Erik ten Hag | United trigger contract extension

Onana, Casemiro, Anthony and Mount were his signings who started the game last night. Reguilon is an emergency loan so you can't stick him in he will be gone in January.

So there are 7 players in his starting XI that he hasn't signed so roughly 1/3 of the team was players he has signed. 2/3 is players he's inherited and of those 7 there are 2 he's promoted from the academy and 5 players who don't make his starting XI if everyone is fit.

The way the FFP works it's going to be very hard for us to spend much next summer unless there's loads of sales, which we know from experience there wont be. It is so bad that they may have ride out another season with this squad then save the money for summer 2025.

The signings made under his leadership are worrying and thats what I think the club should be taking a much more active role in the selection of players going forward if Ten Hag stays in charge. The issue there is who do they actually get to do that job?
 
I don't care if they are loaned or not, or on the bench or not

Last night he had most of his signings, loaned and permanent, available. Only Malacia and Martinez missing.
 
It’s hard to see who we could target if ETH does get sacked. The few names that come to mind are Ruben Amorim, De Zerbi, Zidane but other than that not really sure.

I think someone like Hassenhutl did a good job at Southampton until it went a bit south, so probably not. I am clutching at straws a little trying to think.
 
Probably bring Carrick back or give it Giggsy now his court case has been dropped.
 
Not that I want EtH sacked, but if he was, I don't think we need to look beyond De Zerbi.
 
Potter isn’t going to take a job just until the summer he would want a 2-3 year deal.

Sir Jim will probably bring his mate from Nice if his deal goes through and he wants ETH gone.

The Times have reported Utd are looking for replacements and Utd responded quickly to rubbish the story and say they weren’t offered the chance to comment before the story was published.
 
Doesn't matter who we bring in. Need to change the owners, otherwise we won't get a proper sporting set up; Glazers have had ample opportunity to create a sports first senior management team, but have failed dismally.
 
O-Dog said:
Doesn't matter who we bring in. Need to change the owners, otherwise we won't get a proper sporting set up; Glazers have had ample opportunity to create a sports first senior management team, but have failed dismally.
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But that's not happening. So what you gonna do
 
It's all over the papers. Worthing of discussion.

Worst start to a season for 60 years. Awful football.

BBC are reporting that it's the lack of clarity over the sale is the only reason he's still there
 
I think it’s a valid discussion point as the end could be approaching if results don’t improve.

For the record I don’t want him to be sacked as the same cycle will just start again. However, if results and also performances don’t improve then it’s going to happen.
 
I'm mixed, I normally support managers way beyond most. But I don't see the point here, the way the club is run, the football is so bad, the players are so bad, there seems an issue between the two.
I can't see him surviving so might as well pull the trigger. But it sounds like they won't as Sir Jim wants input on new guy

Good interview with the great Dane on R5 at 7:15, 7:20 ish, worth a listen.

Although he did say home fans were singing you're getting sacked in the morning. Is that true :eek:
 
If he were to lose the next 3 then he may have to go there's a point where you just have to make the call and stop a rot but he could easily win the next 3 and it may feel like a corner has been turned. To me making a change now is pointless it would just be ripping it up and starting again and we will probably back here again in 2 years seeing off another manager. The change has to happen above him but that doesn't look like it's going to happen quickly.

Just feels like an unhappy club at the moment the takeover talk will be unsettling to all those behind the scenes who maybe don't know where their future lies.

The players clearly aren't happy the results are awful and most of them are playing poorly. There are rumours this morning that they weren't happy with the way the pre season tour was setup. The number of games aligned to the travel, training, commercial appearance requirements basically meant no down time.

The manager can't be happy with the way the team is playing and the number of stupid mistakes his players are making resulting in cheap goals for the opponent. Going forward his team in rancid to watch they aren't even creating chances to miss anymore.

The fans are obviously unhappy think we've played well once this season we are just about beating the bottom half sides and getting beaten by anyone half decent comfortably.
 
I hate sacking managers.

But this is possibly the worst I've ever seen us play. I don't think he will survive whatever happens with the takeover. He is a dead man walking for me. So, might as well bin him, bring in a temp coach who might put a smile onthese players faces, which in turn might get us playing better. And then review in the summer when maybe more might be known about the buyout. It's an option worth us discussing.

For me, the season and the manager is history. So experiment

I can't see ETH getting the players back on side, I don't think he has the personality for that

Does anyone on here enjoy watching us play? and that is the name of the game.
 
It's as bad the LVG spell in his second season that was teeth pulling bad but from memory in that season we didn't have anything like the injuries ETH has had to deal with. We just had a terrible summer where none of the signings came off... sound familiar?

They stuck it out to the end of the season with LVG despite everyone being able to see it was over they may do the same with ETH.

I just don't see the obvious replacement who could step straight in and take over this mess. Your Potter shout isn't terrible but I don't think this group of players would have him the same way the Chelsea players didn't despite his Brighton side giving us the run around 2 or 3 times.

That's why I just feel like stick with it and give him the chance to put it right might be the answer.
 
We can't keep banging on about injuries, Newcastle have 6 out or something, then lost another during the game.

The only position you could say we are short ih LB, but we do have a LB there.

Are we saying he only trains the first 11, and when they all get back somehow they will all know what they are doing and will have a certain system?

I think if the players were invested in the manager, and you could see there was a system they were trying and it's just not clicking then maybe. But there is a clear disconnect between manager and players. These players are pathetic, we know that, but as you said when you were crying out for Ole to be sacked, they cant sack 25 players.

The obvious choice is Nagelsmann, but the Bayern players couldn't cope with his strictness, imagine this lot.
 
Well it is an important factor if we're assessing performance since the start of the season and just looking at the number of players out isn't always going to tell you the true story. The defence has been a shambles but the midfield is also getting changed constantly because players are getting knocks and missing games and up front we've lost 2 players because of off field problems.

Varane hasn't played 90 minutes since Spurs and only started 1 game in the last 6 in the league.
Martinez has missed the last 6 in the league and will miss many more
Shaw has missed the last 8 in the league and will miss many more
AWB has missed the last 6 in the league but has now returned

So for the last 6 league games he's basically not had his back 4 all while trying to bed in a new keeper who had a rocky start but seems to have settled in now. To me that probably explains why defensively we've been really poor at the the start of the season.

As for the attack after the Arsenal game Sancho was excluded from the squad and Anthony missed 3 games in the league because of the off field issues. We were already short on options in attack so losing 2 players was a major problem. Chuck in that Hojlund was signed 3 games into the season and Amrabat only arrived 5 games into the season. The disruption to the team has been massive this season.

To me the difference between Ole and Ten Hag is there's actually a bit of proof from a previous club that he is a good coach but he faces a lot of the same problems that Ole had which is the signings are not coming off and he can't get rid of players that aren't good enough... some of these were signed by Ole.

Nagelsmann just took the Germany job with the Euro's next summer in Germany he's not going to walk out on that job
 
I cannot make up my mind whether Ten Hag has possibly made a mistake by using different systems depending on the players available to him. He wants to play out from the back but we know our 'old' defence cannot play that way, and unfortunately due to circumstances beyond his control he is having to field those same players. I'm certainly not defending the players, but it might be a little confusing. I am clutching at straws.
 
the play at the back is fine, it's when we go over the half way it turns to merde
 
I think this is the problem the players who are best suited to play the way he wants aren't there and haven't been here pretty much all season so we have no real idea if it'll work other than the first 2-3 games of the season where he was trying to bed it in without his new striker.

When he then goes back to playing the lads who struggle with the style he has to adapt it which means more long kicking from Onana just like he got De Gea doing last season.

He's not going to change the way a lot of the players he has play and get them to adapt so he can't just rigidly stick to his style as he has to try and pick up results.

That is why I'm still happy to keep him let him get HIS players back and then judge him on how the second half of the season goes. If the team is still absolutely shocking going forward you then have to make the call is it worth backing him again next summer or does he need to go.
 
He's got a squad of 25, he is meant to train them all, and get the best out of them all.

They are garbage at the moment.
 
Surprised at the vitriol from you Mr. C. Always remembered you to be one to back the manager not call for his head.

You can’t ignore that over half our proper starting 11 is missing just because you want to have a pop at the manager.

Is it good enough at the moment? No. Is that all on the manager? Of course not.

I hate hounding managers out. Always have always will. Again the same ETH crowd would be the same guys that were calling for Fergies head before he had time time to sort it out.

You have to at some point give a manager a proper chance. Turning in to a plastic club not because of the owners, the manager or the players but because the fans. This constant sniping at every manager when there is a downwards turn in form.

Back the manager. Remind the players it’s not good enough to give a half assed effort.
 
if we had been bought out then I would be backing ETH.

But its not going to work under this ownership. Just need to get on board with how they do things. And we are delaying the enevitble.
 
Mr C said:
if we had been bought out then I would be backing ETH.

But its not going to work under this ownership. Just need to get on board with how they do things. And we are delaying the enevitble.
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So by this notion any manager would fail here? May as well back ETH in that case.
 
SuperRash said:
So by this notion any manager would fail here? May as well back ETH in that case.
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No, you have to back short term managers like Conte unfortunately. And you pull the trigger at the start of the dive. Much like Chelsea under Roman
 
Chelsea had people close to Roman that were trusted to sign and sell the players.

Managers didn’t get to pick every player that came in or was sold and that unsettled Jose and Conte.

The owner also set the bar high only the best mattered and if you fell short of that you were gone. At Utd it’s clear that 4th is good enough there is no desire to win anymore from the very top as all that matters is you keep the money coming in so they can take it out.
 
Mr C said:
I'm mixed, I normally support managers way beyond most. But I don't see the point here, the way the club is run, the football is so bad, the players are so bad, there seems an issue between the two.
I can't see him surviving so might as well pull the trigger. But it sounds like they won't as Sir Jim wants input on new guy

Good interview with the great Dane on R5 at 7:15, 7:20 ish, worth a listen.

Although he did say home fans were singing you're getting sacked in the morning. Is that true :eek:
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No way
 
IDFD said:
Surprised at the vitriol from you Mr. C. Always remembered you to be one to back the manager not call for his head.

You can’t ignore that over half our proper starting 11 is missing just because you want to have a pop at the manager.

Is it good enough at the moment? No. Is that all on the manager? Of course not.

I hate hounding managers out. Always have always will. Again the same ETH crowd would be the same guys that were calling for Fergies head before he had time time to sort it out.

You have to at some point give a manager a proper chance. Turning in to a plastic club not because of the owners, the manager or the players but because the fans. This constant sniping at every manager when there is a downwards turn in form.

Back the manager. Remind the players it’s not good enough to give a half assed effort.
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Spot on
 

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