what the stats say it can muddy the water, I watched it.
 
Mr C said:
I'm not having a pop here at ETH.

but come on, it doesn't matter what the stats say, they bossed they game. We never really looked like scoring apart from the two created by the boy everyone wants to bin, A better striker might have put them away. But Liverpool were way better. I thought they looked very comfortable.

i think it does matter what you say in the press, it's been mentioned loads since re: him saying only City are better. You just cannot say stuf like that in the position were are in. Say as little as possible, give nothing away.

He's got big couple of months coming up, and I hope he can see that he needs to make changes in the team, but also within himself.
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And in the first 80 minutes what chances did Liverpool create that didn't come from the individual mistakes of Casemiro and Mainoo? What can any manager do about silly mistakes from his players?

It's not true they dominated the game it's result orientated thinking which is a terrible thing to use to analyse any game.
 
IDFD said:
And in the first 80 minutes what chances did Liverpool create that didn't come from the individual mistakes of Casemiro and Mainoo? What can any manager do about silly mistakes from his players?

It's not true they dominated the game it's result orientated thinking which is a terrible thing to use to analyse any game.
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In my opinion, Liverpool were by far the stronger team. And that is the general view.

Is it individual mistakes, or is it a team trying play a certain way, when they cannot cope with the Liverpool press. These weren't the only two players to give the ball away or lose possesion, and I think the blame on Cas is a bit over the top to be honest.
Bruno, Martinez, De Ligt, Mazaouri, Garnacho, many more, all gave the ball away cheaply. But didn't end up in a goal. Does that make them any less at fault than Cas?

We don't seem to know what do at throw ins either, have you noticed, as an aside.

I think the 3 - 0 was a fair reflection, I think even ETH said that.
 
JammyRed said:
Its not an ETH out tone its an ETH isnt working tone, I want him to succeed
Give your head a wobble
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I've give my head a wobble a few times. LVG, Mourinho, Ole. All managers hounded out far too quickly the reset button hit and another 2 years wasted because United fans are too impatient and don't understand that things take time. Look at recent history you'd have fired Klopp and Arteta before they had a chance to properly get going. It's laughable how short sighted United fans are.
 
Mr C said:
In my opinion, Liverpool were by far the stronger team. And that is the general view.
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Because of result orientated thinking. For the record the xg was 1.52 to 1.5. That's how little they absolutely dominated the game. In 90 minutes they created one chance we didn't gift them with an individual mistake from Casemiro or Mainoo.

As for the others giving the ball away less. I agree passing was woeful all over. However Casemiros were criminal in where and when he gave the ball away and the manner in which he did.
 
IDFD said:
Because of result orientated thinking. For the record the xg was 1.52 to 1.5. That's how little they absolutely dominated the game. In 90 minutes they created one chance we didn't gift them with an individual mistake.
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I think thats a little unfair

You're just dismissing people opinions for stats.

With 30 mins to go, I had no inclination that we would get back into that game. I don't think we ever really threatened a goal and I thought Liverpool were the better team. I think thats a fair assesment of the game. And as I say, most people believe that the case.

I am not being anti ETH here, I just think we all, as fans, should be honest. I want him to succedd, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be honest about what I see. It was a poor showing from us.

Do you think you should revise you're opinion blaming two players for individual errors when the whole team were making the same error? Do you not think ETH should have noticed that and changed something? Does he really take no blame and it's all on 2 players?
 
I will never blame a manager for players making basic errors. A manager doesn't need to tell Casemiro if you see a player infront of you wearing a Liverpool shirt don't pass it to him. If you are being hounded by a Liverpool player don't be weak and fall to the floor asking for a freekick.

Why would anyone ever think those are on the manager and not the player. Hence the player getting pulled off at half time for such stupidity.

Blaming a manager for Casemiros errors isn't being honest. Not sure what it is but certainly isn't being honest. Point the finger of blame where it belongs not always at the managers head.

And i'm not dismissing anyones opinion i'm stating facts. I've asked you previously which chances did they create in the first 80 minutes that wern't because of Casemiros or Mainoos mistakes? Because from my memory there wasn't a single one. I did miss the first 35 seconds though.
 
Mr C said:
In my opinion, Liverpool were by far the stronger team. And that is the general view.

Is it individual mistakes, or is it a team trying play a certain way, when they cannot cope with the Liverpool press. These weren't the only two players to give the ball away or lose possesion, and I think the blame on Cas is a bit over the top to be honest.
Bruno, Martinez, De Ligt, Mazaouri, Garnacho, many more, all gave the ball away cheaply. But didn't end up in a goal. Does that make them any less at fault than Cas?

We don't seem to know what do at throw ins either, have you noticed, as an aside.

I think the 3 - 0 was a fair reflection, I think even ETH said that.
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It is never going to work without a player who can keep possession in AM. None of our forwards can keep possession. Plus we never play as a team. No one seems to know where to go and where to pass. That is is why Cas gets found out. He has no movement in front a lot of times. Does not mean his passing is good all the time. Mainoo is a good player and has the potential but he is so slow and Cas is slow and that means we are already beaten in midfield with one pass from the opposition.
The only way we have won is by defending deep and counter attacking with pace. when Bruno goes tilting at windmills we leave a lot of space behind. When two full backs attack at the same time we leave a lot of space. When Cas drops into the defense the midfield is left one player short.
when Ugarte starts playing we will be in a worse situation. Because he is known to go pressing and leaving space and with Bruno and him both doing this there would be more space opening up.
 
did you not see all our players giving away cheap possesion? You only saw Cas?

I think it's the duty of the manager to change things when it's clear there were problems from all the players giving the ball away. The goals were coming, we could all see it. Up until the goal, Cas was about the only one not giving the ball away. His head went after that.

I think Liverpool were very confortable, I thought they could up it a bit. They did also have a disallowed goal where our defence was all over the shop.
 
IDFD said:
I've give my head a wobble a few times. LVG, Mourinho, Ole. All managers hounded out far too quickly the reset button hit and another 2 years wasted because United fans are too impatient and don't understand that things take time. Look at recent history you'd have fired Klopp and Arteta before they had a chance to properly get going. It's laughable how short sighted United fans are.
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The board that appointed those managers were clueless, LVG was a bad fit for United, Mourinho also, a three year wham bam manager who gets the sulks and falls out with the team, Ole was interim intended had a great start then got found out although he wasnt the worst.

ETH is getting stick for getting his tactics wrong and bizarre substitutions, how a 2 man mid field is supposed to cope in the prem is beyond most fans, Mainoo is brilliant but he cant do it alone, Casemiro cant keep up and as we saw in the last game and is a mistake waiting to happen but ETH is too stubborn to try something different. ETH was touted as one of the best young coaches in Europe before he came but he`s not living up to the claims.
 
IDFD said:
I will never blame a manager for players making basic errors. A manager doesn't need to tell Casemiro if you see a player infront of you wearing a Liverpool shirt don't pass it to him. If you are being hounded by a Liverpool player don't be weak and fall to the floor asking for a freekick.

Why would anyone ever think those are on the manager and not the player. Hence the player getting pulled off at half time for such stupidity.

Blaming a manager for Casemiros errors isn't being honest. Not sure what it is but certainly isn't being honest. Point the finger of blame where it belongs not always at the managers head.

And i'm not dismissing anyones opinion i'm stating facts. I've asked you previously which chances did they create in the first 80 minutes that wern't because of Casemiros or Mainoos mistakes? Because from my memory there wasn't a single one. I did miss the first 35 seconds though.
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It is not blaming the manager for the mistakes of Cas. This set up is never going to work with a possession based game that ETH wants to play. Never. Why? Because none of our players can keep possession. None of them has a top class first touch under pressure. Their passing is horrible most of the time and their movements are horrible too.
Our best game to date has been against City in the Cup Final and in that game we sat tight. Very tight. And Amrbat was the DM and Bruno did not go pressing the keeper and even Rashford was very disciplined.
When our players have the ball they need to have 3 options available. We do not get three options and that is why the risky pass comes into play.
Either the players are not following the instructions of ETH or he has no clue how to get them to do it.
 
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The first 7 mins basically sum it up. Everything a lot of us have been saying, including Ruud as next possible boss.

But I'm clueless apparently.

Tactics and ETH are definitely the problem.
 
Cas got tackled and lost possession but it was not as if the we had no body back. When Salah is given that much space and no one covering Diaz he is going to score a lot of times.
 
Mr C said:
I think Zirkzee was an odd one, not saying he's a bad player, just not what we needed.

Other 3 are ok
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I don’t necessarily think any of the signings were bad. The Yoro one is very exciting for you guys for the future. Mazouri made sense and is a good buy it seems. De Ligt? I kind of get it but there’s a risk. Ugarte i don’t know much about but seems the kind of player you needed. Zirkzee? I’m not sold but I’m not going to say he won’t be a good player.
 
RichH2016 said:
I don’t necessarily think any of the signings were bad. The Yoro one is very exciting for you guys for the future. Mazouri made sense and is a good buy it seems. De Ligt? I kind of get it but there’s a risk. Ugarte i don’t know much about but seems the kind of player you needed. Zirkzee? I’m not sold but I’m not going to say he won’t be a good player.
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I think Zirkzee can be a fantastic player if he is paired up front with Rasmus. That means dropping Rashford and Garnacho to the bench. I completely forgot about Yoro.
 
IDFD said:
I've give my head a wobble a few times. LVG, Mourinho, Ole. All managers hounded out far too quickly the reset button hit and another 2 years wasted because United fans are too impatient and don't understand that things take time. Look at recent history you'd have fired Klopp and Arteta before they had a chance to properly get going. It's laughable how short sighted United fans are.
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Post of the year so far
 
Mr C said:
I'm not having a pop here at ETH.

but come on, it doesn't matter what the stats say, they bossed they game. We never really looked like scoring apart from the two created by the boy everyone wants to bin, A better striker might have put them away. But Liverpool were way better. I thought they looked very comfortable.

i think it does matter what you say in the press, it's been mentioned loads since re: him saying only City are better. You just cannot say stuf like that in the position were are in. Say as little as possible, give nothing away.

He's got big couple of months coming up, and I hope he can see that he needs to make changes in the team, but also within himself.
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First half hour was pretty even but once the goals came it was game over, they had us on the rack for 15 minutes either side of half time and got the goals then sat off knowing the game was won and we managed to create a couple of chances. Had we taken one of those chances who knows maybe they wobble but the key factor is we didn't.

It was actually quite similar to the home game in the league last season the difference was at 0-1 Liverpool didn't get the second then let us back into the game with a mistake that Bruno was ruthless to punish. Individual errors can play a massive factor in big games even the cup final the first goal was a defensive mix up by City.

Of course you can say these things if they are true you can't not say them when asked otherwise you'll look a deluded idiot. City are currently better than us. I think he does make the odd slip at times with the press but he faces a lot more scrutiny from the press and because of his results he will face difficult questions. There's only so many questions you can play with a straight bat after losing 3-0 at home to Liverpool.

Yeah it's huge pressure on him the third season was curtains for the last 2 managers and he's found himself in a similar position early on he has to recover quickly. The two early defeats has probably cost him whatever credit he had in the bank with a lot of fans.

We have to start seeing the reward for the risks we're taking with his setup if we don't then he'll be gone.
 

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