Erik ten Hag | United trigger contract extension

He's a bit delusional at times, we can all see it, be honest mate.
Ugarte not played a minute all season, we're 3 games in. It's not like he's been out for 6 months.
 
It seems like he's already accepting that we are only in the cup competitions. He seems adamant we will have another chance to win a trophy. It's still lost on him who he is coaching. We aren't interested in always building, excuses, and stupid comments. We want to get back to where we belong. No amount of cups will help that.
 
I think he needs to take some ownership. You can keep saying we are building, we are in transition. There comes a point you have to deliver.
It's making him look a bit daft, and that's what bothers me. Why can't he see it. He asked a reporter what the faults are, he told him and he just said I don't see it.
It's a real worry if that's true.
It's like he thinks he's doing a good job
 
Thought he handled that well, Fergie would've kicked them all out.

It was obvious, or should have been, what he meant by the Harry Potter comment.

But I guess if you need to keep on with the moaning ....
 
We've 3 points from 3 games, 2 of which were at home
Of course he's going to be asked questions why we are so poor
Throwing out the reporters for that wouldn't be a good look

He's got to turn this around
 
It's his arrogance and stubborness that gets to me the most. Just admit you're doing badly or you got it wrong. Most people will react well to that. They won't react well to stupid Harry Potter comments though - as that is just weird. It's an insanely stupid thing to say.

Of course we know what he meant with the comment.

I'd argue that he does have a magic wand though - in the form of £600m worth of players. That's a pretty good trick to have. Most other coaches are getting on with it with a fraction of that.

And stop telling people they can't voice their opinion, and calling it moaning. What is the point of the forum then? Do you need us all to agree with you for some reason? Only weak minded people think this way - intelligent people encourage debate.
 
Mr C said:
We've 3 points from 3 games, 2 of which were at home
Of course he's going to be asked questions why we are so poor
Throwing out the reporters for that wouldn't be a good look

He's got to turn this around
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Well obviously, and he'll be aware of that

It was more loaded than why are we so poor, it just stopped short of asking why was he such a shit Manager, but then you know that.
 
Jayc1860 said:
It's his arrogance and stubborness that gets to me the most. Just admit you're doing badly or you got it wrong. Most people will react well to that. They won't react well to stupid Harry Potter comments though - as that is just weird. It's an insanely stupid thing to say.

Of course we know what he meant with the comment.

I'd argue that he does have a magic wand though - in the form of £600m worth of players. That's a pretty good trick to have. Most other coaches are getting on with it with a fraction of that.

And stop telling people they can't voice their opinion, and calling it moaning. What is the point of the forum then? Do you need us all to agree with you for some reason? Only weak minded people think this way - intelligent people encourage debate.
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What do you want him to say, that he got his team selection and tactics wrong, well i've news for you he didn't, we were every bit as good as Liverpool till Casemiro's brainfart, and then you'll know if you've played at any level that once that happens it's nearly impossible against a very good side(and they are) to turn it around, and it's more likely to get worse, far worse, it did.

That magic wand has allowed him to play his best team how many times? Roughly? And how many trophies have those other Managers won, and don't say it's only the League Cup and FA Cup cos it didn't do the two Sirs any harm winning them(the FA Cup only in Sir Matt's case) and getting their squads onside

Never once said people can't voice their opinion, certainly not in a one off post, but when they start getting boring I will point it out.
 
People talk absolute drivel. There aren't many sides in the league that'll hold Liverpool to 3 shots on target and each shot being because of an individual mistake or have more possession than Liverpool from the first whistle onwards.

ETH did feck all wrong today. Casemiro and Mainoo made individual errors and Zhirkzee missed two clear cut chances.
 
Liverpool bossed us at OT

ETH is responsible for the side he put out, and how they play. We know Liverpool press, why keep passing it to the CM just outside the box when they are struggling with the Liverpool press

Change the tactics

Of course he is responsible, he is the manager, he's spent over 600m, it's 3 games in, we've lost two and are playing pretty badly, albeit better than last year.

Of course he shouldn't be sacked, but take some ownership, don't keep saying nothing is wrong and you are briliant when you are not.

Literally every pundit, ex player, reporter can see it, just a few on here cannot, It's not good enough. He has to sort this out, but it looks like he won't becasue he cannot see the problems.

Try and find any report or comment that supports your view.

btw, news just said, home crowd boo'd them at HT and FT.

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I also lost count of the amount of times Bruno had the ball running towards Liverpools goal and Zirkzee was behind him. Either the tactics are for him to drop deep, in which case they were wrong, or he's not following tactics, and he needs to go ff.
 
His first season I thought he spoke well and honestly. The last 12 months though he’s spoken a lot of rubbish.
 
I reckon he`s got till the end of October to improve or he`s gone.

16 points from the last 16 games, not good enough.
 
The next two months would have to be woeful for him to be gone by the end of October.

He’s definitely not bulletproof but I would be surprised if he’s gone anytime before Christmas.
 
I agree, it will have to be a complete shit show to be gone by Nov.

The 5 games are pretty easy on paper, win those, get some confidence then we should win the spurs game too.

Comes to something when you say, should win vs spurs
 
He needs results at the moment he's having to field a lot of direct attacks on him from the media over his tactics, selection etc. Other managers don't get hit with that but he's facing that before and after every game because the press are now after him and as he's bitten back they'll come even harder.

He has to snap back you can't just sit there and take it but unless your team then backs it up with results none of it really matters as you are just being sent out to face the lions. You are never going to talk them round to your point after a bad result like that.

He needed a good start and he hasn't got it.
 
I didn't see the whole thing so always wary to judge it on the little snippets that get put online.

He could have easily thrown his players under the bus yesterday if he wanted to and blamed the individual errors but that isn't going to do him much good in the long term, the players still seem to be behind him.

The comments on Ugarte were probably sensible expecting 1 guy to come in and perform miracles that fix all our problems is unrealistic especially when he's only like to have 1 training session with his new team mates before our next game due to internationals.
 
the video is on this thread.

My problem is he should take ownership, not keep saying he is brilliant because we won two trophies. He can't keep saying the players must do better, he needs to do better too, but it seems he thinks he is doing everything ok.

One reporter said, although you beat city in the final, you were lucky in the rounds, especially against Coventry. And he asked for the next question.

The Ugarte stuff is just weird, he's only 3 games behind the others, Why will it take two months. Is this so he can continue to use it as an excuse.

Its a worry he thinks he is so good, when his football team doesn't reflect that
 
I think that's the only defence he can play but I agree it's getting a little bit tired and he probably needs to drop it going forward the league table needs to start looking a lot more impressive.

Personally I think bringing up the Coventry game is very cheap given we knocked out Liverpool fair and square then deserved to beat City in the final. Yeah the semi got a bit messy but these things can happen you don't walk through every game on a cup run.

On Ugarte he wasn't a regular at the end of last season for his club, he's missed pre season with Utd and his first training session wont be until the day before the Southampton game. I think dampening expectation makes sense he'll need time to get up to the speed of the new league and develop an understanding with his new team mates. With all the international breaks in the next 3 months he'll only actually be at the club for 6 weeks as there's 3 international breaks before Christmas.

As for his opinion of himself he can't really show weakness or doubt in himself if he does that he's finished.
 
Lets not forget, he loses that final, we have a new manager.

So stop banging on how good you are, and prove it on the pitch
 
Depends how the game goes if we lost a close game he might still have stayed if we got a hammering he'd have been gone.

Even without the cup stuff I think if the new board found someone they really liked in the summer he'd have gone but from the options on the table they didn't find their guy so they've stuck with him.

The moment they do find the guy they want I think he's toast and he probably knows that.
 
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It was hardly ground breaking stuff from Slot.

Basically said they went man vs man in midfield against Utd and tried to put a lot of pressure on the ball into the midfielder as we played out backed his players to win the 1 vs 1 duel with their opponent which they did on all 3 goals.
 
Justin Cider said:
What do you want him to say, that he got his team selection and tactics wrong, well i've news for you he didn't, we were every bit as good as Liverpool till Casemiro's brainfart, and then you'll know if you've played at any level that once that happens it's nearly impossible against a very good side(and they are) to turn it around, and it's more likely to get worse, far worse, it did.

That magic wand has allowed him to play his best team how many times? Roughly? And how many trophies have those other Managers won, and don't say it's only the League Cup and FA Cup cos it didn't do the two Sirs any harm winning them(the FA Cup only in Sir Matt's case) and getting their squads onside

Never once said people can't voice their opinion, certainly not in a one off post, but when they start getting boring I will point it out.
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How can you say he didn't get his tactics wrong after a 0-3 loss? We were embarrassed at OT. We were the only team not to score this weekend.

We were nowhere close to as good as Liverpool.

The whole point of a coach is tactics and reading the game in real time. He should react and change something as soon as he's seen Liverpool's press dominating us. Mainoo and Cas were being dispossessed nearly everytime.

Please stop with the injuries, these excuses are boring now. Great coaches find a way.

We know the cup run last year was lucky, Coventry nearly put us out. The league cup, honestly, I don't remember the run we had. It is a fact though any team can get pretty far in this style of competition.
 
Not sure the tactics were wrong but the application of those tactics certainly was.

Losing the ball sloppily 3 times in the middle of the pitch against a team as good as Liverpool is curtains.

Personally the warning signs were there before the first goal, could we have changed and gone a little more direct over the Liverpool press. The issue there is it's unlikely to stick up top if we do that but you at least aren't giving them the ball 30 yards from goal they're 50-60 yards away.

My worry with the tactics is it's so high risk and at the moment we aren't seeing the high reward side of it as even when we get it right and play through teams the attacks are breaking down before we create a chance even when we do get ourselves 4 vs 4 against the opponents defence.
 
jsp said:
It was hardly ground breaking stuff from Slot.

Basically said they went man vs man in midfield against Utd and tried to put a lot of pressure on the ball into the midfielder as we played out backed his players to win the 1 vs 1 duel with their opponent which they did on all 3 goals.
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Not groundbreaking but it shows how easy it is to play against United and win.
 
SJR has put £1.25 billion into the club and assembled a board geared up for success he’s not going to sit and watch that each week without pulling the trigger before Christmas.
 
I agree. We don't need to worry about ETH now. INEOS will deal with him. That's why I'm happy to sit back and wait for the bullet. It's coming.
 
JammyRed said:
Not groundbreaking but it shows how easy it is to play against United and win.
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Yeah if you have 3 top class centre mids who can out muscle us man to man, 2 world class wingers that can be clinical and 2 absolute beasts at centre back that stop us going long then you've got a pretty good chance of beating Man Utd this season.

Liverpool are perfectly setup to play against Utd their strength massively exploits our weakness which is being soft in the middle of the park.

Playing the way we did yesterday massively played into their hands the failure was not being able to change something to stop it from happening before it was to late.
 
Jayc1860 said:
I agree. We don't need to worry about ETH now. INEOS will deal with him. That's why I'm happy to sit back and wait for the bullet. It's coming.
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I wouldn't be so certain.

They'll sack him when they feel they've got the right man to replace him but going off this summer until that person is available they'll stick with Ten Hag.

There's also no certainty that the man they replace him with if they make that call will be any better.
 
jsp said:
Yeah if you have 3 top class centre mids who can out muscle us man to man, 2 world class wingers that can be clinical and 2 absolute beasts at centre back that stop us going long then you've got a pretty good chance of beating Man Utd this season.

Liverpool are perfectly setup to play against Utd their strength massively exploits our weakness which is being soft in the middle of the park.

Playing the way we did yesterday massively played into their hands the failure was not being able to change something to stop it from happening before it was to late.
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That's why I said look at the weak bench before the game there was little option for change if it wasn't working, I couldn't believe how bad it looked.
 
jsp said:
I wouldn't be so certain.

They'll sack him when they feel they've got the right man to replace him but going off this summer until that person is available they'll stick with Ten Hag.

There's also no certainty that the man they replace him with if they make that call will be any better.
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If it keeps on like this, they'll replace him sooner rather than later, I'm pretty certain of it. The man who'll take over is already lying in wait.

Ruud will take over.
 
Mr C said:
Liverpool bossed us at OT

ETH is responsible for the side he put out, and how they play. We know Liverpool press, why keep passing it to the CM just outside the box when they are struggling with the Liverpool press

Change the tactics

Of course he is responsible, he is the manager, he's spent over 600m, it's 3 games in, we've lost two and are playing pretty badly, albeit better than last year.

Of course he shouldn't be sacked, but take some ownership, don't keep saying nothing is wrong and you are briliant when you are not.

Literally every pundit, ex player, reporter can see it, just a few on here cannot, It's not good enough. He has to sort this out, but it looks like he won't becasue he cannot see the problems.

Try and find any report or comment that supports your view.

btw, news just said, home crowd boo'd them at HT and FT.

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I also lost count of the amount of times Bruno had the ball running towards Liverpools goal and Zirkzee was behind him. Either the tactics are for him to drop deep, in which case they were wrong, or he's not following tactics, and he needs to go ff.
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The Liverpool mafia and ex-United players protecting their legacy you mean, and you've been around long enough to know if you don't love United you hate them, and are quite happy to stick the knife in, and then there's us that know ....
 

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