England Euro's 24

Our defence is clearly not going to be our strength this tournament. Most can see that.

Personally I'd switch it up, and play a lot more attacking. That's why I want TAA to start. He has the ability to unlock a defence too, which sometimes England look like they struggle with. I'd prefer to start TAA and give him the maximum amount of time to do something, or it'll be the same as the other night - too little too late.
 
I don't get the TAA in midfield stuff. His biggest weakness is his positioning and awareness. They doesn't translate well to being a centre midfielder.
 
Palmer is so overrated. Take away his penalties and no one is raving about him to the extent they are. He's never starting he's on the plane solely for Pens.
 
Yeah, TAA in midfeild is not what I want to see either - I'm interested to see him and Saka working together down the right. Never been a Walker fan, he's just so dumb looking. Yes that's my reason. [not really]
 
Never understood the TAA in midfield stuff either certainly not in a 2.

I think he could benefit from a move playing right side of a 3 in the way De Bruyne is often used by City, that might be his long term position but that requires a switch to 4-3-3 or a diamond in midfield which Southgate is unlikely to do this close to a tournament.

One reason is we don’t really have the number 6 player who can sit in the middle and dictate the way Rodri does at City.

My guess is he’s going to go with Gallagher alongside Rice as his 2 in midfield.
 
IDFD said:
Palmer is so overrated. Take away his penalties and no one is raving about him to the extent they are. He's never starting he's on the plane solely for Pens.
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Really? Yes he scored lots of penalties but overall 26 goals and 15 assists in 49 games in an under performing team is pretty good going.

It’s not just his goals and assists though, I think his overall play is improving all the time.

Not the finished article but don’t think he’s overrated.
 
Hard to argue against his talent, I have to agree. He's going to be quite special I think.

I'd love him to sign for us. Biggest compliment I can give him!
 
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Strong rumours trent will start alongside Rice.

Weird when you have Bellingham, Gallagher, Mainoo amd Wharton, who all play that role.

I know he's got excellent vision and passing, but I still think it's odd. Do we want a load of hollywood balls or do we want to break teams down, with the players we have in attack we should be able to do that
 
I can see why, probably feels against teams who are going to sit back he wants the creativity. I think if you are playing Trent then you need Kane to stay high up as a proper number 9 you can't have him dropping off as well he needs to be the one looking to move in behind.

I personally would go for Gallagher think he did well in the run in with Chelsea after Enzo got injured dropping back into the midfield 2 rather than playing as the number 10. Think he gives you a little bit of everything in the way Henderson did.

I think it's come a little to soon for Mainoo and Wharton and Bellingham is better used further forward.

I think if you are playing TAA then you play him at right back as that's his best position and maybe against weaker sides we don't need that extra security of Walker. I'd be more confident in that move if both Stones and Maguire were fully fit. If Stones isn't quite 100% you probably do need to give him a bit of extra protection.

My big concern currently is the squad looks absolutely stacked with talent but I don't see a team yet, if we're going to go far that needs to slot into place quickly.
 
This guy can't get anywhere near our club. Please.

Trent in midfield? This has disaster written all over it now.

I'm going to change my evaluation of us reaching the semi-finals if this happens.

If he was meant to play midfield, Klopp would have swicthed him. He didn't That's enough confirmation for me.
 
Klopp played him in midfield a few times when they were short in midfield especially against weaker opposition and he did ok.

Southgate has also done it through qualifying so it's not a new idea.

To me if we're playing TAA in midfield we have to switch to 4-3-3 and play Rice as the holding player with Trent and Bellingham either side of him. I think that takes a lot out of Rice's game as I think he's more than just a holding player.

In the group games against teams who are just sitting in and defending it might work but I suspect when it gets to knockout rounds they wouldn't put him in there.

I think the concern is in the group stages I don't expect much going forward from Walker and Trippier as full backs so we may be better off with that extra creative player in there.
 
Mr C said:
in CM?
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Yeah wasn't a huge number of games probably played there 4 or 5 times under Klopp.

Was in 2022/23 rather than 2023/24 as they had a lot of injury problems in midfield that season and were struggling.

I think he could play an attacking midfield role in a 3 man midfield but he needs to learn how to play that position at club level before being asked to do it in international football.

I don't think you can play him right back against sides with a quality left winger as he's to big a defensive liability.
 
I don't think TAA is good enough at any position really. We've taken all those midfielders and are going to pay Trent. Doesnt make sense.

Not good enough at RB either.

edit. But I do like TAA. He could play the Saka role. Rumours Saka is injured, so maybe that's where he'll play
 
jsp said:
Klopp played him in midfield a few times when they were short in midfield especially against weaker opposition and he did ok.
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A few times, because he was forced to, yes.

Proves my point as he didn't put him back there.

Simple isn't it? He's not a midfielder.
 
I think if Saka is injured you play Foden off the right as that's a better position for him and we have strong competition off the left.
 
Jayc1860 said:
A few times, because he was forced to, yes.

Proves my point as he didn't put him back there.

Simple isn't it? He's not a midfielder.
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Wouldn't say it was forced more an experiment that had mixed results.

Well he didn't need to because last summer Liverpool signed 3 centre mids to fix that problem.

I don't think he's a midfielder yet but I think he could move into that position but he needs to learn the role at club level not international level. Given his defensive weaknesses I think it's a position that suits him in the long term.
 
jsp said:
Wouldn't say it was forced more an experiment that had mixed results.

Well he didn't need to because last summer Liverpool signed 3 centre mids to fix that problem.

I don't think he's a midfielder yet but I think he could move into that position but he needs to learn the role at club level not international level. Given his defensive weaknesses I think it's a position that suits him in the long term.
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All you've done is agreed with me. In a roundabout type of way.
 
Jayc1860 said:
All you've done is agreed with me. In a roundabout type of way.
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I don't think we ever disagreed.

I said if it was my pick I'd probably go for Gallagher in midfield but I don't think it's an outrageous shout to give it a go, there isn't an obvious answer to the who plays with Rice question.
 
jsp said:
I don't think we ever disagreed.

I said if it was my pick I'd probably go for Gallagher in midfield but I don't think it's an outrageous shout to give it a go, there isn't an obvious answer to the who plays with Rice question.
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You have to stick with a guy with experience in central midfield at this level, surely? Experience playing the role I mean and for more than 10 games or an experiment.

I don't mind your Gallagher pick, that's fine.

Me personally, I'd use Mainoo just for his ability to keep the ball. He's shown he can do it against top class opposition. I don't expect him to set anything on fire, but if given the right instructions he could do well. It's Southgate that is the problem.

Rice and Mainoo haven't had time to get to know each others stengths, but playing them together all through the group stage may change that.
 
My worry with Mainoo is I think he’s still trying to get to grips with the positioning off the ball and physically I’m not sure how he will handle the games every 3/4 days.

I would probably look to use him as a sub and if he does well then think about moving him into the starting XI if he does well.
 
I think the key to our success is somehow unlocking Foden in an England shirt. I don’t think we’ve seen the best version of Foden in an England shirt yet.

I know Bellingham gets all the headlines but to me Foden is the better player. He does things that are unbelievable and makes them look easy, that isn’t to say Bellingham isn’t brilliant I just think Foden is better.

Problem is we are going to fit him in probably his third strongest position. He’s still a very good left winger but he’s a world class number 10 and right winger.
 
I've watched a bit of them both this season, not much, so I'm no expert, but on this season Bellingham is better for me.
I even think I would drop Foden for the balance of the team. He's never done it for England as you say.
Bellingham does well this tournament he gets the ballon d'or
He is looking tired though
 
I see a lot more of Foden than Bellingham as La Liga isn’t shown here every week.

Bellingham to me just seems to pop up in the right place at the right time and there’s an art to that, Foden’s control of the ball and technique to me is just on another level. It’s like he’s made of rubber sometimes the way he twists and turns and he’s added absolute rocket powered shots off that left peg to his game this year. There are things he can do that I don’t think Bellingham can do.

I don’t think it’s a Foden or Bellingham problem it’s a Foden or Saka problem.

Those 3 are clearly the 3 best players but to me Foden is the best of the 3 but he’s the ones being asked to play his weakest position.

It must be a real headache for Southgate he just needs it to click and work as if he dropped any of them he would basically need to win the tournament to avoid any backlash.
 
Bellingham is way more than a player who pops up in the right place

His control and assist in the CL final for example
 
i think I would go

Pickford

Walker
Stones
Guehi
Trippier

Rice
Gallagher

Foden
Bellingham
Eze

Kane
 
I think I'd still start with Saka right and Foden left but would be willing to swap them around if it isn't really working.

Not sure we're going to get much from Trippier going forward on his weaker side so having a natural left footer that side might work.

Don't want everyone including Kane coming into Bellingham's space we need to try and hold a little bit of width.
 

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