Erik ten Hag | United trigger contract extension

If it keeps on like this, they'll replace him sooner rather than later, I'm pretty certain of it. The man who'll take over is already lying in wait.

Ruud will take over.

If Ruud was the man for the job why not put him in during the summer? Why taint him with being part of the ETH failure?

Are we really going to appoint a man who's had 1 season as a manager just because he scored a load of goals for us in the past?

Does Ruud even want the job? Or any managerial job for that matter?

The whole point of making a change is a fresh voice with fresh ideas if ETH fails then all his staff are part of that failure and will follow him out of the door.
 
The Ruud rumours as next manager have been around for the last couple of months, whether its a good idea or true Im not sure.
 
That's why I said look at the weak bench before the game there was little option for change if it wasn't working, I couldn't believe how bad it looked.

That bench was a big problem I've said all summer Utd needed at least 2 centre mids we are well short in that area again this season.

I think the club did a decent job plugging the other holes in the squad this summer but there's still a massive shortage of quality in central midfield. Two of the signings we made in the first summer under ETH already need to be replaced due to their age.
 
If Ruud was the man for the job why not put him in during the summer? Why taint him with being part of the ETH failure?

Are we really going to appoint a man who's had 1 season as a manager just because he scored a load of goals for us in the past?

Does Ruud even want the job? Or any managerial job for that matter?

The whole point of making a change is a fresh voice with fresh ideas if ETH fails then all his staff are part of that failure and will follow him out of the door.

He won't be tainted at all; it's not a team he built nor a strategy he has begun. He's there to offer advice and give a different outlook on things. We all know ETH's character won't allow that to happen though, he listens to no one. The most in the know won't blame Ruud for anything that goes on now.

When it was pure speculation that he'd join people were asking why he'd take a step backwards in his managerial career. Was it a step backwards though, really? He has put himself in pole position for a job I think he has his eye on. He's never been short of confidence, so I think he might fancy himself.
 
The Liverpool mafia and ex-United players protecting their legacy you mean, and you've been around long enough to know if you don't love United you hate them, and are quite happy to stick the knife in, and then there's us that know ....
everbody, I haven't see one report that said united were unlucky, or played well
 
We made a fast start and played well for 20 minutes but once those Casemiro mistakes came we just lost the plot. Who knows what would have happened if he didn’t hand Liverpool those two goals.
 
the video is on this thread.

My problem is he should take ownership, not keep saying he is brilliant because we won two trophies. He can't keep saying the players must do better, he needs to do better too, but it seems he thinks he is doing everything ok.

One reporter said, although you beat city in the final, you were lucky in the rounds, especially against Coventry. And he asked for the next question.

The Ugarte stuff is just weird, he's only 3 games behind the others, Why will it take two months. Is this so he can continue to use it as an excuse.

Its a worry he thinks he is so good, when his football team doesn't reflect that

He didn't say that, it was the press who ran with that knowing the gullable would react to it
 
He won't be tainted at all; it's not a team he built nor a strategy he has begun. He's there to offer advice and give a different outlook on things. We all know ETH's character won't allow that to happen though, he listens to no one. The most in the know won't blame Ruud for anything that goes on now.

I don't think you can be the assistant manager then turn up the next day and say forget everything I've been telling you for the last 2-3 months because the old manager didn't have a clue. Especially when the old manager was the guy who hired you to help him.

Not saying Ruud would carry the blame if things go wrong and ETH is sacked but I think he's to close to the manager to be a replacement.

We have no idea how willing ETH is to listen to other peoples ideas. The story doing the rounds is after Palace last season his coaches at the request of the players went to him and asked him to change the tactics which he did. He also had to change them in his first season when he accepted that the players he had couldn't play from the back and reverted back to a more counter attacking style.
 
Two players un marked queuing up to score for the Dippers first goal, that’s after two players were queuing up and unmarked for Brightons winner a week ago, that’s shocking and unforgivable in my book what’s been done in training to prevent that ? Nothing by the look of it.
 
I don't think you can be the assistant manager then turn up the next day and say forget everything I've been telling you for the last 2-3 months because the old manager didn't have a clue. Especially when the old manager was the guy who hired you to help him.

Not saying Ruud would carry the blame if things go wrong and ETH is sacked but I think he's to close to the manager to be a replacement.

We have no idea how willing ETH is to listen to other peoples ideas. The story doing the rounds is after Palace last season his coaches at the request of the players went to him and asked him to change the tactics which he did. He also had to change them in his first season when he accepted that the players he had couldn't play from the back and reverted back to a more counter attacking style.

I think you can do exactly that. It's happened many times before. In fact it's probably expected. If ETH was to be sacked and Ruud took over I bet the common talking point between players would be what will change, and how are we going to do things now. It's a totally new person.

Ideology is rarely the same when it comes down to it with managers/coaches etc. Ruud will be supportive of ETH right now, but I guarantee you he's thinking he'd change a lot of things.

And the coaches changed nothing, Wilcox scared the shit out of him. Nothing more. He's clearly a very stubborn, ignorant guy. Sometimes that works, when you're SAF... but sometimes it does not.
 
How can you say he didn't get his tactics wrong after a 0-3 loss? We were embarrassed at OT. We were the only team not to score this weekend.

We were nowhere close to as good as Liverpool.

The whole point of a coach is tactics and reading the game in real time. He should react and change something as soon as he's seen Liverpool's press dominating us. Mainoo and Cas were being dispossessed nearly everytime.

Please stop with the injuries, these excuses are boring now. Great coaches find a way.

We know the cup run last year was lucky, Coventry nearly put us out. The league cup, honestly, I don't remember the run we had. It is a fact though any team can get pretty far in this style of competition.
What has that got to do with the price of snuff, that's just i'll throw that in as well while i'm ranting

You were watching another match then because up until they scored we were

Yeah we should have gone route one when Liverpool got on top, who to I don't know, and if he took one of the forward off to reinforce midfield how do you think that would've gone down with the moaners, and the press would've had a field day ....

While SAF was trying to establish himself Oldham nearly put us out, Crystal Palace should've beat us in the final in the FA Cup, welcome to cup football.
 
What has that got to do with the price of snuff, that's just i'll throw that in as well while i'm ranting

You were watching another match then because up until they scored we were

Yeah we should have gone route one when Liverpool got on top, who to I don't know, and if he took one of the forward off to reinforce midfield how do you think that would've gone down with the moaners, and the press would've had a field day ....

While SAF was trying to establish himself Oldham nearly put us out, Crystal Palace should've beat us in the final in the FA Cup, welcome to cup football.
Is that what you pro-ETH people think? Is this why you think we should keep him? You're all clinging on to the hope he's the next SAF?

He's not.
 
everbody, I haven't see one report that said united were unlucky, or played well

Well you won't will you, you know how the press work, or should, you need a platform, if you don't have one how do you get your views heard, hijack the 10 oclock news perhaps, 20 foot high letters on Buckingham Palace "we woz robbed" "jammy Scouse b'tards"
 
So everbody is wrong, apart from a few on here, the results and what we are watching.
 
I think you can do exactly that. It's happened many times before. In fact it's probably expected. If ETH was to be sacked and Ruud took over I bet the common talking point between players would be what will change, and how are we going to do things now. It's a totally new person.

Ideology is rarely the same when it comes down to it with managers/coaches etc. Ruud will be supportive of ETH right now, but I guarantee you he's thinking he'd change a lot of things.

And the coaches changed nothing, Wilcox scared the shit out of him. Nothing more. He's clearly a very stubborn, ignorant guy. Sometimes that works, when you're SAF... but sometimes it does not.

When has it happened and worked?

The only one I can think of was Pep's assistant taking over from him at Barca when he decided to leave but the circumstances are totally different they didn't want change they wanted continuity.

Zidane did it at Madrid but he wasn't part of the coaching staff when he stepped in and took over he was a director of football.

Also, when was the last time it happened and the assistant did more than a couple of games before being replaced? Carrick did a few games before Rangnick was appointed and think Bruno did a few games at Chelsea between Potter and Lampard.

If we are saying the ETH project is a failure and he must be sacked then his allies need to follow him out so the new man comes in with fresh ideas and guys who know how to get those ideas across.

If RVN doesn't believe the ETH can work then he shouldn't be at the club you can't have senior people pulling against each other you need to all believe in the process otherwise it won't work. I don't think RVN joins unless he feels ETH is on the right path.
 
Is that what you pro-ETH people think? Is this why you think we should keep him? You're all clinging on to the hope he's the next SAF?

He's not.

Can't speak for anybody else but I'm not pro anybody, I just believe in giving the Manager a fair chance at being successful knowing how nearly impossible the job is, mainly thanks to SAF

There will never be a next SAF!
 
how long do you think is long enough, to show even the slightest movement in the right direction? and how much money spend?

He needs a bit longer, but he's running out fast, his start to this season has been well under what we should expect. and he's given himself no wiggle room really.
 
When has it happened and worked?

The only one I can think of was Pep's assistant taking over from him at Barca when he decided to leave but the circumstances are totally different they didn't want change they wanted continuity.

Zidane did it at Madrid but he wasn't part of the coaching staff when he stepped in and took over he was a director of football.

Also, when was the last time it happened and the assistant did more than a couple of games before being replaced? Carrick did a few games before Rangnick was appointed and think Bruno did a few games at Chelsea between Potter and Lampard.

If we are saying the ETH project is a failure and he must be sacked then his allies need to follow him out so the new man comes in with fresh ideas and guys who know how to get those ideas across.

If RVN doesn't believe the ETH can work then he shouldn't be at the club you can't have senior people pulling against each other you need to all believe in the process otherwise it won't work. I don't think RVN joins unless he feels ETH is on the right path.
I don't know half of that, I don't have all the answers. I'm just speculating what could happen.

I think he's ideally placed to be next in line for a crack. If he does well who knows. I could also be completely wrong.
 
Can't speak for anybody else but I'm not pro anybody, I just believe in giving the Manager a fair chance at being successful knowing how nearly impossible the job is, mainly thanks to SAF

There will never be a next SAF!
Well said.
 
how long do you think is long enough, to show even the slightest movement in the right direction? and how much money spend?

He needs a bit longer, but he's running out fast, his start to this season has been well under what we should expect. and he's given himself no wiggle room really.

Beating the bestest team ever and deserving to in an FA Cup final with all the pressure that goes with it not a sign the club is going in the right direction, and proving it wasn't a fluke by being by far the better side in the Charity Shield, appreciate it was a full 3 games ago ....
 
No I dont think beating a team in a one off game is proving you have moved forward.

It's consitency that matters.

if coventry had beaten us in a one off game, would they be better than, or Copenhagen, Galatasary.

Anyone can win a one off game
 
It was a safe comment, bit like saying there will never be another God.

There never was a God, obviously, but let's pretend there was, now that would be an interesting thread ....
I believe in God. It came to me in a very unexpected way, but yeah, I believe.
 
No I dont think beating a team in a one off game is proving you have moved forward.

It's consitency that matters.

if coventry had beaten us in a one off game, would they be better than, or Copenhagen, Galatasary.

Anyone can win a one off game

Yeah let's compare a meaningless Champions League game to an FA Cup final where everybody including a big chunk of our own fans(I use the term loosely)thought we'd get battered - it was a great achievement ffs
 
You miss the point.

Consistency is how you judge a team, not one game, which I guess is why you say you need more than 3 games. You kind of argue your own point in different threads.

But of course its been many more than that
 
I don't know half of that, I don't have all the answers. I'm just speculating what could happen.

I think he's ideally placed to be next in line for a crack. If he does well who knows. I could also be completely wrong.

I personally think he's massively under qualified for the job of Man Utd manager being a former player shouldn't get him any further up the list than anyone else.

1 season in Holland is not enough experience to take one of the biggest jobs in world football.

If we're going to make the change here we need to be bringing in an absolute proven top class coach.

It isn't about letting someone having a crack at it this in the most important position in the club the person put in that job if Ten Hag goes needs to be a proven quality candidate.
 
Blimey

the Southgate rumours have started :eek:

I'm guessing/hoping that people just putting crap out there
 
I personally think he's massively under qualified for the job of Man Utd manager being a former player shouldn't get him any further up the list than anyone else.

1 season in Holland is not enough experience to take one of the biggest jobs in world football.

If we're going to make the change here we need to be bringing in an absolute proven top class coach.

It isn't about letting someone having a crack at it this in the most important position in the club the person put in that job if Ten Hag goes needs to be a proven quality candidate.
It really doesn't matter how much experience he has. If the powers that be don't have a suitable candidate in mind then what is the harm in Ruud taking over and holding the fort for a bit? It can't be any worse under him than this. I think he'd at least establish a proper way of playing and from then it's up to him to prove he should get a full season. If he fails, then no harm done really.

And it very much can be about letting someone have a crack, and I think you might well be proven wrong very soon.

The bookies have him as favourite for the job if ETH gets sacked.
 
It really doesn't matter how much experience he has. If the powers that be don't have a suitable candidate in mind then what is the harm in Ruud taking over and holding the fort for a bit? It can't be any worse under him than this. I think he'd at least establish a proper way of playing and from then it's up to him to prove he should get a full season. If he fails, then no harm done really.

And it very much can be about letting someone have a crack, and I think you might well be proven wrong very soon.

The bookies have him as favourite for the job if ETH gets sacked.

It can easily be worse they could just down tools as they did under Rangnick we just don’t know how they’d react.

5-6 games to the end of the season with nothing to play for maybe you can say just get us through these games but you can’t be thinking about putting him in 5-6 games into a season.

If Ten Hag goes then his team goes with him.

Bookies will back whoever people are betting on they aren’t in the know if people are placing bets on Ruud they’ll shorten the odds. Bookies are there to make money not to get it right. Using the odds is pointless as the bookies are almost never right on these sort of things.
 
It really doesn't matter how much experience he has. If the powers that be don't have a suitable candidate in mind then what is the harm in Ruud taking over and holding the fort for a bit? It can't be any worse under him than this. I think he'd at least establish a proper way of playing and from then it's up to him to prove he should get a full season. If he fails, then no harm done really.

And it very much can be about letting someone have a crack, and I think you might well be proven wrong very soon.

The bookies have him as favourite for the job if ETH gets sacked.

I've had you on ignore for a while with good reason.

However I can quote you 'If Ineos decide he's the man then I will back him for the season they won't be wrong'

What changed other than them backing him? And you being wrong thinking they wouldn't?

You are genuinely the second worst United fan I've ever spoken to. Firstly you've proved yourself a liar. Secondly you've made it clear you would rather us lose just because you think it proves some sort of point. Thirdly you've made it very clear (like many United fans) you don't actually understand football.

You speculate nonsense you talk rubbish. You're an embarrassment to the United fan base. Laughable.

Ruud our next manager. Grow up. His time at United was the biggest baron spell we had. But you saw goals and thought it was great and forgot he caused the team to play one dimensionaly whilst the manager acknowledged he was a problem. But you're to thick to grasp to that.

Whats the harm in giving it to a manager who has no experience and thinks ETH way is correct? Do you not grasp how uneducated you sound? He's come to learn under ETH.
 

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